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I think they can easily get Dall’Igna if they put enough money on the table. Which is precisely the one thing KTM is good at..
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I think they can easily get Dall’Igna if they put enough money on the table. Which is precisely the one thing KTM is good at..
Sure. Personally I don't think this is a good ideia for him, throwing away 5+ years of hard work to start all over again in a factory where there is also traditions to follow like the tubular trellis crap frame.
KTM is such a dreamers land where they think all they need is money to make things that no one else got it to work. Much has been said about all their "power" and all that non-sense hype "omg KTM will destroy bla bla" but weekend in weekend out they barely sum a point with that piece of crap that resembles the firsts iterations of the Desmosedici.
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Suzuki in their second year back in the series scored 3 x podiums and a race win... If they didn't drop both of their riders at exactly the same time (ultimate face palm moment) so early in the bikes development phase they would be in an even stronger position than they are now.
KTM's best result after 2 season and a lot more money spent was a one off podium in Valencia, they then have the front to beat their chest, go on record and criticise Ducati (champion ship runner's up) for dropping their steel frame.... KTM have deep pockets but they are all bark and no bite.
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I couldn’t agree more with all of the above
KTM continue to be fairly close to irrelevant in the premier class.
I have always loved the Ducati bikes and they have been my default team to support since they entered the premier class, but it is hard to find words to describe the management of their motogp team over the years. Incompetent and vindictive spring to mind. Domenicali is starting to make the Marlboro man look good. They have parted ways on terms which can hardly be described as good with 3 top 10 all time riders including their best performed rider and only motogp world champion it would appear twice now, were petty much reviled by their great Australian superbike rider who returned to ride to his one-off win only on condition he could bring his superbike crew, sent Marco Melandri to a shrink rather than consider that their bike might be flawed, burned the engineer who somehow designed a bike that won a world title despite being pretty much cobbled together in a shed, now appear to be unhappy with Gigi and he with them, and the list goes on.
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Suzuki possibly is the best team on money efficiency. With a budget around "20 bucks" they managed to build a very competitive package giving Yamaha a run for its money. When I take a look at the Suzuki overall picture and the history of Yamaha success, I get to the conclusion that indeed a bike that turns is the best way to go. Not that it's the only thing needed, in fact a powerful engine makes a lot of difference in the lap time (as long as it efficiently transfer the power to the ground), but with such a friendly machine you can fight for the win with whatever rider you have for. Since there is not much Stoners and Marquezes around there, I think is most intelligent to invest in a Lorenzo-like machine.
Given that, I sincerely do not get the point why Dalligna didn't focus to sort out this issue with all his commitment yet. I agree with him that with Dubioso no team in the world can look for the title, no matter the bike, and I see all his difficulties handling debiloid Domenicali shitting all over the places, but man, since 2003 all their riders complain about the exactly same problem, the bike just can't get around a corner, so WTF.... it's more than clear they need a ....... bike that can turn a ....... corner decently!!!
It’s pretty crazy really when you think about it. Especially when they were struggling to get a podium. Now I think Gigi May be stuck between a rock and a hard place though. If he can get the bike to turn better then it will lose something either in the acceleration or braking. That is what has made the Ducati so hard to race against for the other manufacturers. It’s their strong points which have caused Marquez, Rins and others to make mistakes when racing the Ducati. If they lose a little in their strong points but gain in the cornering I’m not sure that Petrucci and Dovi get the same results that they’ve had over the past few years.
Absolutely. I am hardly the biggest Rossi fan on here, but if you could ride the 2007 Ducati as the bike wanted to be ridden as Stoner put it and managed to do, then no-one could defeat that bike on a 2007 Yamaha, even Valentino Rossi who didn't fail to win the title that year because of deficiencies in his riding.
I would have thought Gigi's current frustration may at least partly relate to the fact that he got to a stage where a decidedly non Marquez or Stoner-like rider in Jorge dominated a few races on a Ducati which allowed him to employ his "butter hammer" mode fairly full-on, but he is gone and the bike seems to have gone away with him.
Not necessarily, not all this way. A shorter bike has the ability to change direction faster, but it doesn't mean it has a good contact patch in the middle of the curve, and that is exactly the problem of the Ducati.
They don't need necessarily a shorter bike, as long as I could get they need a lower bike with lower center of mass (which will cause other problems) or more mass concentrated in the front (which is difficult given the currently layout of their engine). Either way, no easy life and obviously will disrupt their stable base.
Completely agree. Possibly Dovi isn't considering the drawbacks of losing some of this strong points in order to turn better. He will need to change his style and I highly doubt he will get to it.
The best way is to convince and wait Jorge to jump back in their bike and thus commit the changes to make it turn better.
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I think the Ducati is still a strong bike, its 2 and 3 in the championship also scoring podiums with its satellite team. I think the Honda's got a little stronger this season which closed the performance gap between them, add Marc into the equation and they cant stop him.
I don't think the current Ducati would have any problems winning the championship with Marquez piloting it.
Personally I think Marc would win the championship on all the bikes, except the KTM which he would still win races on.
However you are right about the Ducati, it's just that Dovi and Petrux haven't got a championship in them on speed alone. Jorge would likely be nipping at Marc's heels and winning with fair consistency if he were still on a red machine. Problem is Marc doesn't cross the line off the podium these days and that level of podium frequency can't be beaten.
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I dunno . . . I think with a better turning bike Dovi would have had a very good chance in the last two seasons.
I can't see any evidence that Lorenzo would be more likely to win a championship against Marquez, while riding the Ducati. Nothing about his results over the course of two seasons points to that conclusion. Dovi (who is a year older and less fussy about the small stuff) won more races on the Ducati.
I reckon people assume that Lorenzo would have eventually out perform Dovi - simply because he won two championships, but those two were when he was much younger on a bike that a perfect match for his style of riding.
It's like they say about buying stocks on Wall Street: "Past results are not indicative of future performance."
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Lorenzo dominated the field on multiple occasions last year. He was well on track to totally show up Dovi, ran out of time. He made the duc look like it is the bike it's capable of, Dovi can't do that. Lorenzo 2019 on the red, is likely a championship contender.
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Frankly - I don't see how Lorenzo can be said to have surpassed Dovi on the Ducati. Remember, who it was that was lead rider during the worst of the fallow years at Ducati (after Rossi ...... off) working with Gigi to turn the bike around. Lorenzo (and other Duc riders as well) benefitted greatly from all the testing and feedback from Dovi that made the bike as capable as it is now.
The only problem with Dovi being responsible for improving the bike is that this would not seem to be the view of Gigi himself.
There seem to be two ways of beating MM, those being to have a significantly superior bike or to have him not accept that he can’t dominate every race and repeatedly throw his bike down the road. He seems to have rejected the second option now.
Dovi raced MM admirably, and kept his cool/kept his powder dry better than anyone else would have done in those several last corner battles he won. I think this was partly by exploiting deficiencies in the Honda which have now improved (in MM’s hands at least) on this year’s bike and MM no longer being an all or nothing guy in the last corner of a race.
Jorge showed absolutely dominant pace in those 3 races he won which it was hard to see even MM doing anything about by trying harder, pace Dovi has never shown, and he did this as a renowned corner speed rider rather than by the MM or Stoner methods. I saw some prospect of him being able to continue along those lines if he was the focus of the team, and reading between the lines Gigi seems to have thought along those lines as well, or at least that a team focused on Dovi as the number 1 rider is not the way to win a championship; Dovi being imo a career gallant runner up, canny racer/tactician when circumstances allow though he may be.
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I wouldn't say Jorge surpassed Dovi at Ducati but when Jorge was having a good weekend on the Ducati and had it dialled in he did seem to be able to dominate the race more so than Dovi could. Maybe Ducati see Jorges potential in that aspect and think he could better take the fight to Marc than Dovi could??
If you put Dovi and Petrucci on the Honda I don't think they would be able to beat Marc but if you put Marc on the Ducati I feel he could beat both of them... Ducati's battle is not with Honda but with Marc (Jorge shows that), the Ducati would have to be an unbelievably better bike than whatever Marc is riding to even give them a chance of winning a title against him. With control tyres, standardised electronics and software the performance gap between different bikes is getting smaller and harder to achieve (wings, wheel covers, brake diffusers, holeshot devices still isn't enough) the chances of them being able to build a bike thats head and shoulders above whatever Marc is riding is slim to none.
If Ducati want a championship they need a rider of Marc's calibre which I don't think there currently is in the MotoGP field...Maybe they think Jorge has a better chance of being able to do that than Dovi or Petrux. I think their best chance of clinching a championship would be to approach Marc with an open chequebook.
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