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Sure, he was a second a lap faster, and had caught up 4 seconds (EDIT 9 seconds actually, whilst overtaking other riders the whole time, while Rossi had been in 6th position for 5 laps and in 7th for 4 laps prior to that) rather than being 4 seconds a lap faster.
A second a lap faster and catching up 9 seconds is quite a lot in motogp though, suggesting Rossi had no chance of staying in front of him, and also should have been aware from his pitboard, dash messages or whatever that MM was closing on him fairly quickly.
Does this mean Rossi should have conceded the corner to MM?. Not imo, but this is being argued by some in regard to Lorenzo who had kept Dovi and Dani behind him for a number of laps in the reverse circumstance, and the inconsistency in the attitudes of many and from RD in particular is what is being argued.
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Racing is about overtaking on the corners. Its ...... when it goes wrong. But you accept that its going to get tight on the corners. Gee dont ever race mx where you have say 30 guys lined up ..... and the first corner is yours. I can remember that to me it was safer to get to the corner first than wait ..... which if you did you were caught up on the melee and much of the control over your own destiny was hindered. Getting out in front of a pack always feels a relief .... not just because you have gained places ..... but its the remedy for the stressy position you are on whilst dicing with another/other riders.
.... happens.
But what shouldnt happen is what rossi did at Argy. Where he deliberately turned into the back of MM and tried to make it hard for MM to turn in. Its malicious and riders who do this should be banned. Luckily he got his comeupance ...... which again he tried to use to his advantage.
None of the jerez crash looked malicious. Overzealous yes .... on all riders behalf. But not deliberate and malicious such as rossi planned.
.... happens.
But what shouldnt happen is what rossi did at Argy. Where he deliberately turned into the back of MM and tried to make it hard for MM to turn in. Its malicious and riders who do this should be banned. Luckily he got his comeupance ...... which again he tried to use to his advantage.
None of the jerez crash looked malicious. Overzealous yes .... on all riders behalf. But not deliberate and malicious such as rossi planned.
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Enjoying a nice vacation. Watched the race, didn’t bother checking the cesspool forum.
Looks like Rajesh Kurryfart and the rest of the virgin mouthbreather gang successfully managed to bleed through their rags and cry about Rossi without me “Provoking them”.
Lol. Never change, MotoGPforum!
Looks like Rajesh Kurryfart and the rest of the virgin mouthbreather gang successfully managed to bleed through their rags and cry about Rossi without me “Provoking them”.
Lol. Never change, MotoGPforum!
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J.Lo wants Iannone’s ride so bad, he’s willing to show how much better he is than the maniac by torpedoing not just Dovi, but Pedrobot as well!
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I don't think you know what that word means.
You are going to think that I am really delusional, because quite often I rate Marquez, Stoner, and Doohan as better riders than Rossi. Other times I included even MORE 500 champs. But, you go on with your bad self. Some of the most daring passes I have ever seen were by Rossi. I admire the guy and he is still better than EDIT: maybe two-thirds of the field. The trouble is that EDIT: maybe a third of the field is now better than him. There is no way the Yamaha is that bad. I am not a MV fan, by the way.
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Yes, he was possibly the best ever at stalking/setting up a rider for a pass.
He seems to have transferred those talents into setting up other riders when they are passing him.
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Oh yes it is, Rossi and Viñales didn't just wake up one morning and lose their ability to ride. They are both singing the same song about the limitations of the bike and what they need.
If Yamaha pull their collective finger out and get a pro in who can decipher the black box we will have two more competitors.
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Disagree. Dovizioso pulled it off perfectly. Lorenzo having been passed panicked and tried to regain position without calculating Pedrosa's trajectory. He had good pace and should have waited until the next turn to repass. There were sufficient laps remaining, if that is, there was anything left of that front Michelin. I wouldn't go so far as to vilify Little Georgie, but he did .... up. You could only say Dovi's ambition outweighed his talent if he had failed to make it stick.
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Going to disagree. Dovizioso ran wide because he outbraked himself, Lorenzo took the right line (based on being pushed wider than would have been normal) to repass only he wasn't paying attention for Pedrosa. Either way if Dovi doesn't miss the corner that badly Lorenzo isn't forced wider than he would have been. Lorenzo was still ahead of Dovizioso no matter what. Dovi was too desperate and it cost him and everyone else. Chain reaction.
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Dovi said he was so angry he didn't realise that he was trying to start the wrong bike!
Would have been a pisser if he'd got it going.
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JLo did not "take the right line to repass". He cut back extremely sharply and that was the reason he contacted Dani. A little less panic and aggression and he would have had Dovi comfortably behind him and been sitting in Dani's pocket for the next pass.
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True Dovi ran wide, but he was leading at the moment of impact. Kindly explain how Dovi being in no way obstructing Lorenzo's trajectory forced him to do anything at all. Lorenzo's trajectory would have been perfection if Pedrosa hadn't t boned him. If anyone's ambition was supersized that day, it was Pedrosa. It was a Mallorcan Monkey .....
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One morning!!! Well informed posters have been identifying the fact that rossi is sucking on the Yam since Jorge left.
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Would have been a pisser if he'd got it going.
Wonder what the rules are lol
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Going to disagree Mick, he was aiming for a late apex corner exit and he didn't cut back extremely sharply as far as I am concerned after watching the video maybe 30-40 times. There was enough time to hit the late apex. He lost too much speed from the Dovi move so when he moved back to get on the racing line, Pedrosa was already there.
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Would have been a pisser if he'd got it going.
Hes going to laugh about that one day.
