Joined Jun 2007
10K Posts | 1K+
Norah Head
One has to wonder how the Duc. would now go with Stoner on it. If we could somehow get a comparo, by Stoner , between the new and old Duc.s ...... it would be so valuable.
Yep still can't get enough weight on the front and rossi has said he is still to far back on the bike, but it's what they have so they're going to start working it. I expect another crap season for him and Nicky. He also said Nicky is now the reference point, no more worrying about reducing the gap to the front but just catching your teammate. As the parts start to trickle down to the sat teams we may see Duc in for a seriously bad season.
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
As usual, your comprehension skills and your zeal to retort have failed you again. Its to early to blame alchohol, so it must be something else. I will get you a crayon, Stoner likes code 24
Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
U understood u ....... ...... So are u also going to claim Dorna is in a fix to sabotage Casey as Mental suggested? Yes, Stoner likes the 'code 24' (hardly a memerable name). As u walk with his .... in ur hand im sure both of u agree the tire conspiracy. Loris was hired to screw Casey and help Rossi right?
How u show up to post after infamously predicting the sky was falling and CRTs would not match a"prototype", even a toothless spineless "boycott"; yet today we see a CRT faster than not one but two beloved "prototypes" is hilarious. And pathetic. Ur racing predictions amounted to .... as are most of ur opinions.
I'm with you on this Hawk, I am. Like I said, not singling you out in particular, just pointing out the differences of opinion regarding when one's time is up and space should be made for a "more deserving" rider. Take care.
Joined Jun 2006
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south wales UK
i agree..... and until yesterday i didnt realise how wide the gap is between the cylinders, how the hell do they make it fit??? with a V that wide they can rotate that motor as much as they like.
the motor just looks to long to me the other manufacterers have short taller motors, any rider that likes to load the front will never ride the ducati properly.
Joined Jun 2006
2K Posts | 20+
south wales UK
he could ride it fine he has the ability to steer with the rear... they way that bike works..... like i said any rider that likes to load the front will not be able to ride that bike on the limit without loosing the front
Joined Jun 2006
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south wales UK
i guess my ideas are different to yours lol
i thought they wanted the engine more near the back? well that the way they have rotated it.
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
Nope, just pointing out that you were wrong as usual. Go have a drink, your getting agitated
Joined Jul 2006
11K Posts | 291+
Texas
The code 24 (or its equivalent) went missing in 2008. That's why Ducati redesigned their championship winning machine, and it's how the Yamaha collective were able to beat Ducati in 2008. Every Bridgestone running manufacturer has withdrawn since the inception of the control tire, except Ducati. Ducati simply suck. Stoner is in the Honda camp. Even if he doesn't get his way, he is relatively immune from shenanigans.
Aprilia has to be using this season to monitor whether they should start an 'official' MotoGP backed effort based on the results Aspar's team gets. Everyone suspects their bike is as closed to prototype as you can get. The test times at the moment pretty much put them on par with the satellite Ducs.
With the front cylinder bank lifted up they can bring the engine closer to the front tire, think about how if they kept rotating it, to actually be like the letter L, how much space would be left in the front. Rotate back and then push it forward with the new space created. The weight of the engine is still to spread out though, how many times have we heard mass centralization from the Japanese. Look at the pictures of the Ducati bikes, the rear wheels are brought forward as much as possible, the bike is still to long and so shifting the weight takes longer and only so much of the weight will be usable. Think of the bike as a see saw.
Look at the rear axle, the wheel is all the way forward, a shorter bike is more agile than a longer bike but a bit less stable. The engine position also hurts the swingarm length you want a long swingarm for more suspension travel but the length has to fit into an over all shorter wheel base, you have to move the engine forward to make the swingarm longer while still maintaining a short wheel base. If they would simply reduce the V angle, like every other modern race bike, they could move more weight forward and get the longer swing arm while mainting a short and agile wheel base at the same time.
They removed rules to add CRTs. Then they added new rules like the 81mm bore to make sure the CRT performance would be controlled, though the 81mm bore limit doesn't actually affect CRT performance ATM.
Reality sucks. CRTs show how badly the MSMA slow down the factory bikes with fuel restriction, and how hard they have worked to eliminate competition with the rulebook. Why blame the CRTs for corrupting the sport? Yeah MotoGP is ugly since the CRTs showed up. It was ugly long before that, but people just looked the other way.
The bigger grid is nice and as the season goes along we should have more to talk about. The bottom line for all the CRT detractors is that the CRT bikes cost around 1.2 million as opposed to 2-2.5 million(not exact those figures) It's simply about the money and the MSMA is now in talks of reducing the lease prices. If anything why lease a bike for double the price of the CRT that has proven it will compete with the customer bikes. I know the rules had to be changed for that to happen but the sport is hurting and the CRTs have proven to be able to draw in more sponsors and bring more attention from the fans. How does the saying go "there is no such thing as negative publicity" we're talking about GP so it's working in GPs favor.
Joined Jun 2007
10K Posts | 1K+
Norah Head
Its all in the VSG's.
I suspect it is a whole lot better than it was, thats why I'd like to see Stoner ride it. Its also why we see Hayden going better.
But its still a very wrong bike for Rossi. He does not have the "repertoire" for a Ducati. The guy has absolutely no idea of how to load the front by unloading rear grip. That video of him having a go on a speedway bike shows how lacking Rossi's skills are in this department.
Hayden has done a tiny trial of speedway, and seemed to understand the concept in an introductory way.
Stoner was born and bred on the concept.
Rossi needs a Yamaha, or other inline 4.
I now think it is a damn shame he didn't work out some deal with Kawa to stay in GP competitively.
Joined Oct 2007
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Tuscany, Italy
It could well be Valentino himself... It is a fact that he has never been the same after 2010. He has always been a favorite rider of mine and I have always given him a lot of credit, that I think he fully deserved, but now one can't help seeing that Nicky is way ahead of him and De Puniet is on his heels on a Superbike machine. And he's still speaking about his position on the bike... Nah, it doesn't look promising.
Vale has earned himself a place among the greats of this sport, but if -- as it seems -- the sacred fire is not burning in him any more, it is much better that he keeps his mouth shut rather than complaining, uses this year to help Ducati make the new bike competitive, and then call it a day and leave the Desmosedici to some young and hungry rider... Really.
Joined Jun 2007
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Norah Head
and then call it a day and leave the Desmosedici to some young and hungry rider... Really.
Agreed, Ducati need another Stoner.
Thats if Rossi has not sent them bankrupt ......... which is what really pisses me off.
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