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#22 · May 1, 2018

Barbedwirebikerr said:
If Lorenzo rides around mid to back of field, Ducati ought to bring out the tricycle pitboard. Aimed at him.

:lol:

JPSLotus · May 1, 2018

danski said:
Rossi shot himself in the foot massively when he went to Ducati, if he'd stayed with Yamaha his stats would be much different.

No they wouldn't. Stoner romped his way to the title in 2011.

Lorenzo would have wiped the floor with him in 2012.

povol · May 1, 2018

JPSLotus said:
No they wouldn't. Stoner romped his way to the title in 2011.

Lorenzo would have wiped the floor with him in 2012.

Would have to agree. Stoners 2011 and Lorenzo’s 2012 were two of the better seasons in memory. Rossi may have won a couple of races here and there but nothing that would dramatically change his numbers .

Little Walter · May 1, 2018

JPSLotus said:
Hard to say his advantage over the satellite Yamaha bikes since it's likely they've been hamstrung now that the announcement of jumping ship to KTM has happened. I wouldn't expect too much support anymore from the factory. Not that they ever gave a lot, but there's little incentive now.

Rossi was last truly competitive at 30 years old when he won his final title, and I would add it's dubious given he had a year advantage on the Bridgestones and an ill Casey Stoner MIA. Lorenzo hadn't fully come to terms with the tires either.

Since the age of 30 his results in terms of race wins has dwindled with the exception of 2015, and I always chalked that up to MM crashing out of too many races. But we know he choked when it mattered most.

As it's early in the season, can we consider the equation in terms of last season when there was no intimation of Tech 3 parting ways with Yamaha? I ask because with a complete season to give a bigger picture, it's a more representative sampling of results. Certainly he didn't blow the field away but still, not bad for a guy much older than his competition. Would you go that far? This is not a trick question.

JPSLotus · May 1, 2018

Little Walter said:
As it's early in the season, can we consider the equation in terms of last season when there was no intimation of Tech 3 parting ways with Yamaha? I ask because with a complete season to give a bigger picture, it's a more representative sampling of results. Certainly he didn't blow the field away but still, not bad for a guy much older than his competition. Would you go that far? This is not a trick question.

I wouldn't go that far because of the 1:4 factor of being on a Honda or Yamaha. Maybe make it 1:5 because of Dovi. But prior to last year, being on the RCV or M1 automatically guaranteed a 25% chance of winning a race before the red lights went out. Might be 20% now. Miller and Crutchlow were exceptions to the rule. But Crutchlow only won in Argentina this year because of all the craziness with MM, he sure as hell didn't have the speed MM had. Circling back to Tech 3 versus the factory M1's, you're looking at a several tenths advantage from what it looks like now. Zarco was nowhere to be found at COTA relative to the factory Yamaha bikes. The M1 with Rossi on it is being held back because he is old. People need to stop being so taken with him competing at the age he is at and realize he is hogging a spot that should have gone to a faster rider (Zarco) but didn't because he can't give up his quest for his precious 10th title that is not ever coming...and because marketing.

povol · May 1, 2018

danski said:
Testing at tracks yet to be raced on is a joke!
Hopefully the conditions will be completely different and we get a decent race.
Would love to see VR46 own MM93 on the last corner:ninja:

Yamaha had the same option and chose a different schedule, what’s the problem.

michaelm · May 1, 2018

Little Walter said:
As it's early in the season, can we consider the equation in terms of last season when there was no intimation of Tech 3 parting ways with Yamaha? I ask because with a complete season to give a bigger picture, it's a more representative sampling of results. Certainly he didn't blow the field away but still, not bad for a guy much older than his competition. Would you go that far? This is not a trick question.

If Vinales dominates him this year as he looked like doing before the tire change last year then there is an answer.

There is no indication the bike has been developed away from/doesn't suit Vinales this year thus far though, so if he is competitive on the same bike with Vinales, a guy who won a moto gp race on a Suzuki and was competitive with MM early season last year that is evidence he is still pretty good. He also won some dry races in 2015, not just wet ones, and won a race after the leg fracture in 2010, so I wouldn't say he was uncompetitive in those years.

Jumkie · May 1, 2018

Barbedwirebikerr said:
If Lorenzo rides around mid to back of field, Ducati ought to bring out the tricycle pitboard. Aimed at him.

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Barbedwirebikerr · May 1, 2018

Jumkie said:
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Love it.

I wanted to do something like that, but am not proficient in photoshop.

BarryMachine · May 1, 2018

Jerez turn 1 should have a billboard to commemorate the greatest ever saying in gp.

danski · May 2, 2018

povol said:
Yamaha had the same option and chose a different schedule, what’s the problem.

Because it gives an advantage that detracts from the racing.
Look at Le Man's last year, Rossi v Viñales and nobody else in sight.

michaelm · May 2, 2018

BarryMachine said:
Jerez turn 1 should have a billboard to commemorate the greatest ever saying in gp.

I think Rossi said to him previously, perhaps in his rookie year, so it was a return of serve.

BarryMachine · May 2, 2018

michaelm said:
I think Rossi said to him previously, perhaps in his rookie year, so it was a return of serve.

Havent heard that before! Where are you getting that from? Even more apt if so

danski · May 2, 2018

michaelm said:
I think Rossi said to him previously, perhaps in his rookie year, so it was a return of serve.

To be fair you also remembered Rossi breaking someone's leg lol.

michaelm · May 2, 2018

danski said:
To be fair you also remembered Rossi breaking someone's leg lol.

I still think someone did break their leg as a result of a racing incident with Rossi fairly early in his career.

danski · May 2, 2018

michaelm said:
I still think someone did break their leg as a result of a racing incident with Rossi fairly early in his career.

It's no good just thinking it, we need irrefutable proof!

#22 · May 2, 2018

povol said:
Yamaha had the same option and chose a different schedule, what’s the problem.

I thought testing at circuits yet to be raced at was banned now?

Theo · May 2, 2018

povol said:
Would have to agree. Stoners 2011 and Lorenzo’s 2012 were two of the better seasons in memory. Rossi may have won a couple of races here and there but nothing that would dramatically change his numbers .

I thought he only won 1 race for Ducati?

Theo · May 2, 2018

michaelm said:
I still think someone did break their leg as a result of a racing incident with Rossi fairly early in his career.

Didn't he break Melandri's ankle at the Japanese GP?

Jumkie · May 2, 2018

Theo said:
I thought he only won 1 race for Ducati?

He only won none race for Ducati.

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