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Pointless waste of a thread.

Clever :clapping:



Which to be fair, is a tad embarrassing. But always remember Mike..."First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain then there is"



He had incredible feel too. Listen to the shuffle/groove on "Fool in the Rain" Regarding power, the first time I listened to Physical Graffiti I was lying on the floor between two very large 50watt Altec horn speakers powered by a valve amp on a vintage 1970s stereo. I remember being blown away by "In my Time of Dying" then the double kick on the 14" bass drum at the end of Custard Pie nearly sent me through the ceiling. The fast-forward funk feel of "Trampled Underfoot" then the backbeat on Kashmir which culminates in his signature kick drum triplet. That was just side 1 and 2 - the first record. I wish I'd still had access to that stereo by the time I discovered "Presence" and "Achilles Last Stand".

At Knebworth Jason took the stool during the soundcheck while Bonzo stood in the field and said it was the only time he got to see Led Zep live and appreciate how massive they sounded.

So many producers and drummers alike have tried to imitate Bonzo's sound but failed dreadfully. They may be mic'd up, but the drums are ultimately an acoustic instrument ... the sound depends upon touch, feel and attack. If anything, Bonham was more powerful live than in the studio, but I love this anecdote...

From the Mick Wall biography:

"There was only one track on which the band consistently struggled and which they eventually came close to abandoning completely before a suitably 'refreshed' Bonzo came to the rescue, and which they consequently named after him - 'Four Sticks'. Based on Page's idea of creating a riff-based song based on a trancelike Indian raga, fluctuating between five- and six-beat meters, the band simply couldn't nail it until Bonham - returning in the early hours from a night out in London - downed a can of Double Diamond beer then picked up two drumsticks in each hand and laid the track down in just two takes."



Much of this owed to Brian Jones (and Alexis Korner), who introduced Mick and Kieth to the Chicago/Delta sound proper beyond their Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf and BB King records they exchanged on a train from Dartford. in spite of being a colossal ... was a masterful multi-instrumentalist and although no songwriter had an ear for a melody. Listen to the piano on Ruby Tuesday. First of many cynically exploited by the Glimmer Twins, denied the credit they deserved...(see also Mick Taylor and Gram Parsons).



To be fair, they said the same about Bill. Saying that, Charlie’s got rock-solid time. His playing swings and his shuffles are great because of his comfort with jazz-ride patterns. Without him The Stones would be a completely different- sounding band with an utterly different feel. Paired with Wyman the Stones had what Glyn Johns regarded, as did many, the greatest rhythm section in Rock n' Roll history.

Greatest bit of Jagger "Get Yer Ya Yas Out" aside from "I think I bust a button on me trousers" part, very simply when he intones matter of factly..."Charlie's good tonight in'ee"

Nicely written - but ultimately this is mostly a sentimental journey down memory lane, not an objective observation at all. I never argued that Bonzo wasn't influential. But the greatest rock drummer of all time allegedly voted so by a confluence of rock drummer Illuminati he is not. To be considered that he would necessarily have to have contributed a much greater body of work.
 
Worthless you do know that along professionals which you most certainly are not, the consensus is he was the best rock drummer in history? Go back to smoking meth, you're irrelevant.

JP Bloated, you seem sure of that. But you would be wrong. It's a very subjective thing. Off the top of my head, Steve Gadd, Mitch Mitchell, Ringo, Billy Cobham and Ginger Baker were far superior drummers capable of much more subtle and nuanced playing. Guys like Moon and Bonzo are often added to polls and such but mostly for sentimental reasons, because they were the fathers of the giant over the top drum kits and the whole overkill heavy metal style. And they were good showmen, but not the kind of gods you'd like to think they were.
 
Wally rates Ringo over Bonham.
OK Dub, THAT’s the dumbest thing I have ever seen on the internet.
 
No doubt Led Zeppelin were tremendous musicians, and Bonham a great drummer. As you are no doubt aware Page was a much in demand session musician prior to the Yardbirds and the New Yardbirds/Led Zeppelin, and played on many sixties hits including Donovan’s.

I am a moderate fan, particularly of the first 2 albums and always loved the Immigrant Song even as a kid before I got into rock music.

For the Blues it is the Stones over Led Zeppelin for me, particularly for their reverence towards and treatment of the original bluesmen when they were still around, and I probably take Charlie Watts over Bonham, recognising Bonham had enormous power. Similarly to Page and Plant with Bonham, Keith and Mick have always said the Stones would not continue without Charlie.

If you listen to Donovan's catalog, Pagey is all over it on so many of his tunes, thanks to brilliant producer Mickey Most. I totally revere Page and can pick him out on any track he sessioned on and there are many.

As drummers go, Watts is just so underrated. He never did anything ground-breaking, but the guy was just always so perfect on everything he did. My fave story about him is the one at a party where he overheard Jagger refer to him as "my drummer". He's alleged to have dragged Jagger across the middle of a crowded room and almost over the balcony telling him, “I am not your drummer. I am the drummer of the band. Never forget it.” Of course the story gets bigger and more dramatic every time I hear it told. How much truth there is in the story, I can't say.
 
Welp...

How dare the washed up old fool finish on the podium while mighty Zarco sits crying in his trailer and his younger teammate on the same bike finished about an hour behind!

Every dog has it's day - Rossi would never have been anywhere near the podium is Zarco and Dovi hadn't have crashed :p
 
Also in some views, Rossi wasn’t taken out in Argentina. He did it to himself , just like some people didn’t think he kicked MM in Sepang 2015 while some others believe he did.

Rossi did do it to himself and he did kick Marquez. Sad that the former World champ has slid so far down the rankings - World Chamionship Ranking and decent human being rankings....
 
JP Bloated, you seem sure of that. But you would be wrong. It's a very subjective thing. Off the top of my head, Steve Gadd, Mitch Mitchell, Ringo, Billy Cobham and Ginger Baker were far superior drummers capable of much more subtle and nuanced playing. Guys like Moon and Bonzo are often added to polls and such but mostly for sentimental reasons, because they were the fathers of the giant over the top drum kits and the whole overkill heavy metal style. And they were good showmen, but not the kind of gods you'd like to think they were.

Wally Worthless, just give it up. So much .... is being spewed from your fingers I'm surprised you haven't taken a plunger to your keyboard to clear it out.
 
Wally Worthless, just give it up. So much .... is being spewed from your fingers I'm surprised you haven't taken a plunger to your keyboard to clear it out.

Predictably, no vaguely objective or informative reply. Just the usual .... sandwich of sticking your fingers in your ears and bleating fake news fake news, la la la la followed by more insults.
 
Nicely written - but ultimately this is mostly a sentimental journey down memory lane, not an objective observation at all.

Actually, although I concede that taste is subjective, the music speaks for itself as does Bonham's drumming and irrespective of what you think, his technique and ability is therefore axiomatic to the discerning ear.

Start with "Good Times Bad Times" which will provide you with just one example amongst many as to why so many of his contemporaries and successors attest to the fact that nobody had a faster right foot. Move onto the "Wanton Song" - the use of space in the verse is not only subtle but his natural ear for what is going on around him is uncanny. Bonham didn't just play the drums but like any intuitive jazz drummer, he played the band. His instinct, dynamics, technique and sense of feel was remarkable. Bonham was virtually unparalleled playing half-time blues. His groove was always in the sweet spot, and he peppered the emptiness between the fours of the snare with triplets and polyrhythms which are inimitable - Like I said, his sixteenth note right triplet became his trademark. Also, his mastery of the power of the straight eight note betrayed not only his guile but again his scholarly knowledge of drumming and leanings towards greats such as the 'Session King', Earl Palmer. Although renowned as a hell raiser and hedonist, Bonzo worked hard to perfect his craft and his devotion to all forms of drumming from jazz to blues enabled him to transcend the rock genre.

My response was addressed to Mike. Regarding power, in the UK he was only surpassed by Baker and the only other rock drummer I've that is comparable to Bonzo live in terms of how hard he hit was Neil Peart.
 
Agree. Still not convinced Krap Magnet is not him. Too many similarities. Attitude, convinced he's much cleverer than he is, thin-skinned, mean-spirited, petty, unable to post anything of merit he tries to compensate by crushing people with sheer volume of posts, sucks up to his old mates, takes himself way too seriously, no real sense of humor etc. If not him, it's his identical clone. And he's definitely a pom. All the curry jokes: right out of the British skinhead handbook. All that ..... about being in Italy is a red herring.

Klog, klog, klog.
 
Predictably, no vaguely objective or informative reply. Just the usual .... sandwich of sticking your fingers in your ears and bleating fake news fake news, la la la la followed by more insults.

Your opinions became worthless when you said Ringo was far superior.

Arrab did a masterful job of outlining what I didn't feel like typing.

Listening to Bonham live was incredible. He could drive Page in different directions. The interplay they had on the 30 minute versions of Dazed and Confused was masterful. I remember on May 22, 1977 at the Tarrant County Convention Center in TX, during the Rock and Roll encore he basically is chasing Page's solo and finally brings it to an end with a massive drum fill that cuts the solo off. He was in full command of the song driving it forward only as he could.
 
Every dog has it's day - Rossi would never have been anywhere near the podium is Zarco and Dovi hadn't have crashed :p

And you wouldn’t waste precious oxygen if pops didn’t forget to buy rubber but hey, it is what it is.
 
I thought this thread was about Zarco, not a bunch of people who bash skin.
 
Meh they ran off to start their own forum last time .... and bored themselves shitless :D

But I note that rog is still exactly the same ..... still thinks he's the smartest bloke ever. ;)
Agree. Still not convinced Krap Magnet is not him [Rog]. Too many similarities. Attitude, convinced he's much cleverer than he is, thin-skinned, mean-spirited, petty, unable to post anything of merit he tries to compensate by crushing people with sheer volume of posts, sucks up to his old mates, takes himself way too seriously, no real sense of humor etc. If not him, it's his identical clone. And he's definitely a pom. All the curry jokes: right out of the British skinhead handbook. All that ..... about being in Italy is a red herring.

Anther thread destroyed by the trolls Barry Machine and Kesh who cannot keep Roger out of their mouths; chasing Synn around despite Keshav's “commitment” to ignore by increasingly reacting whilst repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly point out he is “ignoring”. Yet again confirming the non-existent credibility, both of you working in tandem, indistinguishable from each other to destroy the forum.

It should be fascinating to the rest of the members here, the few that are left, (not including your enablers as they are hopeless) to see both of you stubbornly clinging to this bizarre theory, that or it is said for the sake of provocation, either way this exposes both of you deranged fools, sulking about your obsession and still brood over a man that was far superior in every way to yourselves.

Barry Machine, every time you bring up the other forum you remind us exactly the pull and esteem that Roger actually had which contradicts yours and Kancer’s slander of him. Pause to consider, with the exception of KayDee AKA Kesh, that site had many of the brightest, most informed, articulate, members this forum has every enlisted. Kesh/Kaydee would know because he would be foolish to list randomly 10 of those names now and they not be regarded as excellent knowledgable racing fans and more importantly, good people. That was until the mole Kaydee destroyed it, as he is, with your help Barry, actively destroying this forum.

Consider this Barry Machine and Kesh, if you were to create your own forum today, who might you convince to join? Here is your list: Kesh/Barry, lil kesh and 2-3 other ignorant useless nobodies that are not worth mentioning. The rest would stay here. Roger had over 50 members, of a high quality, highly knowledgeable individuals, this points to everything you need to know about Roger and the esteem people had and still have for him today. Why would so many people join his site if he were this monster Kesh and Barry machine describe? That is because Kesh and Barry Machine are obsessed with the memory of a man that despite being far removed from this space still haunts them, emasculates, and reminds them of their insignificant status. Most of those members still interact with Rog regularly, and no meet-up of these fellows would be complete without an honorable mention of Roger in terms of the legendary good times we have had with him. Whenever we have a meet up, as we did in Austin, Texas, our friends who have meet Roger take pictures and send them to him, so we can vicariously share the moment. Does this sound like the man you two slander and dig lower and lower to convince others he is some awful person?


I stayed off this thread for 24 hours. It was actually relatively civil. I came back and saw a flame war. Surprise, surprise, Kancer had entered the thread and resumed his Klogging.

What Kesh and Barry Machine are doing should be increasingly obvious to anyone surveying the threads, though I’ve been pointing it out for years, they destroy threads after thread, even the ones that don’t descend into hostile flame wars are kuttered with useless quips by ..... Machine that are devoid of any real substance. If you were to read the last 1000 posts of Barry Machine they’d all be some rehashed unoriginal reactionary quip about Rossi. What you won’t find is substance, analysis, insight, and complex debate. I’m laughing writing this to you because after Kesh nuked the legit thread Synn had created about Great Performances, he defended his actions by saying he had trolled the thread (let's shelf the “ignore” pledge for a moment) because as he put it, 'the excessiveness of threads regarding Rossi'. Only for me to list the excessive production of Barry Machine over-generating threads to moan about Rossi. Ooops. It's not that hard to break these two fools down, especially when they both increasingly become flustered and resort to lower and lower forms of trolling, to the point of enlisting the lowest form of provocation, racism, in an attempt to retaliate, less we forget their justification, 'well he's doing it too' (can things get any more schoolyardish? Neither had credibility to begin with, that has been shot and reconfirmed, neither has self-control over their obsessions to conjure up increasingly unhinged theories about the identity of Synn and other members, though they seem to be stuck on repeat: Synn=Roger whine, cry, insult ‘repeat’; and neither has the acumen or self-awareness to realize they are the problem rather than the solution. Frankly, I shake my head when I see sane people interact with them knowing that a simple assessment of their character is revealed in the expression of their posts.
 
Yeah let's rewrite history with what ifs :lol:



Hey hey RCV600RR loves this whatif game!! He said if Rossi didn’t run into MM and crashed in Argentina (his fault) then this forum wouldn’t exist or Rossi would be the top yamahA riders in point and second in the championship. Don’t ruin his fantasy [emoji23]
 
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Only because you're too dumb to distinguish between a crash caused by a rider's own error (Zarco at Le Mans) and a crash caused by another rider's error (MM at VR in Argentina).
 
Only because you're too dumb to distinguish between a crash caused by a rider's own error (Zarco at Le Mans) and a crash caused by another rider's error (MM at VR in Argentina).



Lol you mad?
You must also be one of those dumb ..... who think Rossi didn’t kick MM in Sepang 2015. You conveniently didn’t answer my questions twice. At least danski, motovudu and others didn’t hide the facts that they are Rossi fans. You portray yourself as a neutral fan but your Rossi bias shown. Lame ...!!
 
You must also be one of those dumb ..... who think Rossi didn’t kick MM in Sepang 2015.
Yep, just like Mick Doohan. He'll be devastated to know that he's a "dumb ..." because he disagrees with a guy on the internet called "aw mang".

Keep up the non-sequiturs.
 

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