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Norah Head
Ok ..... true ......... most Aussie's love to be called a Kangaroo ......... but I still feel there is a point to be made with this Passi sook.
Why the hate on Casey?
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Ok ..... true ......... most Aussie's love to be called a Kangaroo ......... but I still feel there is a point to be made with this Passi sook.
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Pangea
I wouldnt mind being a Kangaroo....they are pretty cool animals and have a very easy life
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Norah Head
I've been thinking about what Passi said .......... "cangaroo" ......... maybe he's just thinkin of a cold meat sandwich?
I've had a "sangaroo" years ago........... sandwich with sliced cured Kangaroo with a spicy wattle seed and lilly pilly sauce .........
I've had a "sangaroo" years ago........... sandwich with sliced cured Kangaroo with a spicy wattle seed and lilly pilly sauce .........
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Shovel's Club
For the record, I dont think there are any countries more racist than Germany. Sorry I am not basing this off wiki, just history.
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Pangea
I firmly believe if you could cull greed and racism from the human psyche it would solve 99% of the problems in the world.
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Norah Head
You are just being a historist Mdub!!
I spent a bit of time in Germany and I have to say I had a great time ........ all the women, young and old, were so nice
Seriously though I met some wonderful people there. I also met one guy who had decided I was an Armenian ........ and for that he didn't like me .......... I was actually wondering what it would be like if I was a real Armenian!?? .......... maybe you are right ??!
But then again I have met folk from our own country who are far worse than he was.
Its usually a very personal reason, when these folk like Passi, get abusive about nationality. In Passi's case he is just plain upset about Rossi.
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US
I think it was gutsy for Rossi to go to Ducati, in a way (even if he may have been looking for a way out of sharing a team with Lorenzo). For all we know, some part of The Doctor wanted to see if he could tame the Ducati like Stoner, maybe use his then-renowned development skills to churn out a better machine later. If this is true, then I would have to hand it to The Doctor for being a brave competitor (as if he wasn't anyway).
Everyone gets outclassed eventually, unless they quit while they're ahead. If this has actually happened, it's no reason to lose respect for Rossi.
I've never lost respect for Rossi's ability, tenacity, or motivation... and I actually think he has handled his slice if humnble pie with a lot of dignity.
Both he and JB gave me the ..... a little leading up to the start of 2011, with all the disrespect to Ducati and Stoner ........, but I think he has since acknowledged the great effort put in by the Ducati techs, and the ability of Stoner to win races on a bike that was seriously unstable.
Rossi has an ego the size of Texas, we all know it, and probably he knows it, but it is one of the things that has driven him to be as good as he is (is, was, whatever).
Rossi has pushed the right buttons to get a rise out of Stoner (probably leading back to Stoner's youth and being bullied as a kid), and both he and JB have publicly doubted Stoner's ability - which has whipped the Rossi faithful into hate games against Stoner. Same mind games Rossi has played in the past. The difference is that Stoner hasn't buckled and gone away, he has got stronger, and landed a seat on the fastest bike.
Stoner should see this as a compliment, as clearly he is seen as the biggest threat by Rossi.
I actually think away from the track and away from racing, probably they would get on ok, same with Lorenzo - but who knows.
Both he and JB gave me the ..... a little leading up to the start of 2011, with all the disrespect to Ducati and Stoner ........, but I think he has since acknowledged the great effort put in by the Ducati techs, and the ability of Stoner to win races on a bike that was seriously unstable.
Rossi has an ego the size of Texas, we all know it, and probably he knows it, but it is one of the things that has driven him to be as good as he is (is, was, whatever).
Rossi has pushed the right buttons to get a rise out of Stoner (probably leading back to Stoner's youth and being bullied as a kid), and both he and JB have publicly doubted Stoner's ability - which has whipped the Rossi faithful into hate games against Stoner. Same mind games Rossi has played in the past. The difference is that Stoner hasn't buckled and gone away, he has got stronger, and landed a seat on the fastest bike.
Stoner should see this as a compliment, as clearly he is seen as the biggest threat by Rossi.
I actually think away from the track and away from racing, probably they would get on ok, same with Lorenzo - but who knows.
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Tennessee
I think Stoner is one of those guys, who if he percieves you of slighting him or stepping over an imaginary line he has drawn, he wants nothing to do with you, ever.. These kind of people are loyal to a fault, and expect the same from anyone they are associated with, be it work relations or friendships. I would guess that Casey has few what you would call close friends, or mates as they call them, but the ones he has would be very close . Him and Jorge and Ben, have had
a little banter going on Twitter since his publicist convinced him to join, but nothing between him and Rossi. He just isnt one of those guys who needs people to like him.
a little banter going on Twitter since his publicist convinced him to join, but nothing between him and Rossi. He just isnt one of those guys who needs people to like him.
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Your Mom's House
I think its fine that he doesn't get along with Rossi, as they have had bad blood between them. However, I think Stoner has crossed the line a few times thinking everybody is out to get him. There is a element of paranoid. If you keep eliminating friends because you "perceive" they are "slighting" you, eventually you'll end up friendless.
And disliked.........which is why threads like this exist in the first place.
The man has rubbed many a fan and rider up the wrong way, even dangerously. He will never be 'liked' in that context, except by a number of his countrymen, but I'm sure he doesn't give a .....
It will be interesting to see him get on with the CRTs in practice..........if he pumps his fist at aoyama, tries to run Nicky off the track, jumps the fence to geer pointlessly, accuses Rossi of a tow despite him being way off and punches randy in the back he should have a great time this season.....
Are you the same person that said this on Oct 24 last year?
I also am feeling regret for over criticizing any rider in this sport, for this I do apologize for they risk their lives every time they get out on track, more often than not our passion gets in the way of our better judgement, a Human trait, and only through such a Human tragedy can this awful trait be highlighted.
I knew then , that your magnanimity was temporary. I was right.
Talps, a question for you and it is slightly off topic.
Did you watch the Adelaide V8 taxi club races?
http://youtu.be/WAiSUjd54lo
FWIW, I do not think that Stoner is as 'disliked' amongst the riders as some would like to believe, and yet others would have us believe.
My feeling is that yes, there is intense dislike between Stoner and Rossi, that is without question, but from all reports there is no such dislike between Stoner and any other rider (as reported) within the circus so to speak. It is widely known that he is extremely good friends with Chas Davies and from all reports regularly mixes with Ben Spies and Colin Edwards.
Yes he has had 'run ins' of sorts with a number of riders but from all reports he is still on friendly terms with tehse riders and has been reported to have shared jokes with some of then both at the track and socially (not including Abraham here as I have not heard).
As you and others have said, he may well be disliked but it is (I suspect) of little consequence and dare I say he is not alione in being disliked as there would be amongst all riders, other riders that simply do not get along for any variety of reasons as it is after all 'par for the course'
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean the everyone isn't after you, and the barrage of criticism and detraction he copped for being the second youngest premier class winning the 2007 world championship, and then for being upset about another rider nearly taking him out at laguna seca 2008 would give anyone pause. I don't think he had much problem with rossi before that incident, btw.
However, he has more than proved himself now and has no need for any lingering resentment, I agree. He is what he is though, which is intrinsically less charming and likeable than valentino ( as is true of rather a large percentage of humans on the planet) and possessed of less sense of humour than valentino. I think his "us against the world" thing does motivate him though. His problems with valentino are partly cross cultural and language related imo, with each misinterpreting the other and on his side taking comments by valentino on occasion more seriously than they are intended.
No question that Stoner is coiled a little tight, and is a pretty intense guy, but this is probably one of the things that sets him apart from the other riders.
It is also the thing that gets him in trouble with pissing people off.
Not sure if this is reliable, but remember seeing somewhere that Adriana and DePuniet's girlfriend Lauren Vickers are good friends, and that they spend a lot of time together. Remeber reading that Stoner tied to give RDP some assistance when he started as LCR and again when he was at Pramac.
It is also the thing that gets him in trouble with pissing people off.
Not sure if this is reliable, but remember seeing somewhere that Adriana and DePuniet's girlfriend Lauren Vickers are good friends, and that they spend a lot of time together. Remeber reading that Stoner tied to give RDP some assistance when he started as LCR and again when he was at Pramac.
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Dont Know
If you look back at Rossi's primary motogp rivals, starting with Biaggi, then Sete, Stoner, finally Lorenzo, isnt there a reasonably consistent pattern. It is inevitable neo. There can be only one. MacLeod.
Rossi fans hating stoner and his and rossi's relationship are a different thing though. I think they originally respected each other, but there now appears to be genuine mutual dislike with the interpretation by each of various comments made by the other coming into that, particularly those post laguna seca 2008 and post jerez 2011.
Mike, to me there is now an intense dislike, distrust and even disrespect (personal, not ability) between the two riders that has grown over time, but I am not so sure it had it 'roots' at Laguna so much as just 'developed' for a number of reasons, one of which I do totally agree is the cross-culture that you mention as it has likely lead to a number of misinterpretation in the early stages.
But for me, whereas Rossi plays this game a lot it is something new for Stoner and (IMO) the reason he takes it so personally from Rossi has a lot to do with what we saw in 2007 written on the championship t-shirt. On that shirt he listed Rossi as an idol and I do believe that he somehow very naively thought that Rossi would welcome him with open arms as he (Stoner) had shown his idolisation of Rossi.
Basically, to me he was an open eyed little kid who had suddenly beaten his idol and yet was still going to compete against him, but who expected that same idol to just accept it ................. very very country bumpkin naive.
Rossi reacted as a champion and competitor should do, he upped the ante so to speak and decided that he had to change his tact a little with Stoner and started to build the competitive wall that we have seen so often. It may well have been to late for 2007 but come 2008 we saw a different approach and attacks from Rossi that we had not seen for some years, he was exerting himself again as any champion would do.
No criticism of Rossi here either as for me I do believe that the cultures and personalities are vastly different and that in all likelihood they will never be firm friends, but no doubt the pure hatred will wane at some time as both realise how good the other was for their respective careers.
Funny thing is that Lorenzo, Stoner and Spies get on well and have mutual respect, and apart from previous tension between Pedrosa and Lorenzo, all four seem to be on reasonsable terms. It seems that Rossi was the common factor in all the bad blood over the years. The happy bouncing, clowny guy was actually the problem. I don,t recall any rider apart from Rossi doing the "You will never win another race" curse, as he did to Gibernau.
Why would anyone think Stoner is a paranoid? Stoner had a big issue with rider etiquette during free practice and qualifying sessions. He continued to escalate his issues until they were taken notice of by race direction. Since then rider etiquette has greatly improved and Stoner has had almost no issues since. It seems to me that riders complaining about tyres being unsafe is ok but Stoner complaining on safety grounds about riders riding slowly on the race line or blocking to get a tow is not ok.
They are also highly competitive individuals and EVERY single one of them say that when they pull the helmut on there are no friends. The difference between Stoner and some other riders is that Stoner NEVER puts other riders at risk even when competing at the limit which is difficult to say about some of the other riders.
If you were going to ask around the riders I bet very few of them would say that they enjoy or every actually sit around with Rossi. Capirossi no doubt did and so did the late Sic but I have never heard of any of the other riders claiming to be great mates with Rossi. It appears that Rossi is only friends with Italian riders and his entourage where as all the others seem to be friends regardless of nationality.
They are also highly competitive individuals and EVERY single one of them say that when they pull the helmut on there are no friends. The difference between Stoner and some other riders is that Stoner NEVER puts other riders at risk even when competing at the limit which is difficult to say about some of the other riders.
If you were going to ask around the riders I bet very few of them would say that they enjoy or every actually sit around with Rossi. Capirossi no doubt did and so did the late Sic but I have never heard of any of the other riders claiming to be great mates with Rossi. It appears that Rossi is only friends with Italian riders and his entourage where as all the others seem to be friends regardless of nationality.
