..... sake guys. It's tiresome...
Enjoy your sniping and bringing everything down to the same old ..... Have fun pissing each other off. I'm going to just watch the racing, the warm ups, the practices, every snippet I can find. I'm going to read stuff, no doubt on the internet, but I won't be reading pages and pages of bickering.
Great, thanks, I’m sure there won’t be any more bickering or inflammatory things said…
I was going to reply to this, clicked like by mistake, clicked unlike, typed a response, deleted it. I despair at fuckwits like you, I really do. What a ....... low, inflammatory thing to say. ,
I thought it was great that the others that just want to piss other people off and have childish arguments had gone off elsewhere to do it.
The forum is truly a fascinating human social experiment. Furiosa, here me out, I’m responding to you because if this part you said: “What a ....... low, inflammatory thing to say.” and “I thought it was great that…’childish arguments’ had gone off elsewhere…” I assume you are talking about the flame war Kesh has been conducting against me lately, ironically over me telling Kesh to stop flame warring with Synn and Albert Tetlock (who left over ‘bickering’ as you lament above). You have described the bickering as “childish” as if there isn’t a right and wrong side, just two people “feuding”, right? Except…what is this here? Oh, I’m sure we can all rationalize why this is “different” and why its ok in this instance to use inflammatory language, the logic seems to boil down to: if ‘I’ say it, its not inflammatory, if I bicker, its not bickering, its okay, etc. and so forth. There is actually a name for this ‘double standard’ but I won’t use the H word because its just too inflammatory, but I bet you’re now thinking of it and its raised your blood pressure. But here me out if you may.
Here is another thing I find fascinating, you skipped/ignored completely one inflammatory post to target another one. Sorry Pyeman, but I have to point out your post here (I’m not attacking either Furiosa or you, but I am making a point about the interesting dynamic of this forum).
Furiosa, you stepped over this post here, after you clicked the “like” button no less:
As i've said here before i don't want to see any rider get injured, but a nice little low speed front tuck on the grass again would be good...
Furiosa, You don’t think this might be “inflammatory” to a Rossi fan? I don’t like Rossi much myself, but you don’t think expressing a desire for a crash might be fodder Vudu, Danski, Synn, or other Rossi fans? But you “liked’ this post, then as you stepped over it you went right after Vudu’s predictable reaction and added something rather inflammatory to him
”I despair at fuckwits like you[Vudu]”, I really do.
What a ....... low, inflammatory thing to say.
Fascinating, especially when you add in Theo’s indignation
What a load of bollox, people know it happens, but we don't go to see them die.
Keep in mind, Theo expressed a desire that Rossi had died instead of Simonchelli. (A post that wasn’t chastised with the same harsh language that Furiosa, Pyeman, or any other people chiming in over the this bickering here). But let me point out something else that is fascinating, this kind of dynamic then gives license for others to chime in with “inflammatory” language…
Another mind reader.
The rest are
ludicrous straw man ........ from someone who has twisted...
Hamburger anyone?
Furiosa, keep in mind, Kesh actually mocked me when I pointed out Theo wishing death on Rossi. Interestingly, the level of hostile reaction to Vudu’s protest over anyone wishing ‘his’ favorite rider crash out hasn’t reached the level of hostile reaction against what Kesh has been doing, or what Theo said. Why? (It’s a rhetorical question).
Furiosa , do you feel I’m attacking you or Pyeman? I’ll know soon enough from your reaction to my post. Here is why I’m taking the time to detail my response to you (and Pyeman below). You reacted hostilely to Vudu over his theory that people watch the TT as a blood sport, that is, your reaction expressed anger at him making a theory about something you hold dear. Vudu is a “.......” according to you. Not much different than what Kesh has been doing with me, is it. Albeit, relentlessly and disconnected from any logic or self-control. But you haven’t taken the time to see there is an identifiable ‘right and wrong’ to our conflict, but rather its just “childish bickering” to you, both sides equally.
You have done the forum a disservice by characterizing it this way, as it gives license to the perpetrator for the bickering to go on. It seemed great when Kesh was chasing Synn around, after all he is about as popular as Vudu. When I called out Kesh for klogging the threads, there wasn’t a senior member to call him to stop “bickering” and klogging up threads despite him being the senior member. Now this thread has been derailed, and I’d like to point out, before my post here, so you can’t actually blame me. ‘We get the forum we deserve.’
What a ....... .... you are,i went every year because … not seeing people die,you are a complete .... and a disgrace to this forum and this is the last time i will reply to the utter .... you speak
Pyeman, I don’t think it was unpredictable that a Rossi fan would react to you in this way, given that you wished VR ‘harmlessly crash’ (harmless or not, its inflammatory and you should have expected a reaction. There is you and I are sitting as friends talking .... at the bar saying .... Rossi, but when you post it here, well its fair game.) Its not really a debate about the TT, rather it’s a reaction by a Rossi fan who adversely reacted to you expressing his guy crash out. I shouldn’t have to feel sorry to point this out actually, but I’ll say sorry Pyeman to point this out, I’m not attacking you, but rather the predictable reaction was, well predictable, as it should be; imagine say Vudu posting he hopes ‘Marc crashes out’. I could see it now, the entire forum might ‘crash’ from the hostile replies to Vudu (sorry about the pun, I’ll get my coat).
We get the forum we deserve. We may likely be pointing out the boos on this very thread if Marc is on the podium (or cheers if he crashes out at Jerez, or anywhere else for that matter). Its not enough to say “stop the bickering”, equating it to a “feud” with no right or wrong, take the time to see if there really is a right and wrong. Much like Oxley trying to distance himself from the adverse reactions to Marc on the podium, as he if wasn’t partly responsible for creating this dynamic. Spade a spade. Kesh has relentlessly been klogging up the thread, even trolling his own non-trolling thread. The only guy to call him out up until that moment (before I did in the Qatar thread) was Albert Tatlock. He is now gone, perhaps realizing this forum is burned, or as Furiosa says “sucked all the fun out”. Kesh of course was encouraged by a few members, particularly Barry Machine. Then three more members chimed in asking Kesh to stop klogging threads, Danski, Barbwireriderr, and me, immediately Kesh reacted negatively. Granted, Kesh then conducted two flame wars simultaneously.
I don’t see a reason to stop point this out, as when I read a reference to Kesh attacking others being characterized in ‘general’ terms as “bickering” and “feud” I feel compelled to point out the disservice this has on the forum at best, the double standard at worst.
