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Why the hate on Casey?

Why would anyone think Stoner is a paranoid? Stoner had a big issue with rider etiquette during free practice and qualifying sessions. He continued to escalate his issues until they were taken notice of by race direction. Since then rider etiquette has greatly improved and Stoner has had almost no issues since. It seems to me that riders complaining about tyres being unsafe is ok but Stoner complaining on safety grounds about riders riding slowly on the race line or blocking to get a tow is not ok.

Absolutely true that there has been little or any aggro from him about the dawdling on the racing line issue since the de puniet thing, and basically little of the behaviour which previously incensed him in motogp as you say, and hence no opportunity to see if he has "reformed"
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Marquez in moto 2 did fairly graphically demonstrate the dangers of high closing speed subsequently as well.
 
And disliked.........which is why threads like this exist in the first place.



The man has rubbed many a fan and rider up the wrong way, even dangerously. He will never be 'liked' in that context, except by a number of his countrymen, but I'm sure he doesn't give a .....



The reason why you and so many others hate him is that pesky buck tooth Aussie simply wont yield to the sun god and keeps embarassing him in those damn head to head stats that Rossi cant erase from the history books
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Taken from a recent superbike planet article....



"All the other Ducatis were faster than his during the test," Stoner said about Rossi. "He wasn't worried about a single fast lap, but he is the lead rider on the team, and he should be the fastest before complaining so much. He needs to figure out why the GP12 performed well in the first test, and poorly in the second ... but I honestly hope they can turn things around, as it would be good for the entire championship."



and here is their translation.....



Pulling out the Ovaltine secret decoder ring, Stoner meant: "Hey, Vale. Quit yer bitching, mate. You're slow, lost and not getting any younger. I hope you have a good year because in the words of the immortal MC Hammer, you can't touch this."



Talps.....your rock is beckoning
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We all know Rossi is a conniving ....... who plays the part of a 'happy-go-lucky' kinda guy. What he fails to see is that, very many people see his true colors, except those that are blinded by the yellow cape that he wears as their super hero.



I'm still pissed off he broke his leg on purpose in order to not lose face against Lorenzo's championship run. ........
 
I think its fine that he doesn't get along with Rossi, as they have had bad blood between them. However, I think Stoner has crossed the line a few times thinking everybody is out to get him. There is a element of paranoid. If you keep eliminating friends because you "perceive" they are "slighting" you, eventually you'll end up friendless.

Thats his business. We all have different perceptions of what would be considered a slight. Stoner is not a new age Facebook kind of guy. The word friend probably means a hell of a lot more to him than most his age, who believe the world is in love with them because 1500 people clicked a tab on a social media sight. These people have a perception of reality that they are well liked, when in fact, 99.9% of these "friends" wouldnt piss in your ear if your brain was on fire.I would guess that Casey is perfectly happy with his circle, and couldnt care less who or what goes on outside that circle.
 
Thats his business. We all have different perceptions of what would be considered a slight. Stoner is not a new age Facebook kind of guy. The word friend probably means a hell of a lot more to him than most his age, who believe the world is in love with them because 1500 people clicked a tab on a social media sight. These people have a perception of reality that they are well liked, when in fact, 99.9% of these "friends" wouldnt piss in your ear if your brain was on fire.I would guess that Casey is perfectly happy with his circle, and couldnt care less who or what goes on outside that circle.

The only thing you know about Casey is that you are in love with him. You know .... all about him.
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The only thing you know about Casey is that you are in love with him. You know .... all about him.
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I know exactly the same as you, but i dont have fanboy worries about how many friends he has.I do love his skills though.
 
Why would anyone think Stoner is a paranoid? Stoner had a big issue with rider etiquette during free practice and qualifying sessions. He continued to escalate his issues until they were taken notice of by race direction. Since then rider etiquette has greatly improved and Stoner has had almost no issues since. It seems to me that riders complaining about tyres being unsafe is ok but Stoner complaining on safety grounds about riders riding slowly on the race line or blocking to get a tow is not ok.



They are also highly competitive individuals and EVERY single one of them say that when they pull the helmut on there are no friends. The difference between Stoner and some other riders is that Stoner NEVER puts other riders at risk even when competing at the limit which is difficult to say about some of the other riders.



If you were going to ask around the riders I bet very few of them would say that they enjoy or every actually sit around with Rossi. Capirossi no doubt did and so did the late Sic but I have never heard of any of the other riders claiming to be great mates with Rossi. It appears that Rossi is only friends with Italian riders and his entourage where as all the others seem to be friends regardless of nationality.





Complete ........ as usual. For the most part, none of these riders set out to put others at risk, but it happens. Stoner has had plenty of aggressive moves that were risky, that no big deal was made of it is more a testament to the other rider who accepts it as part of racing, however it doesn't mean risky moves didn't exist. When Stoner complains about these moves by others, thats when we all get to talking about it. I don't expect you to understand the nuance here because as usual, you have your head so far up Stoner's ... that you can't see what's what (which goes the same for other of your ilk). There are incidents where he has been correct in calling attention and complaining, but other incidents have been just out of wack and perceived from his own mind, this is what I would call "whining" (as oppose to rightful "complaining")-- that is were it crosses into paranoia. In fact, he himself has perpetrated some unsafe incidents (I'm sure you didn't seem them because you are blind to such episodes, just like a typical worshiping neobopper.) Newflash, when you proceed in badgering another rider with your motorcycle around the track, that is patently unsafe! I'll cite this incident like say DePuniet's boneheaded lolly-gagging to give props to Stoner for speaking up, but some other incidents he fabricated out of thin air, this is approaching paranoia. Its the incidents that are common and par for the course that he has a fit that are the problem, its here that he gets into trouble. Here is another newflash, Its dangerous ALL the time out on track. He has got the reputation from his whining (vs rightfull complaining) where he seems to express this entitlement that he just wants a clear track with nobody else on it. That's the perception he has created by whining on incidents that are rather unclear if not down right ......... Btw, I fully expect for him to offer up some gems this season, for which you will go ape .... whatever he deems a menace (CRTs or whoever) pisses him off, as surely you will be the empty cavern that echos.



Perhaps he hasn't had any issues lately because somebody prudent might have sat him down and said, dude, relax, not everybody is out to block you or .... with you on the tack. Its not YOUR track, so calm the .... down. Maybe he's growing up a little, realizing that now having a kid on the way, its not all about him. You want to say he has single handedly improved rider etiquette? You don't think Marco's death had anything to do with a bit of sobering?



As far as sitting down with buddies and saying Rossi has alienated past competitors except Italians. Stoner also had two decent teammates, Melandri and Hayden. He alienated both with his antics. So lets not start blowing more smoke up Stoner's ... as you love to do. You want to talk nationalities? Why don't you repeat your insult about "American Complex"? It seems safe as nobody called ........ on you. I won't say Aussies are worthless, just YOU are worthless. You've become worthless once you started worshipping Stoner as oppose to admiring the man as a vastly talented person, who like everybody, has some flaws.
 
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean the everyone isn't after you, and the barrage of criticism and detraction he copped for being the second youngest premier class winning the 2007 world championship, and then for being upset about another rider nearly taking him out at laguna seca 2008 would give anyone pause. I don't think he had much problem with rossi before that incident, btw.



However, he has more than proved himself now and has no need for any lingering resentment, I agree. He is what he is though, which is intrinsically less charming and likeable than valentino ( as is true of rather a large percentage of humans on the planet) and possessed of less sense of humour than valentino. I think his "us against the world" thing does motivate him though. His problems with valentino are partly cross cultural and language related imo, with each misinterpreting the other and on his side taking comments by valentino on occasion more seriously than they are intended.



Good point and excellent insight as usual Mike. Stoner understandably should have garnered resentment. And the barbs he now throws on occasion that express vindication are also understandable and to an extent , warranted. But there is also another element about this that manifest itself in incidents that are totally unrelated. When other riders are sharing the same track, he rightfully and wrongfully perceives that others are there solely to agitate him, that is, it seems he doesn't distinguish between the two. Unfortunately this gives fuel to his detractors, moreover, alienates those neutral players that had nothing to do with 07+, nor are out to get him now. That is, this "lingering resentment" has had a negative affect in the neutral segment of riders. In the spectator department, its also has had some negative affect; though the emergence of a cult like following from some Stoner worshipers has probably made more damage.



Again, that he doesn't get along with Rossi is fine by me. For me as an individual, not going to say Valentino is more "likeable" than Stoner, because for many years, the clown antics, glory pronouncements, and over the top celebrations, bothered me way more. Stoner's approach, for me was more comfortable, though now he has been engaged in the war of words lately via social media.
 
I know exactly the same as you, but i dont have fanboy worries about how many friends he has.I do love his skills though.

You are really detached from reality. You post about how he is this great loyal guy with his few true friends, bla bla bla, now you say youre not worried about his friends? Are you high or just really stupid?



Pov--'Stoner has some great friends that he really cares about, hes not like us, he really has great freinds because hes loyal and the rest of us just have thousands of friends who are not really friends, but I really am not concerned about Stoners friends.'



Again, you remind me of those closet republicans who go around denying they are gay until they are sucking somebody's .... in an airport bathroom stall. Hey, don't you have another thread you should be posting about the CRTs you care nothing about? They are testing today you know. I'm sure you didn't know, since you don't care about CRTs, or Stoner's friends, etc.
 
You are really detached from reality. You post about how he is this great loyal guy with his few true friends, bla bla bla, now you say youre not worried about his friends? Are you high or just really stupid?



Pov--'Stoner has some great friends that he really cares about, hes not like us, he really has great freinds because hes loyal and the rest of us just have thousands of friends who are not really friends, but I really am not concerned about Stoners friends.'



Again, you remind me of those closet republicans who go around denying they are gay until they are sucking somebody's .... in an airport bathroom stall. Hey, don't you have another thread you should be posting about the CRTs you care nothing about? They are testing today you know. I'm sure you didn't know, since you don't care about CRTs, or Stoner's friends, etc.

Doesnt bother me if he doesnt have a friend in the world. Your the one worried that he may end up friendless. I, unlike you, dont have these delusional fantasies that i am a part of a celebrities life because i stalk them at events. You are the epitome of the stalker fanboy who thinks that scurrying around the scene like a rat looking for celebrity crumbs somehow enhances your life.Its kind of sad really
 
Doesnt bother me if he doesnt have a friend in the world.



For a guy that claims it doesn't bother him, you're always in the mix of telling us about his friends. What other things don't bother you? What ever it is, we are surely going to hear about it. Sucking .... perhaps?
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Your the one worried that he may end up friendless. I, unlike you, dont have these delusional fantasies that i am a part of a celebrities life because i stalk them at events.



Oh that's right, you are 'boycotting' events. Another one of your curious deflections. Isn't there a bathroom stall at some airport you are "not worried about" or something?
 
Are you the same person that said this on Oct 24 last year?



I also am feeling regret for over criticizing any rider in this sport, for this I do apologize for they risk their lives every time they get out on track, more often than not our passion gets in the way of our better judgement, a Human trait, and only through such a Human tragedy can this awful trait be highlighted.



I knew then , that your magnanimity was temporary. I was right.



In no point here did I critic Stoner's persona or take cheap shots like I use to do
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This was a simple statement of fact.......Stoner created all of those incidents last season, I'm simply stating why threads like this exist in the first place, I do believe it will be interesting to see how Stoner copes with the CRT's this year, as we know how he is not in favor of having one of his quick laps interrupted-much moreso than any other rider. All facts-if you feel they are criticisms then you obviously feel that Stoner's behavior in these examples in acceptable, I will never agree, which does not make it a criticism, for even race direction agreed that his attitude needed to be sorted. And incidents like the Sic one highlight why.
 
Complete ........ as usual. For the most part, none of these riders set out to put others at risk, but it happens. Stoner has had plenty of aggressive moves that were risky, that no big deal was made of it is more a testament to the other rider who accepts it as part of racing, however it doesn't mean risky moves didn't exist. When Stoner complains about these moves by others, thats when we all get to talking about it. I don't expect you to understand the nuance here because as usual, you have your head so far up Stoner's ... that you can't see what's what (which goes the same for other of your ilk). There are incidents where he has been correct in calling attention and complaining, but other incidents have been just out of wack and perceived from his own mind, this is what I would call "whining" (as oppose to rightful "complaining")-- that is were it crosses into paranoia. In fact, he himself has perpetrated some unsafe incidents (I'm sure you didn't seem them because you are blind to such episodes, just like a typical worshiping neobopper.) Newflash, when you proceed in badgering another rider with your motorcycle around the track, that is patently unsafe! I'll cite this incident like say DePuniet's boneheaded lolly-gagging to give props to Stoner for speaking up, but some other incidents he fabricated out of thin air, this is approaching paranoia. Its the incidents that are common and par for the course that he has a fit that are the problem, its here that he gets into trouble. Here is another newflash, Its dangerous ALL the time out on track. He has got the reputation from his whining (vs rightfull complaining) where he seems to express this entitlement that he just wants a clear track with nobody else on it. That's the perception he has created by whining on incidents that are rather unclear if not down right ......... Btw, I fully expect for him to offer up some gems this season, for which you will go ape .... whatever he deems a menace (CRTs or whoever) pisses him off, as surely you will be the empty cavern that echos.



Perhaps he hasn't had any issues lately because somebody prudent might have sat him down and said, dude, relax, not everybody is out to block you or .... with you on the tack. Its not YOUR track, so calm the .... down. Maybe he's growing up a little, realizing that now having a kid on the way, its not all about him. You want to say he has single handedly improved rider etiquette? You don't think Marco's death had anything to do with a bit of sobering?



As far as sitting down with buddies and saying Rossi has alienated past competitors except Italians. Stoner also had two decent teammates, Melandri and Hayden. He alienated both with his antics. So lets not start blowing more smoke up Stoner's ... as you love to do. You want to talk nationalities? Why don't you repeat your insult about "American Complex"? It seems safe as nobody called ........ on you. I won't say Aussies are worthless, just YOU are worthless. You've become worthless once you started worshipping Stoner as oppose to admiring the man as a vastly talented person, who like everybody, have some flaws.



+1 Spot on
 
When other riders are sharing the same track, he rightfully and wrongfully perceives that others are there solely to agitate him, that is, it seems he doesn't distinguish between the two. Unfortunately this gives fuel to his detractors, moreover, alienates those neutral players that had nothing to do with 07+, nor are out to get him now. That is, this "lingering resentment" has had a negative affect in the neutral segment of riders. In the spectator department, its also has had some negative affect; though the emergence of a cult like following from some Stoner worshipers has probably made more damage.

We asked david emmett last year what the attitude of the paddock was to his (now possibly former) practice antics. His reply was that people thought he had a point about the closing speed thing but that he was being a .... about it, which is about the right call imo.



I think you are correct about alienating some neutral observers, in your case the incident with nicky which even I can't justify. Much more of it imo is that there is an element among rossi fans who hate him regardless of anything he does or doesn't do. An example was him being the at fault party in a recent thread in both the incident with de puniet and the incident with abraham, despite him being the one reacting in the de puniet thing and the one being reacted to in the abraham incident, with the conclusion concerning the latter incident drawn without the benefit of video footage or any independent account of what transpired.
 
Stoner created all of those incidents last season, I'm simply stating why threads like this exist in the first place, I do believe it will be interesting to see how Stoner copes with the CRT's this year, as we know how he is not in favor of having one of his quick laps interrupted-much moreso than any other rider. All facts-if you feel they are criticisms then you obviously feel that Stoner's behavior in these examples in acceptable, I will never agree, which does not make it a criticism, for even race direction agreed that his attitude needed to be sorted. And incidents like the Sic one highlight why.

No talpa, it is your opinion that he created those incidents last year. Also by your own argument since he was fined for the de puniet incident and not sanctioned for the others then he must not have transgressed in the other incidents
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Bringing up poor marco is pretty much the motogp equivalent of Godwin's law, but since you have brought it up accidents like that and the marquez thing imo prove stoner's point about the dangers of high closing speed, excessive though he may have been in prosecuting that point.



I actually disagree with both you and jumkie, a rare occurrence, that there has been significant danger from stoner's behaviour in most of the incidents you cite. I will concede the point that there does not need to be even infinitesimal danger if he doesn't react on track and makes his complaint off track. I also recall a couple of incidents just watching practice where he has come up on a slow rider and gone under him forcing him to stand the bike up of which I did disapprove, not because they were very dangerous but because a rider shouldn't have to stand the bike up when it is just practice.
 

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