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2017 Gran Premio Red Bull de España

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If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
You seem to be bringing this to discussion often despite being provided the proof
The crash in Argentina happened on Lap 20.
Here are the sector times in the last sector of L19 and L20
#46 #93
L19 sector4 22.793 22.584
L20 sector1 28.596 28.445
L20 sector2 24.344 24.321
L20 sector3 25.435 25.234

The only riders who were faster than Rossi around the same time (Laps 17-20) were Cal, Zarco and MM (Rins had same speed).
So, please stop this goebbelsian propaganda.

Sure, he was a second a lap faster, and had caught up 4 seconds (EDIT 9 seconds actually, whilst overtaking other riders the whole time, while Rossi had been in 6th position for 5 laps and in 7th for 4 laps prior to that) rather than being 4 seconds a lap faster.

A second a lap faster and catching up 9 seconds is quite a lot in motogp though, suggesting Rossi had no chance of staying in front of him, and also should have been aware from his pitboard, dash messages or whatever that MM was closing on him fairly quickly.

Does this mean Rossi should have conceded the corner to MM?. Not imo, but this is being argued by some in regard to Lorenzo who had kept Dovi and Dani behind him for a number of laps in the reverse circumstance, and the inconsistency in the attitudes of many and from RD in particular is what is being argued.
 
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Racing is about overtaking on the corners. Its ...... when it goes wrong. But you accept that its going to get tight on the corners. Gee dont ever race mx where you have say 30 guys lined up ..... and the first corner is yours. I can remember that to me it was safer to get to the corner first than wait ..... which if you did you were caught up on the melee and much of the control over your own destiny was hindered. Getting out in front of a pack always feels a relief .... not just because you have gained places ..... but its the remedy for the stressy position you are on whilst dicing with another/other riders.

.... happens.

But what shouldnt happen is what rossi did at Argy. Where he deliberately turned into the back of MM and tried to make it hard for MM to turn in. Its malicious and riders who do this should be banned. Luckily he got his comeupance ...... which again he tried to use to his advantage.

None of the jerez crash looked malicious. Overzealous yes .... on all riders behalf. But not deliberate and malicious such as rossi planned.
 
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Enjoying a nice vacation. Watched the race, didn’t bother checking the cesspool forum.

Looks like Rajesh Kurryfart and the rest of the virgin mouthbreather gang successfully managed to bleed through their rags and cry about Rossi without me “Provoking them”.

Lol. Never change, MotoGPforum!
 
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J.Lo wants Iannone’s ride so bad, he’s willing to show how much better he is than the maniac by torpedoing not just Dovi, but Pedrobot as well!
 
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J.Lo wants Iannone’s ride so bad, he’s willing to show how much better he is than the maniac by torpedoing not just Dovi, but Pedrobot as well!


LOL that's a good one, I have to admit it.

And it's also kinda true :D
 
Enjoying a nice vacation. Watched the race, didn’t bother checking the cesspool forum.

Looks like Rajesh Kurryfart and the rest of the virgin mouthbreather gang successfully managed to bleed through their rags and cry about Rossi without me “Provoking them”.

Lol. Never change, MotoGPforum!

Your idea of a vacation is to post on a forum you hate? :rolleyes:
 
So according your logic Rossi owned Biaggi, Barros, Criville, Capirossi, Abe most 10-15 years older at the time and many others in the early 2000's when he won 30 of 45 races. The more you post the more you make yourself look like racist ......
I don't think you know what that word means.
You are delusional and make me laugh. I want the stuff your smoking. .......
You are going to think that I am really delusional, because quite often I rate Marquez, Stoner, and Doohan as better riders than Rossi. Other times I included even MORE 500 champs. But, you go on with your bad self. Some of the most daring passes I have ever seen were by Rossi. I admire the guy and he is still better than EDIT: maybe two-thirds of the field. The trouble is that EDIT: maybe a third of the field is now better than him. There is no way the Yamaha is that bad. I am not a MV fan, by the way.
 
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I don't think you know what that word means.

You are going to think that I am really delusional, because quite often I rate Marquez, Stoner, and Doohan as better riders than Rossi. Other times I included even MORE 500 champs. But, you go on with your bad self. Some of the most daring passes I have ever seen were by Rossi. I admire the guy and he is still better than maybe half the field. The trouble is that the other half is now better than him. There is no way the Yamaha is that bad. I am not a MV fan, by the way.
Yes, he was possibly the best ever at stalking/setting up a rider for a pass.

He seems to have transferred those talents into setting up other riders when they are passing him.
 
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I don't think you know what that word means.

You are going to think that I am really delusional, because quite often I rate Marquez, Stoner, and Doohan as better riders than Rossi. Other times I included even MORE 500 champs. But, you go on with your bad self. Some of the most daring passes I have ever seen were by Rossi. I admire the guy and he is still better than EDIT: maybe two-thirds of the field. The trouble is that EDIT: maybe a third of the field is now better than him. There is no way the Yamaha is that bad. I am not a MV fan, by the way.

Oh yes it is, Rossi and Viñales didn't just wake up one morning and lose their ability to ride. They are both singing the same song about the limitations of the bike and what they need.
If Yamaha pull their collective finger out and get a pro in who can decipher the black box we will have two more competitors.
 
Even though everyone says no one was at fault, I think Dovizioso was. He set off the entire chain of events with his attempt at standing on the brakes as late as he could and forcing both bikes off line. Pedrosa found himself in the wrong spot at the wrong time unfortunately while being on the racing line and unable to see anything as he was fully leaned over. Mind you there was nothing malicious in the entire event, but it all started with Dovizioso's ambition outweighing his talent under braking. He was desperate to get past Lorenzo...too desperate I think.

Disagree. Dovizioso pulled it off perfectly. Lorenzo having been passed panicked and tried to regain position without calculating Pedrosa's trajectory. He had good pace and should have waited until the next turn to repass. There were sufficient laps remaining, if that is, there was anything left of that front Michelin. I wouldn't go so far as to vilify Little Georgie, but he did .... up. You could only say Dovi's ambition outweighed his talent if he had failed to make it stick.
 
Disagree. Dovizioso pulled it off perfectly. Lorenzo having been passed panicked and tried to regain position without calculating Pedrosa's trajectory. He had good pace and should have waited until the next turn to repass. There were sufficient laps remaining, if that is, there was anything left of that front Michelin. I wouldn't go so far as to vilify Little Georgie, but he did .... up. You could only say Dovi's ambition outweighed his talent if he had failed to make it stick.

Going to disagree. Dovizioso ran wide because he outbraked himself, Lorenzo took the right line (based on being pushed wider than would have been normal) to repass only he wasn't paying attention for Pedrosa. Either way if Dovi doesn't miss the corner that badly Lorenzo isn't forced wider than he would have been. Lorenzo was still ahead of Dovizioso no matter what. Dovi was too desperate and it cost him and everyone else. Chain reaction.
 
Going to disagree. Dovizioso ran wide because he outbraked himself, Lorenzo took the right line (based on being pushed wider than would have been normal) to repass only he wasn't paying attention for Pedrosa. Either way if Dovi doesn't miss the corner that badly Lorenzo isn't forced wider than he would have been. Lorenzo was still ahead of Dovizioso no matter what. Dovi was too desperate and it cost him and everyone else. Chain reaction.

JLo did not "take the right line to repass". He cut back extremely sharply and that was the reason he contacted Dani. A little less panic and aggression and he would have had Dovi comfortably behind him and been sitting in Dani's pocket for the next pass.
 
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Going to disagree. Dovizioso ran wide because he outbraked himself, Lorenzo took the right line (based on being pushed wider than would have been normal) to repass only he wasn't paying attention for Pedrosa. Either way if Dovi doesn't miss the corner that badly Lorenzo isn't forced wider than he would have been. Lorenzo was still ahead of Dovizioso no matter what. Dovi was too desperate and it cost him and everyone else. Chain reaction.

True Dovi ran wide, but he was leading at the moment of impact. Kindly explain how Dovi being in no way obstructing Lorenzo's trajectory forced him to do anything at all. Lorenzo's trajectory would have been perfection if Pedrosa hadn't t boned him. If anyone's ambition was supersized that day, it was Pedrosa. It was a Mallorcan Monkey .....
 

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Oh yes it is, Rossi and Viñales didn't just wake up one morning and lose their ability to ride. They are both singing the same song about the limitations of the bike and what they need.
If Yamaha pull their collective finger out and get a pro in who can decipher the black box we will have two more competitors.

One morning!!! Well informed posters have been identifying the fact that rossi is sucking on the Yam since Jorge left.
 
JLo did not "take the right line to repass". He cut back extremely sharply and that was the reason he contacted Dani. A little less panic and aggression and he would have had Dovi comfortably behind him and been sitting in Dani's pocket for the next pass.

Going to disagree Mick, he was aiming for a late apex corner exit and he didn't cut back extremely sharply as far as I am concerned after watching the video maybe 30-40 times. There was enough time to hit the late apex. He lost too much speed from the Dovi move so when he moved back to get on the racing line, Pedrosa was already there.
 

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