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Why the hate on Casey?

Saying what you want is fine but to say the rules were changed to hurt you and that the bike is chattering because of the added weight is a lie. The bike had the same problems the first time it was out fitted with BS 2012 hoops in Brno. Go look at his responses from after that test, same exact problem and even Yam and Duc had problems with the 2012 tires when they first tested them. They(honda) haven't been able to fix the problem yet so it's okay for him to insinuate that there is something shaddy going on? Most liars at least cover their tracks unless he completely forgot that he had tested those same tires and had the same problems with them when the bike was set at it's original design weight a long time ago in Brno.



You clearly havee an issue with Stoner and do not like the personality for some reason, no harm there.



But, on what basis of FACT do your base you claim he is a liar?



Do you know for FACT that the added weight is not, did not and does not contribute to the chatter?



You assertion seems to be that the bike when first tested had a chatter and just because it remains your claim is that ergo, Stoner is a liar to claim that the added weight causes it?



I say, that the added weight would definitely be playing a part and contributing to a range of problems with the bikes and may well have negated any forward progress made at Brno.



I say this having read numerous interviews after the Sepang tests and in most there is reference made to 'issues' that had not shown previously which means that whatever had changed between Brno and Sepang has had an effect on these machines (be that weight, tyres or any manner of development).
 
You clearly havee an issue with Stoner and do not like the personality for some reason, no harm there.



But, on what basis of FACT do your base you claim he is a liar?



Do you know for FACT that the added weight is not, did not and does not contribute to the chatter?



You assertion seems to be that the bike when first tested had a chatter and just because it remains your claim is that ergo, Stoner is a liar to claim that the added weight causes it?



I say, that the added weight would definitely be playing a part and contributing to a range of problems with the bikes and may well have negated any forward progress made at Brno.



I say this having read numerous interviews after the Sepang tests and in most there is reference made to 'issues' that had not shown previously which means that whatever had changed between Brno and Sepang has had an effect on these machines (be that weight, tyres or any manner of development).

Well his crew chief saying HRC isn't alarmed about the chatter and that it's on the schedule for the next test is enough for me. They already knew the bike has chatter, they even know what frequency it happens at. He also admitted that they have chatter at that track with the 800, not a big deal, and certainly no reason to go and imply that some one has benifited from the added weight while tthey have been punished. The chatter is their problem and for all we know if it was worst it could have been due to the new chassis they were testing. My bottom line is that Casey knows the testing schedule and why they still have chatter, HRC hasn't worked out the final chassis yet probably.

Please quote some of those interviews, what you read was probably the bike not having issues when on the 2011 tires as compared to the 2012 tires.

Remember they started this test on the old rubber.
 
You clearly havee an issue with Stoner and do not like the personality for some reason, no harm there.



But, on what basis of FACT do your base you claim he is a liar?



Do you know for FACT that the added weight is not, did not and does not contribute to the chatter?



You assertion seems to be that the bike when first tested had a chatter and just because it remains your claim is that ergo, Stoner is a liar to claim that the added weight causes it?



I say, that the added weight would definitely be playing a part and contributing to a range of problems with the bikes and may well have negated any forward progress made at Brno.



I say this having read numerous interviews after the Sepang tests and in most there is reference made to 'issues' that had not shown previously which means that whatever had changed between Brno and Sepang has had an effect on these machines (be that weight, tyres or any manner of development).



I agree that Honda are probably having a little difficulty with the extra kilos, Both Dani and Casey's overall times at the Sepang test weren't anywhere near as impressive as Jorge or Ben's, Dani was far closer to Rossi bar a couple of quick laps. Casey had one quick lap-thats it, the rest of his times were on par with Dani and even to a degree Rossi. Casey wasn't particularly happy because of this and I don't blame him, no one wins a title on one-off quickest laps. Yamaha are very strong and have adjusted well to the added weight. Ducati didn't need to adjust and are now on the right track. Stoner has every right to give the Honda engineers a shove.



From this I would say that Honda still have the donk and electronics but need to tweak one or two of their 9 or so frames, I'm sure it will be an adjustment easily made by this particular factory. Although the added torque is going to take some getting use to for the smaller riders.
 
Well his crew chief saying HRC isn't alarmed about the chatter and that it's on the schedule for the next test is enough for me. They already knew the bike has chatter, they even know what frequency it happens at. He also admitted that they have chatter at that track with the 800, not a big deal, and certainly no reason to go and imply that some one has benifited from the added weight while tthey have been punished. The chatter is their problem and for all we know if it was worst it could have been due to the new chassis they were testing. My bottom line is that Casey knows the testing schedule and why they still have chatter, HRC hasn't worked out the final chassis yet probably.



So his crew chief isn't alarmed and this makes Stoner a Liar how ?



Remember, you called him a liar not me and just because his crew chief is not alarmed as you say does not mean that teh situation is not present or valid.



Remember that Ducati management and crew were not alarmed throughout a number of years thinking the rider was to fault, only for the reality to finally hit home that they were wrong and the bike was the problem. The former is said as an example of technicians showing no alarm when they should have been seriously crapping themselves as the situation as it were was not 'minor' at all but major.





One does not know how 'minor' or 'major' the situation is with regards the chatter and still there remain many aspects to riding a motorcycle and fising the problem that science and data cannot replicate, thus 'seat fo teh pants' is still the best impression as to what works and what does not.









Please quote some of those interviews, what you read was probably the bike not having issues when on the 2011 tires as compared to the 2012 tires.

Remember they started this test on the old rubber.



Why should I quote them?



Your comment was that the bike had chatter problems in Brno when tested and you stated that Stoner was a 'liar' to appoint the problems at Sepang to the extra weight as it had been present at Brno.



The interviews I have read on a number of sites and resources are comparing their own respective machines between teh initial tests and Sepang - not Sepang day 1 to Sepang day 3 (which shoudl have been a difference with the 2011 vs 2012 tyres)
 
When I get chatter I slow down
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I agree that Honda are probably having a little difficulty with the extra kilos, Both Dani and Casey's overall times at the Sepang test weren't anywhere near as impressive as Jorge or Ben's, Dani was far closer to Rossi bar a couple of quick laps. Casey had one quick lap-thats it, the rest of his times were on par with Dani and even to a degree Rossi. Casey wasn't particularly happy because of this and I don't blame him, no one wins a title on one-off quickest laps. Yamaha are very strong and have adjusted well to the added weight. Ducati didn't need to adjust and are now on the right track. Stoner has every right to give the Honda engineers a shove.



From this I would say that Honda still have the donk and electronics but need to tweak one or two of their 9 or so frames, I'm sure it will be an adjustment easily made by this particular factory. Although the added torque is going to take some getting use to for the smaller riders.



I largely agree.



And with the expected further improvement from Ducati, Rossi has to be placed as title favourite. Failure to achieve this will be seen as a huge letdown. Honda are behind in development and only a superhuman effort from Stoner will achieve another title. The odds are heavily against it, but should it happen, then there can be no further arguments from the paleo-boppers.



For Rossi , failure again will condemn him to wsbk.
 
At the moment he seems to be upsetting valentino more than valentino is upsetting him anyway.
I think that is an extreme matter for conjecture given this "HRC" twitter response.



Horses for courses as you rightly suggested.
 
I still believe Rossi broke his leg on purporse to avoid competing against Lorenzo in Lorenzo's championship run. Rossi will go that far.



He's a conniving ........ Those that see it will see it.
 
Here's the real identification of WHO hates Stoner:



http://www.theyellow...casey-stoner.7/



Hilarious reading if you take it from the start, then read as Stoner starts winning. [YOU MEAN WHEN STONER STARTS WHINING.]



How the boppersview of Stoner changed when he clearly became a threat



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FAIL Selective reading as usual Barry. From the first page it was clear Stoner would be whining and people would be calling him out on it. They were extending good will, as you remember he was winning, its not till he started blasting others do you see a change in tone. He lost this crowd as soon as he started whining. Nobody likes a whiner except those oblivious to it. That good will you mention lasted all but 15 posts when he started whining on MCN. Not sure wtf you are talking about, but as usual, you're disconnected from reality. I was actually stunned to see just how early he started whining in 07 (we're not even gonna talk about his claims of sabotage). Something I had not detected in the past myself, but thanks for point out what I had missed. hahaha FAIL



First page: I don't know if anyone has seen this but when I read this my opinion of Casey dropped a bit.. I think he had a bit of a Max moment..
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(Sorry if there is any miss types... I typed it up as I was to lazy to try and find it on the internet..)



Stoner objects to pushy rivals-MCN



Casey Stoner blasted his MotoGP rivals after he was brought crashing back down to earth with a disappointing fifth place finish in Jerez. Looking to build on his stunning opening round success in Quatar, Stoner typically pulled no punches, blaming the over-aggressive tactics of some of his rivals for his failure to mount a serious podium challenge.



Carlos Checa and Marco Malandri were named as the culprits by Stoner, who said: 'Valentino has that extra little bit, but I believe I should have been on the podium. I have the package and the tyres at the end of the race, and if I had been there at the end we would have been stronger.



'People were outbreaking themselves and running me wide, then someone would come up inside of me and make me stand the bike up, then someone would be around the outside. If I hadn't been held up my Carlos and Marco, I would have been able to mow the leaders down a bit more towards the end of the race for a podium.'



He added: 'I think some of the riders I'm up against are overly aggressive in the beginning of the race. They just charge in there.'



Holy ...., this is from 2007 Jerez, very early in the season, and up until last year I thought the whining moniker was all just ......... Now i'm rethinking this.



FAIL Bary
 
FAIL Barry.
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Your attempts at trying to make me dislike Stoner will not work on me.
 
I must be right, given your reaction and the effort you have put in there jumkie.



But just remember, I am exonerated from any such fails ......... since you are the one controlling me ...... it is indeed you who has failed
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I agree that Honda are probably having a little difficulty with the extra kilos, Both Dani and Casey's overall times at the Sepang test weren't anywhere near as impressive as Jorge or Ben's, Dani was far closer to Rossi bar a couple of quick laps. Casey had one quick lap-thats it, the rest of his times were on par with Dani and even to a degree Rossi. Casey wasn't particularly happy because of this and I don't blame him, no one wins a title on one-off quickest laps. Yamaha are very strong and have adjusted well to the added weight. Ducati didn't need to adjust and are now on the right track. Stoner has every right to give the Honda engineers a shove.



From this I would say that Honda still have the donk and electronics but need to tweak one or two of their 9 or so frames, I'm sure it will be an adjustment easily made by this particular factory. Although the added torque is going to take some getting use to for the smaller riders.

No Talpa they have 18 Frames not 9.. Remember they have a $400 million dollar Budget, id debate you on this crap you write, but its pointless cos of your blind hatred for Casey. So instead ill just make grade 2 jokes about your ........ Assumptions about Hondas Budget.
 
This is the longest silly season ever and it feels like. I'm not coming back from Tulum til the racing starts.
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Is that on a Harley?



Yes “Harleys” Are .... all they do is make an obscene noise and are SoOo SLOW they are ridden by fuckwits that think that they have a “club” “tattoos” and they are fucken tough??? How delusional and wrong they are!!! Casey Stoner is the MAN there is NO ONE faster or better than him!!! And that is why everyone hates Casey!!! All YOU BOPPER learn and except Casey because HE’S HERE TO STAY AND PROVE VR, DP, BS, NH and whoever else is in motogp that he’s “THE BEST EVER”
 

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