Joined Feb 2007
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Rovrum S,Yorks Eng
Joined Feb 2007
6K Posts | 58+
Rovrum S,Yorks Eng
Ducati's Valentino Rossi has completed his first day of MotoGP testing at Jerez and, after finding himself 1.8s off the pace of front-runner Casey Stoner, is worried the recurring front-end problems he continues to experience cannot be fixed.
Rossi was ninth on the timesheet today, behind team-mate Nicky Hayden, and says he is still unable to load up the front tyre enough to get the feel he requires to make a fast corner entry and it is in the quicker turns, where he doesn't brake, that the problem is more evident.
"I have too much difficulty to load the front so I am not able to carry enough speed into the corner especially when I have to enter without brakes, the fast corners is where I lose more. The rest we improve a lot but unfortunately, at this moment, we cannot improve this feeling," said Rossi, speaking to bikesportnews.com.
"At the end we try a different setting, the feeling with the bike improve and I did quite a good laptime for my pace so for tomorrow we have some idea to try and improve that setting and make a bit faster.
"The distance (to Stoner) is very big and for sure we have worry but we have to see realistically, especially with the lap time of Nicky, because he is a bit faster than us so we have to try and catch him. The worry for us is we change a lot of the bike, also from last year, and the problem remain very similar.
"I think this bike is a bit more safe, so you can try something, because with the other bike it was more dangerous but the problem for the laptime remain so I don't know if we are able to fix. We decide our riding position from what we have but my feeling remain that I am a little bit too much on the rear, too much far from the front, but now what we have is this so it will remain."
http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-d...d-front-end-problem-cant-be-fixed&newsid=6586
Rossi was ninth on the timesheet today, behind team-mate Nicky Hayden, and says he is still unable to load up the front tyre enough to get the feel he requires to make a fast corner entry and it is in the quicker turns, where he doesn't brake, that the problem is more evident.
"I have too much difficulty to load the front so I am not able to carry enough speed into the corner especially when I have to enter without brakes, the fast corners is where I lose more. The rest we improve a lot but unfortunately, at this moment, we cannot improve this feeling," said Rossi, speaking to bikesportnews.com.
"At the end we try a different setting, the feeling with the bike improve and I did quite a good laptime for my pace so for tomorrow we have some idea to try and improve that setting and make a bit faster.
"The distance (to Stoner) is very big and for sure we have worry but we have to see realistically, especially with the lap time of Nicky, because he is a bit faster than us so we have to try and catch him. The worry for us is we change a lot of the bike, also from last year, and the problem remain very similar.
"I think this bike is a bit more safe, so you can try something, because with the other bike it was more dangerous but the problem for the laptime remain so I don't know if we are able to fix. We decide our riding position from what we have but my feeling remain that I am a little bit too much on the rear, too much far from the front, but now what we have is this so it will remain."
http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-d...d-front-end-problem-cant-be-fixed&newsid=6586
wonder what BS excuses will come out of rossi camp today?
there was a banana peel stuck to my tyre....
my part of the track had oil on it....
i had to ride on the wooden wheels today...
they forgot to pack my gloves....
i twisted my ankle this morning....
the bike was only running on 3 cylinders.....
such a cynic.....
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I hear you, but the cost reduction IS substantial buddy. They are lapping faster than a couple of "prototype" bikes with decent riders. Not sure why implying (as you did later in the thread) that development cost from Wsbk is not tallied in, well...of course, that IS the point. Are you going to tally the development cost from the factories that have developed the machines and the technology that has allowed a "prototype" or a 'production' derivative to exist? Your gonna need a calculator with a lot of zeros. That IS the point, to allow a CRT to use some of the money spent from previously developing an engine and machine. As far as "spirit" of the rules, don't make the same mistake Pov has done in thinking 'rules' are some divine edict. Do you think the rules governing the "prototypes" have been perfect? The engine limit 'rule' was prohibitive to the SPIRIT of "prototype" machines, for which forced Ducati to make a cookie cutter twin-spar Jap style chassis (who doe this promote the 'spirit' of prototype as a concept). That is all you need to know about arbitrary 'rules'. As far as I have read, DuPuniet's CRT enrty is perfectly legal. What "tilt" of the playing field are you talking about? Perhaps the "tilt" toward factories of being able to afford the best riders? Or is that not a form of "tilt" ing the playfield? See what I'm getting at buddy? So they gave them a few more liters of fuel, ok, we knew this going into the rules governing CRTs?
I think this is a development that should be celebrated. A CRT entry has breached the lap times of "prototype" entries before the season has started. So much for the sky falling for all those who resisted change for the sake of...resisting change.
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
I hear you, but the cost reduction IS substantial buddy. They are lapping faster than a couple of "prototype" bikes with decent riders. Not sure why implying (as you did later in the thread) that development cost from Wsbk is not tallied in, well...of course, that IS the point. Are you going to tally the development cost from the factories that have developed the machines and the technology that has allowed a "prototype" or a 'production' derivative to exist? Your gonna need a calculator with a lot of zeros. That IS the point, to allow a CRT to use some of the money spent from previously developing an engine and machine. As far as "spirit" of the rules, don't make the same mistake Pov has done in thinking 'rules' are some divine edict. Do you think the rules governing the "prototypes" have been perfect? The engine limit 'rule' was prohibitive to the SPIRIT of "prototype" machines, for which forced Ducati to make a cookie cutter twin-spar Jap style chassis (who doe this promote the 'spirit' of prototype as a concept). That is all you need to know about arbitrary 'rules'. As far as I have read, DuPuniet's CRT enrty is perfectly legal. What "tilt" of the playing field are you talking about? Perhaps the "tilt" toward factories of being able to afford the best riders? Or is that not a form of "tilt" ing the playfield? See what I'm getting at buddy? So they gave them a few more liters of fuel, ok, we knew this going into the rules governing CRTs?
I think this is a development that should be celebrated. A CRT entry has breached the lap times of "prototype" entries before the season has started. So much for the sky falling for all those who resisted change for the sake of...resisting change.
Absolute ........, Ducati painted themselves into that corner . Nobody held a gun to their head and made them change the geometry of their bike mid year where the engines wouldnt fit. Besides, that wasnt even the design that they are currently using. They decided to copy the Japanese design after that version had also failed.
Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
I won't take the time to explain it to you much beyond this post. As you have already displayed your inability to understand or follow sound logic. Maybe somebody else may have the patience to draw you pictures. The engine rule stifled the spirit of true prototype design (that you claim you favored) because the rule forced them to fall in line with an old design, where the engine as part of a stressed chassis member solution was not viable when having to develop because new engines were prohibitive. I wouldn’t expect you to understand the arbitrary nature of rules. Keep spouting your half truths and lame protest-boycotts that amount to farts in the wind.
Should I go back to badgering you as to your lame logic surrounding the arbitration of rules, just to see you squirm like a weasel? I quite did enjoy myself last time.
David Emmett Tire controversy: Bridgestone have 2 tires, codes 21 and 24. Stoner doesn't like the 21, loves the 24, everyone else loves the 21, not 24
So what is the bet that Dorna is on the phone asking for tyre code 24 to be removed form the allocation?
Does finishing 11th make one relevant because I've read several posts on this board claiming that Hayden should retire because his finishing position lacks relevancy? I'm certainly not singling you out, just pointing out the disparity of philosophies applied to individual riders.
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Southern Aridzona - Hell's doorstep.
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@motomatters
Tire controversy: Bridgestone have 2 tires, codes 21 and 24. Stoner doesn't like the 21, loves the 24, everyone else loves the 21, not 24
So what is the bet that Dorna is on the phone asking for tyre code 24 to be removed form the allocation?
So let me get this straight. 99.9% of all your posts have been about how Rossi is the anti-christ because he got his way, but now you are wanting the one to get his way over the majority, because the one is Stoner (implying that Dorna are out to sabotage Stoner because they might favor the tire the majority like)? Now do you see why I label you a neo-bopper? I bet you don't even see it do you? You've lost your mind. What you going to say now? Oh, are you gonna attack Americans again? Why not, none of your buddies, including Pov, called you on it. hahaha. You're worthless dude.
Stoner likes tire code 21, lets make everybody ride those so that Mental can be happy. Even though he use to argue against this sort of thing. But now its Stoner, so now its fair. hahahaha. Neo-boppers on display.
I'm a huge Hayden fan but at the same time I have ragged him for staying on the Duc and being such a company man. I don't think I've ever said any rider needs to leave GP, I've even taken up for Abraham and his piles of money that bought his seat. I support the CRTs because it keeps guys on the grid to prove themselves and it also lets more riders try for a chance to prove they belong in the big show. I think today was one of the first times I saw Hayden complain that he's frustrated that they have the same problems. I think if you put him on a Honda or Yamaha, he easily keeps up with the pie man, just like I think Rossi keeps up with Jlo. In my eyes Hayden does deserve some of what people say about him, do you want to win races or do you just want to be secure that you'll always be a factory rider as long as you stay with the .... team. Take a damn chance and get on a good bike like Dovi did, .... even RDP probably could have went and had a great ride in WSBK but he decided to take a chance and prove he belongs in GP. Today Rossi realized that he'll most likely have another .... season on the Duc, Hayden should have seen the writing on the wall long ago.
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The North!
Yeah I got a chance to talk to Cal in Valencia and he was saying he was already looking forward to the move to 1000cc. He felt it would suit his riding style more than the 800's.
Seems the boy knows what he likes, I just hope he can improve a lil bit more to challenge the factory team.
Yorgay or the Pieman's seat for next year will do
GO CAL!!!
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