Why the hate on Casey?

spooky said:

The first part of your reply is true, the second part isn't. Edwards is liked because he comes across as the guy who doesn't really give a ...., he's liked because he's the kinda guy you could out for a pint with.



Whilst Vale plays up for the camera's on race weekends i think that generally he is a quiet guy, borderline introverted. As people on the forum have said, he sticks with his close mates who are always Italian where as Casey appears to be more open, socializing with Spies/Edwards etc though it appears that he clearly likes his alone time as well - Casey and Vale may not be that different actually... (cant wait to see what the boppers/neo boppers/other boppers say about that!)

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Rossi? Introverted?

Dude, WTF have you been smoking?



They guy is always, ALWAYS pimping and preening in front of the camera. Everything he does just screams, "Look at me!!" It's all about him, all the time, every time. I honestly think the guy is completely in love with himself. If Valentino doesn't join the others for a BBQ and beer, it either because he declined to go, or because no one wants to invite such an obnoxious ....



There is NFW that Rossi would / could ever be classified as an 'introvert.' He is a classic, over-the-top, extrovert who NEEDS the approval of others.



I also think the fact that Rossi has taken such pains to make outright enemies of his major rivals says a lot about his 'sociability' - none of it good.





(I'm not a Bopper, or a Boner; just a race fan.)

povol said:

Not sure if this quote has been posted, but im sure some will use it to fuel their hate towards Stoner.



Commenting on the last Sepang test, Stoner basically said, dude if your the lead rider for Ducati, you need to be the fastest Ducati before you start making demands. Or,STFU and ride that ....., ...... Rossi wasnt the slowest Ducati, but he wasnt the fastest either.



"All the other Ducatis were faster than his during the test," Stoner said about Rossi. "He wasn't worried about a single fast lap, but he is the lead rider on the team, and he should be the fastest before complaining so much. He needs to figure out why the GP12 performed well in the first test, and poorly in the second ... but I honestly hope they can turn things around, as it would be good for the entire championship."

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the quote is just over a week old?.... most of us have prob seen it.



congrats here is you award cos u are fast turning into pinky..... you already have his left boot on a little more work and you will be there!



i dont actually hate stoner so keep stiring the spoon... i repect his skills but not his attitude "sometimes"

jazkat said:

the quote is just over a week old?.... most of us have prob seen it.



congrats here is you award cos u are fast turning into pinky..... you already have his left boot on a little more work and you will be there!

i dont actually hate stoner so keep stiring the spoon... i repect his skills but not his attitude "sometimes"

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Most, but not all. I want all bops to have the same opportunity to hate Casey equally.



I doubt my daughters foot would fit in Pinkies boot, much less mine.

Geonerd said:

Rossi? Introverted?

Dude, WTF have you been smoking?



They guy is always, ALWAYS pimping and preening in front of the camera. Everything he does just screams, "Look at me!!" It's all about him, all the time, every time. I honestly think the guy is completely in love with himself. If Valentino doesn't join the others for a BBQ and beer, it either because he declined to go, or because no one wants to invite such an obnoxious ....

There is NFW that Rossi would / could ever be classified as an 'introvert.' He is a classic, over-the-top, extrovert who NEEDS the approval of others.



I also think the fact that Rossi has taken such pains to make outright enemies of his major rivals says a lot about his 'sociability' - none of it good.





(I'm not a Bopper, or a Boner; just a race fan.)

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Hehe...i knew someone would bite!



Rossi's race weekend persona is an act, aye he plays up for the camera's, he has to, he's one of the most famous sportsmen in the world. As Mic has said previously, Casey might not endear himself to others but at the end of the day he rides the wheels off his bike and wins races, nowt else matters. Rossi acts all sociable infront of the cameras but it appears he isn't really most sociable guy out there....he likes being at home dicking about on dirt bikes in the same way Casey likes dicking about on a boat with a fishing rod....their race weekend persona's differ but i reckon they're very similar outwith race weekends!



Anyway, i couldnt give a .... about their personalities, i want to see them battle on the track!

povol said:

Not sure if this quote has been posted, but im sure some will use it to fuel their hate towards Stoner.



Commenting on the last Sepang test, Stoner basically said, dude if your the lead rider for Ducati, you need to be the fastest Ducati before you start making demands. Or,STFU and ride that ....., ...... Rossi wasnt the slowest Ducati, but he wasnt the fastest either.



"All the other Ducatis were faster than his during the test," Stoner said about Rossi. "He wasn't worried about a single fast lap, but he is the lead rider on the team, and he should be the fastest before complaining so much. He needs to figure out why the GP12 performed well in the first test, and poorly in the second ... but I honestly hope they can turn things around, as it would be good for the entire championship."

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Not talking about what Stoner has said because I don't necessarily agree with it on the basis of it is testing and Rossi's charter is to develop the bike where as the others only have to set it up and are not burdened by the extra responsibility however when Rossi and JB commented on Stoners commitment and ability to ride the Ducati in 2010 they gave him permission to do the same.

michaelm said:

Just for historical accuracy, quite a significant proportion of australians, including me and I strongly suspect mick doohan, are not descended from convicts but rather descended from those who sought refuge here from starvation in Ireland at a time when that country was producing plentiful food other than potatoes during the potato famine.

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As are many Americans. I only mention Britain b/c British common law and British colonial land policy, IIRC, made pioneer lifestyle more advantageous than other European colonies. Homesteading in the middle of the wilderness, just for the sake of homesteading, is something unique to former British colonies, imo. Many Americans, Canadians, and Australians (it seems) still aspire to own acreage, just for the sake of owning it. It's not for income or survival, they just want to homestead land.

mylexicon said:

Before you know it, he'll be the toast of Tavulia.

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Not in a billion years......but he might have a few fans around Bologna

michaelm said:

I don't think anyone requires stoner to be loved (nor should anyone), but it seems strange to hate him for doing what he is supposed to do which is win bike races, riding in a spectacular fashion whilst doing so which I would have thought anyone who likes bike racing should appreciate.

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Personally, I've never read or heard anyone state that they dislike Stoner because he wins, far from it.........Most of the people who dislike Stoner do so because he has acted like a complete .... many, many times on track and off -recently and in the past. You like to attribute this, as you've always done, to the extremely weak argument of him beating Rossi. Many of your arguments are excellent, this one is not.



One thing you will have to eventually accept mate, most fans dislike Stoner is for reasons created by him which have nothing to do with Rossi. As I accept that a lot of fans, 'mostly' Stoner fans, dislike Rossi. As a Rossi fan I accept that this dislike stems from many reasons, not just because Rossi has beaten Stoner. Based on your argument above, every fan in the racing world should completely adore VR as he has won more races, in a far more spectacular way than any rider in the modern era of the sport. Anyone who claims to be a fan of the sport should be highly appreciative of not only his skill on track, but for what he has done for the sport off the track. Yet we see a lot of the opposite in forums and popular racing discussion, VR's talent, his legacy, his record, the competition he raced against in his prime, his reputation, his personal life have all been subject to serious criticism. You can't please everyone and its not as simple as you seem to believe, and the reasons for one's allegiances to certain riders can be complex, this also applies to one's disapproval for a rider.



It all adds to the theatre that is Motogp-and certainly since Stoner has been winning again he has added to the show greatly with many public digs at Rossi-even though Rossi doesn't appear to even be close to challenging for the title at present, CS is demonstrating behavior which is directly opposing what most of his fans claim him to be, the moral superior - in fact one of the reasons why Stoner fans dislike Rossi so much are his past public critic's of Stoner.........funny thing this.....two wrongs =



But lets face it, without the theatre in recent seasons, the fans don't have much to discuss that doesn't involve bungling of the tech regs.......thus the never ending discussion of this topic. I do certainly agree with Casey's last statement in his recent outburst, for I think everyone wants to see these two go at it on track again

Talpa said:

Personally, I've never read or heard anyone state that they dislike Stoner because he wins, far from it.........Most of the people who dislike Stoner do so because he has acted like a complete .... many, many times on track and off -recently and in the past. You like to attribute this, as you've always done, to the extremely weak argument of him beating Rossi. Many of your arguments are excellent, this one is not.



One thing you will have to eventually accept mate, most fans dislike Stoner is for reasons created by him which have nothing to do with Rossi. As I accept that a lot of fans, 'mostly' Stoner fans, dislike Rossi. As a Rossi fan I accept that this dislike stems from many reasons, not just because Rossi has beaten Stoner. Based on your argument above, every fan in the racing world should completely adore VR as he has won more races, in a far more spectacular way than any rider in the modern era of the sport. Anyone who claims to be a fan of the sport should be highly appreciative of not only his skill on track, but for what he has done for the sport off the track. Yet we see a lot of the opposite in forums and popular racing discussion, VR's talent, his legacy, his record, the competition he raced against in his prime, his reputation, his personal life have all been subject to serious criticism. You can't please everyone and its not as simple as you seem to believe, and the reasons for one's allegiances to certain riders can be complex, this also applies to one's disapproval for a rider.



It all adds to the theatre that is Motogp-and certainly since Stoner has been winning again he has added to the show greatly with many public digs at Rossi-even though Rossi doesn't appear to even be close to challenging for the title at present, CS is demonstrating behavior which is directly opposing what most of his fans claim him to be, the moral superior - in fact one of the reasons why Stoner fans dislike Rossi so much are his past public critic's of Stoner.........funny thing this.....two wrongs =



But lets face it, without the theatre in recent seasons, the fans don't have much to discuss that doesn't involve bungling of the tech regs.......thus the never ending discussion of this topic. I do certainly agree with Casey's last statement in his recent outburst, for I think everyone wants to see these two go at it on track again

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This is a very old argument we have had many times. He was disliked in 2007 before any of the behaviour you find so repugnant, leading to a teleological discussion we have also had many times, and some of us don't find it uncoincidental that every other rider who has ever competed at all successfully against valentino has come in for similar criticism. The evil which inevitably becomes apparent in such riders now seems to be manifesting in companies which manufacture motor bikes as well.



Dislike him all you like as I have often said, what annoyed his fans, and it would seem him, was the detraction from his on track performance, which you guys are now finding rather difficult to sustain.



I in no way consider him rossi's moral superior , both are ruthless but usually fair competitors. He is just a different personality, and if you prefer rossi's, many do, in fact probably most. He is what he is, couldn't be like rossi if he tried, and would be a fake if he did try. As I have also often said, if only popular competitors were allowed to win then it would be wwe wrestling and not this enthralling sport we all follow with such passion.



As an aside, much of what you consider criticism of rossi by me from my point of view is me pointing out that rossi does similar things. I am nothing if not consistent, and behaviour I don't disapprove of in stoner I also don't disapprove of in rossi. I like some needle between the riders, so either can have digs in the press as far as I am concerned. To answer a specific point, rossi didn't have much problem criticising stoner in 2010 when he was down and not in contention for the championship either. I also had no problem with rossi giving max the bird during a race, admittedly quite a few years ago now, just as I had no problem with stoner slow hand-clapping rossi; I might argue stoner's provocation was greater though .

michaelm said:

This is a very old argument we have had many times. He was disliked in 2007 before any of the behaviour you find so repugnant, leading to a teleological discussion we have also had many times, and some of us don't find it uncoincidental that every other rider who has ever competed at all successfully against valentino has come in for similar criticism. The evil which inevitably becomes apparent in such riders now seems to be manifesting in companies which manufacture motor bikes as well.



Dislike him all you like as I have often said, what annoyed his fans, and it would seem him, was the detraction from his on track performance, which you guys are now finding rather difficult to sustain.



I in no way consider him rossi's moral superior , both are ruthless but usually fair competitors. He is just a different personality, and if you prefer rossi's, many do, in fact probably most. He is what he is, couldn't be like rossi if he tried, and would be a fake if he did try. As I have also often said, if only popular comopetitors were allowed to win then it would be wwe wrestling and not this enthralling sport we all follow with such passion.

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Exactly, they even found a way to hate Hayden, and that is ....... hard to do.

povol said:

Exactly, they even found a way to hate Hayden, and that is ....... hard to do.

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To be fair, only about 10% of the hate toward Hayden can be attributed to Rossi and his boppers. The remaining 90% is because of that sociopath tribe dweller ......... Jumkie.

BarryMachine said:

To be fair, only about 10% of the hate toward Hayden can be attributed to Rossi and his boppers. The remaining 90% is because of that sociopath tribe dweller ......... Jumkie.

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Thats just of late. If you were here in 06, and into 07, you would know that those percentages are way off



By the way, the sociopath tribe dweller statement for some reason hit me funny, and i know have coffee running out my nose, thanks

frethammer said:

yeah, why? Rossi fans are free to "express" whatever they want. This ain't a "facts" thread anyway (or it can be; depends). Stoner fans too are free to "express" what they want too.



Still? why the hate? All I hear is he moans a lot, presumably "they say" started at Laguna '08. I can see their point. But seems we can all argue at the fact the Vale went out of track then still went in front (breaking rule). I also knew bout' the Randy punch; hey they worked it out faster than than the discussions around here, then came nicky. I don't think nicky minded that, he knows Stoner. No ill feelings there. Then Abraham; Dunno bout that though.

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He thinks he is better than Rossi and that will never be true. He should think before he talks about Rossi's talent.

VROSSI46 said:

He thinks he is better than Rossi and that will never be true. He should think before he talks about Rossi's talent.

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I don't think Stoner has any illusions about who is the best clown. There has never been a better clown in the history of GP racing. You are right Rossi's talent for skit performances are unmatched.

michaelm said:

I seldom disagree with lex,

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But Mike - you can't say that, that's one of the main reasons so many of us come on here

Edwards said:

who gives a fck about who likes stoner or rossi off the track its about the racing on the track that matters.

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....... well said

VROSSI46 said:

He thinks he is better than Rossi and that will never be true. He should think before he talks about Rossi's talent.

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Just what this thread and forum needed - an objective and unbiased view from another clearly impartial member.