Why the hate on Casey?
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I think it was more likely a 19 year old computer tech or someone else on his race crew, but if it was stoner it would not be much more extraordinary than valentino answering in great detail on twitter as he is apparently doing.
I really should give up posting, or at least on this topic, because povol has said everything there is to be said when he said "this dog bites when taunted", and I think this also falls into that category.
The latest round of hostilities started with valentino's comment about how much money honda had spent to win stoner his 2nd championship, and if you see no irony in valentino rossi of all people complaining about an opponent's bike being better funded than his then you are as far gone on your side of the argument as you consider me to be on my side of it.
If people don't like stoner's bite or consider his bite pattern to be inelegant, don't taunt him. At the moment he seems to be upsetting valentino more than valentino is upsetting him anyway.
The real answer is probably that both sides are correct; valentino's career record is obviously markedly superior to stoner's, but stoner's head to head record over the not negligible period of 6 years against him is also very impressive. There will not be much room to manouevre for the stoner side of things if valentino makes a 2008 style renaissance this year I would concede.
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Norah Head
I see it more as a function/reflection of the modern social media, with the twitter generation feeling the need to broadcast any fleeting thought/emotion to the world immediately, and older people who think they are trendy buying into the culture seem to be the most effusive. There is an all-time great australian cricketer in his 40s who is going out with (indeed I believe is now affianced to) the actress liz hurley, and seems to feel the need to broadcast his love and devotion to her to the twitterverse several times daily when they are apart. We have also had multiple instances of sportsmen immediately tweeting confidential team selection information etc.
I highly doubt this is from nakomoto or authorised by him, unless as has been said honda are not very concerned about bike sales in Italy. It is also apparently part of ongoing byplay between the race crews via twitter, and is probably one of stoner's longterm and loyal crew, most of whom are italian, ironically.
Btw as you know i am an old fogey who doesn't even text let alone tweet, so my perspective is that of a luddite.
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Norah Head
I was thinking about this. Its happened before, so you never know.
But I have to admit even as the worlds greatest inventor of the new Ducati ( hence having a vested interest ), it will be the hardest call ever that Rossi/JB have pulled off:
Some reasons why:
JB is getting old and looks "over it"
Rossi has had a lost year. And it was preceded by the worst injury he has ever had.
Laguna 08 Stuffed Rossi, personally I believe the way he won Laguna 08 and the near call affected Rossi himelf. I don't believe he actually wanted to be that guy. He became the new Biaggi then, to himself. Stoner actually started to get more race wins from that moment on, and I don't believe it was all Stoners extra drive.
Reverse engineer Rainey or Shwantz's?? comment on the corkscrew and passing "if you get passed on the corkscrew ......." ( or something to that effect ) then you will see that Casey has overtaken folk on the corkscrew year after year ( and dramatically ) since 08 ........... Rossi has had very lackluster performances since then, compared to Stoner, ergo by Rainey or Shwantz's definition ........
The new Duc. I fear, and judging by the hand beaten "old coke can" tank shroud on the "new Duc", is likely a frankenstiens concoction of the same old engine merely tilted back in the frame ........ even though I agree with this ....... it all smacked of desperation and absolutely no idea of what they were doing when they actually turned up at Sepang with 3 different bikes to try .......... yes 3 ...... in terms of Ducati having technical prowess , well yes they do if running the "Lucky Dip" is technical.
I have confidence that the L90 was the problem, I have no confidence that Ducati share my confidence ........ which is scary. Its "rabbit out of the hat" stuff.
Rossi now has to win 7 GP's to catch Stoner ....... and thats assuming Stoner wins none ........ huge call. and hasn't hapened since Stoner has been in. In short Stoner has actually had a momentum that Rossi has never arrested ...... how can we expect him to now?
Still if enough Bopper dream .....
And back to why the Boppers hate Casey:
Chianti .............. made with sour grapes
ROFL - this place is becoming like oprah - the young and the restless - cnn - better still Desparate Housewives or the rich pompass biatches from whatever scottish county
FFS sake I blame it on VR turning motogp into a soap opera with a support cast of CRT's - KK the test pilot as side kick Robin - JB the Professor from Gilligan and his ex rides Honda buys anything to win but didn't want to pay more and Yama did the deal late at night
spending their whole budget on his last titles but a late cameo was rushed in known as the beloved Duke once a winner for a brief time but now the Dud
FFS sake I blame it on VR turning motogp into a soap opera with a support cast of CRT's - KK the test pilot as side kick Robin - JB the Professor from Gilligan and his ex rides Honda buys anything to win but didn't want to pay more and Yama did the deal late at night
Dont give up posting on this subject Michaelm........ u got good stuff to say dude..
Not really barry. Stoner dnfed the next 2 races, in one of which his scaphoid pseudoarthrosis gave way, whilst rossi rode in the stellar fashion he had all year and finished 1st or 2nd in every race except for the one where he had the practice accident, started down the grid and finished 3rd. This was why Laguna seca 2008 was so critical, stoner's chance at the championship was pretty well gone once he came out of that race 25 points behind particularly with dani and jorge banged up although they may not have done much rossi beating fully fit anyway, and stoner was the one with the momentum/multiple race wins in succession going in. Rossi didn't do all that badly in 2009 either.
I agree that valentino will have trouble making up 7 race wins on stoner, but this will not be very relevant if he gets ahead again in terms of championships head to head.
I think the reason ppl hate Casey so much is a couple of things.
Firstly he tells it how he sees it, ppl call him a whinger but i dont see it that way( and no im not a blind fanboy) if he gets asked a question about a track, his bike,or a race he tells it how he sees it. Its an Australian thing thats how we are and ppl who take offence to what he says are usually European..
Secondly alot of the hate i beleive comes from the Kool Aid Kids Yellow Army who just cant let go and realise that Valentino can be beaten and they hate on anyone who beats him especially Casey.
Fact is Valentino is a great rider but is in his last years, even on the same bike as Stoner or Crazy George i dont think he could keep up i may be wrong but thats how i see it. Valentinos biggest problem is his ego he wants to finish on top, but then these riders come up Stoner, Crazy George, and are beating him and the more he tries the worse he looks. As a whole Vale has acheived more then most guys would hope to but his Legacy when he does retire wont be what it would have been had he left when he hurt his leg..........
Firstly he tells it how he sees it, ppl call him a whinger but i dont see it that way( and no im not a blind fanboy) if he gets asked a question about a track, his bike,or a race he tells it how he sees it. Its an Australian thing thats how we are and ppl who take offence to what he says are usually European..
Secondly alot of the hate i beleive comes from the Kool Aid Kids Yellow Army who just cant let go and realise that Valentino can be beaten and they hate on anyone who beats him especially Casey.
Fact is Valentino is a great rider but is in his last years, even on the same bike as Stoner or Crazy George i dont think he could keep up i may be wrong but thats how i see it. Valentinos biggest problem is his ego he wants to finish on top, but then these riders come up Stoner, Crazy George, and are beating him and the more he tries the worse he looks. As a whole Vale has acheived more then most guys would hope to but his Legacy when he does retire wont be what it would have been had he left when he hurt his leg..........
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Wow, your disconnect from reality is astonishing. Perhaps Germany did win WW1&2 but we all just missed it, eh. Rossi came away from Laguna 08 with confidence and swagger. If anybody appeared to be negatively affected, it was Stoner, seemingly more agitated. I get that this is when the "whiner" tag for him when into hyperdrive, and i get that it may be argued it was undeserved (which i myself did argue) but dude, get a grip on reality. Stoner continued to win races but also had a few major mistakes the rest of that season and was never able to mount a challenge (giving reason for some peeps to argue he had been affected).
Rossi continued to have an excellent performance before and after leg injury, and continued even winning races against his excellent rival Lorenzo. It wasn't until going to Ducati did this change.
I suppose your degree isn't just in technical stuff but historical revision as well.
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Norah Head
Oh yes he did, if you compare him to some riders such as ......... many , but we are talking why folk hate Casey Stoner. So as compared to Stoner, since Laguna Seca 08 rossi has fallen back in wins and Stoner has both caught him, though on the Duc. then when Rossi went to Duc Stoner has trounced him, and showed what sort of bike Stoner had been dealing with..
Are ypu suggesting that Laguna 08 was a bigger influence to Stoners career since then than being on a Ducati?
I think you are just thinking 08. The "hate" for Stoner has seemed to have been going a tad longer than that ...... albeit much abated since Rossi went to Ducati.
Post up your degree in denial for us all to see Jums. I can't be bothered spending that time on you
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Norah Head
Yes yes I know all that but we are talking "why the hate of Casey"
And as many have proposed it seems to be because he wins races!
And i agree because back when Stoner had 1 WC and Rossi 2 Stoner still had more races ...... so its not the WC's that count.
Lorenzo got a bit of hate when he won the WC bit he does not get the amount of hate that Stoner gets ........ Stoner has more race wins.
Before Laguna 08 in Rossi v;s Stoner
Rossi = 12 wins
Stoner = 13 wins
After Laguna 08
Rossi = 14 wins
Stoner = 20 wins
I do think HRC are working his PR image now, they have a blog up for him. He just needs to work on being less abrasive. You see all the post test interviews, he goes from stating the rules changed to help someone, and that the new tires are causeing his chatter, in another interview he says Ducati and Yam had the same chattering problems from what he heard in the paddock after the testing. In another interview he blames the added weight and not the tires. He also said the new tires do warm up faster and something had to be done because the old tires were dangerous as we saw last season. He also said they just need to mold the bike around the tires to fix the problem in one interview.
In one interview he sounds like all the other riders, "we have things to figure out still and we'll keep working", but in another interview he sounds like a complainer and that the rules were changed to benefit a mystery some one. People are more likely to hear what they want to believe. Is Dorna out to get him and ....... him over with the tires and added weight or is everyone dealing with the same problem as he stated earlier. Is he telling it like it is, he never named the mystery person who benefited from the rule change, or is he frustrated Honda didn't fix the problem and resorting to saying the rules were bent to help someone. The guy just has a negativity about him. What did his team mate have to say, "we just have to adapt"
In one interview he sounds like all the other riders, "we have things to figure out still and we'll keep working", but in another interview he sounds like a complainer and that the rules were changed to benefit a mystery some one. People are more likely to hear what they want to believe. Is Dorna out to get him and ....... him over with the tires and added weight or is everyone dealing with the same problem as he stated earlier. Is he telling it like it is, he never named the mystery person who benefited from the rule change, or is he frustrated Honda didn't fix the problem and resorting to saying the rules were bent to help someone. The guy just has a negativity about him. What did his team mate have to say, "we just have to adapt"
Oh yes he did, if you compare him to some riders such as ......... many , but we are talking why folk hate Casey Stoner. So as compared to Stoner, since Laguna Seca 08 rossi has fallen back in wins and Stoner has both caught him, though on the Duc. then when Rossi went to Duc Stoner has trounced him, and showed what sort of bike Stoner had been dealing with..
Are ypu suggesting that Laguna 08 was a bigger influence to Stoners career since then than being on a Ducati?
I think you are just thinking 08. The "hate" for Stoner has seemed to have been going a tad longer than that ...... albeit much abated since Rossi went to Ducati.
Post up your degree in denial for us all to see Jums. I can't be bothered spending that time on you
See if you can type the word barry. You were w-r-o-n-g.
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Norah Head
Each time when they watch the races the Boppers have less wins than expected ..... and guess who took them ....... Stoner ...... I wonder why they hate him.
Jlo is much more likable and humble, the guy has a personality and the ability to laugh at himself and make jokes. I like him as a rider and think he's good for the sport, he also loves the fans, have you seen how much he interacts with his fan club, those things are good for the sport. The more we get attached to a rider the more likely we'll be tuned in to watch him race.
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Sorry Mick your math is bad ......
If I'm wrong tell me the real figures:
Up to an including Laguna 08
Rossi = 13 wins
Stoner = 13 wins
After Laguna 08
Rossi = 13 wins
Stoner = 20 wins
Looks a lot like Stoner has won more than Rossi since Laguna 08 ........... coincidentally Rossi's Laguna 08 win was the point at which Rossi and Stoner had 13 wins a piece ........
but since then ......... Stoner has won more ........
There was a lot more to Laguna 08 than you guys are willing to accept.
Here's one: Had Rossi not won Laguna 08 do you feel his thinking, in going to Ducati, would have been different?
To me the guy was absolutely blind in rejecting Yamaha's offer and going Duc. HowTF could he not possibly see that the Duc. was a very flawed machine. ...... he started to believe his own ..... myth.
What Laguna 08 did to Rossi caused that "blindness" and has been his undoing ........ had Rossi not have had the need to so badly try and match Stoner, and Stoner specifically, he would have seen through the hype his fans were creating out of myth ....... and even probably learned to "suck it up" at times and stayed Yam ....... had Rossi stayed Yam ....... todays story may be very different than it looks today.
Laguna 08 destroyed Rossi ....... maybe not in the way you feel is right, but Mr Squig. posted a list of stuff abut Rossi ........ sadly much of that list was reaffirmed at Laguna 08 ........ and made Rossi then very vulnerable, to his own mind.
Look at the Rossi who T boned and crashed off Casey at Jerez ........... very different to the Rossi who T boned Stoner at Laguna ......... its called ......... conscience. And thats what has distracted Rossi.
Rossi apologising to Stoner was more fr Rossi's benefit than Stoner ......... Rossi had already lived that situation before at Laguna ..... and handled it in a most dishonorable way.
Though why he could not have just said a few "hail Mary's" instead of going Ducati is beyond me LOLOL
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Norah Head
Wow amazing how that seems different to the view of Lorenzo at the end of 2010 ....... bopper enemy no. 1 he was shortly ...... then Stoner won Qatar and it was back to Stoner LOLOL
ANd remember how much the boppers just loved Hayden at the end of 06!! LOLLOOL but again it was only a brief interlude as bloody Stoner started winning races ........ the hate was the same, ie. "the hate" is really "hate whomsoever is beating Rossi".
And I would proffer that it has mostly been Casey ......... now why ever would that be?
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I disliked him from the moment I first saw him in 125's, way before he got to Rossi. He just has a head that needs regular panel beating
But saying that, I don't mind him so much now, he seemed really nice at Phillip island last year. He seemed good with the fans. Half his issue is more than likely the media and they play the .... out of it. I don't think he is a bad dude.
But saying that, I don't mind him so much now, he seemed really nice at Phillip island last year. He seemed good with the fans. Half his issue is more than likely the media and they play the .... out of it. I don't think he is a bad dude.
