What Jerry Burgess thinks

Just read this on MCN ... It's a recent quote from Jerry Burgess ...

“If I was running this championship right now I’d stop it, and I’d relegate the bottom six and bring the top six 250 guys straight in.

“That’s what I reckon should be happening. Anybody who is not performing there’s no point in going on with it.”


I could think of a few duds that should be relegated to the grandstands!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ Jul 10 2007, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just read this on MCN ... It's a recent quote from Jerry Burgess ...

“If I was running this championship right now I’d stop it, and I’d relegate the bottom six and bring the top six 250 guys straight in.

“That’s what I reckon should be happening. Anybody who is not performing there’s no point in going on with it.”
I could think of a few duds that should be relegated to the grandstands!
that put's the emphases purely on the rider, what about the poorer non performing teams like tech3 kr ect, wouldnt exactly tempt any new teams to come to the sport.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 10 2007, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>that put's the emphases purely on the rider, what about the poorer non performing teams like tech3 kr ect, wouldnt exactly tempt any new teams to come to the sport.
quite weird this .

when in donny we spoke to JB in the hotel whilst having a few drinks
( well you know , average evening happens all the time to me )

he said the same thing - make the gp class like a football league.

bottom 6 down top six of the lower division up

I think JB has had enough of seeing journeyman who are never going to win the championship hanging around. It would be very easy to choose 6 riders to disappear at the end of this year

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jul 10 2007, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think JB has had enough of seeing journeyman who are never going to win the championship hanging around. It would be very easy to choose 6 riders to disappear at the end of this year


only 6

Trouble is even the 'journeymen' in the top class only get lapped once, if at all (not counting Nicky at Donny or Colin at Le Mans which was different circumstances) so they aren't exactly .... are they?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jul 11 2007, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Trouble is even the 'journeymen' in the top class only get lapped once, if at all (not counting Nicky at Donny or Colin at Le Mans which was different circumstances) so they aren't exactly .... are they?
Depends on your definition of ..... Not getting lapped, by my definition is a very, very, very, very, very low standard, especially if were talking about the elite level of racing with the very best riders competing. Barros finished 36 secs behind Valentino in 6th, I guess he should be pleased he beat Melandri(who doesn't give a ....), not bad for guy in his 20th season. The journeyman are fast, but in this context they are not fast enough by a long way, they are .....

Heres my 6 I'd like to see sent to the WSBK graveyard
Checa
Tamada
Barros (WhyTF did he come back)
Edwards
Hoffmann
KRJR

If you're ever at a race and get the chance, tell Edwards "Hey at least you didn't get lapped", I'm sure he'd appreciate pummeling you

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jul 10 2007, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you're ever at a race and get the chance, tell Edwards "Hey at least you didn't get lapped", I'm sure he'd appreciate pummeling you


a couple of points to remember, at this level of racing there are not many riders in the world who can run within 3 seconds a lap of the fastest riders, most of the back of the grid are running within a second a lap, so .... they are not, !!
another point is , not all riders are there to win, there racing to develop parts ect, it's how some teams work ,so its not that people like edwards are slow there just doing a different job that is very much needed for the teams future.
the motogp grid is pretty thin as it is,so we should be trying to get teams in not banish them to the "grave yard" some of you think wsb is

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jul 10 2007, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Heres my 6 I'd like to see sent to the WSBK graveyard
Checa
Tamada
Barros (WhyTF did he come back)
Edwards
Hoffmann
KRJR

The funny thing is that putting these relative GP has beens into world superbikes would be a huge boost for the series, they can take GP rubbish and its like Christmas for them!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 10 2007, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The funny thing is that putting these relative GP has beens into world superbikes would be a huge boost for the series, they can take GP rubbish and its like Christmas for them!
i dont like your tone tom.
none of these riders are "rubbish" sure there not performing as well as rossi or stoner, but dont call any riders rubbish. they have all put a lot into our sport over the years.

Interesting. Lets put Rossi or Casey on the Tech 3 Dunlop team a few races and then ask Burgess which are the lowest performing 6 riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 10 2007, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting. Lets put Rossi or Casey on the Tech 3 Dunlop team a few races and then ask Burgess which are the lowest performing 6 riders.

haha, yeah he does seem to have forgotten that not all the riders have the same bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 10 2007, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i dont like your tone tom.
none of these riders are "rubbish" sure there not performing as well as rossi or stoner, but dont call any riders rubbish. they have all put a lot into our sport over the years.

yes of course, the list has world champions and excellent riders on it. The point was these are riders who could all be replaced in the motogp grid for equal or better riders, but in world superbikes they would be the be big news. I don't mean any disrespect to the riders particularly not the ones who have ha such success in the past, but i do feel like their bikes could be put to better use.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 10 2007, 08:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The funny thing is that putting these relative GP has beens into world superbikes would be a huge boost for the series, they can take GP rubbish and its like Christmas for them!
There you go again erroneously thinking MotoGP riders are the best in the world and WSBK is ..... You have such a narrow idea of how good the other racing series have in talent. You are what we call in baseball, a "homer", that is you never see past your own team. Well guess what, WSBK riders are very good, in case you forgot, one beat the entire GP field last year buddy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 10 2007, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There you go again erroneously thinking MotoGP riders are the best in the world and WSBK is ..... You have such a narrow idea of how good the other racing series have in talent. You are what we call in baseball, a "homer", that is you never see past your own team. Well guess what, WSBK riders are very good, in case you forgot, one beat the entire GP field last year buddy.

Bayliss spent three years proving that he is not good enough for GP, and has since proved himself to be the best superbike rider out there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 10 2007, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bayliss spent three years proving that he is not good enough for GP, and has since proved himself to be the best superbike rider out there.
Yeah, I'll buy that, however, what does this say about the current gap between platforms? I say the gap is narrow, so much so, that the lowest performer in GP are not gonna go out and win necessarily in WSBK. I would say Max was an above average GP rider, and guess what, he's above average in WSBK too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 11 2007, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

a couple of points to remember, at this level of racing there are not many riders in the world who can run within 3 seconds a lap of the fastest riders, most of the back of the grid are running within a second a lap, so .... they are not, !!
another point is , not all riders are there to win, there racing to develop parts ect, it's how some teams work ,so its not that people like edwards are slow there just doing a different job that is very much needed for the teams future.
the motogp grid is pretty thin as it is,so we should be trying to get teams in not banish them to the "grave yard" some of you think wsb is

You tell Edwards he's not there to win and you'd join rgvneil on the ground. I'm sure Edwards shoulders a lot of the devlopment duties, but Rossi has access to new parts first. Edwards gets them when they work. Edwards has given no impression that he will ever take this title. If he's so crucial to development than that should be his job, not racer.

When I talk about the list I gave, it's in the context of the top grand prix series. These guys are fast, talented riders, but in this context being 1 second a lap slower makes you ..... It just does. Finishing within 30 seconds of the leader is a great achievement, just not for guys whom have been racing at this level for many years. I know the sattelite squads don't have necessarily have the resources to compete with the factory bikes, but they should be used for developing riders, not wasting fuel.

I'm not banishing teams, just riders. DeAngelis, Dovisioso, Lorenzo, Toseland could come through as early as 08. 4 top quality riders, that want to win, not circulate. Toseland and Dovi could slot into a Gresini ride, DeAngelis on a D'antin. If anything keeping the 'circulators' on the bikes is preventing the sport from growing, there is very little incentive for Kawi or Suzuki to support another team when the fillers are all thats left to choose from. The journeyman have had their shot and it's time to move on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 10 2007, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I'll buy that, however, what does this say about the current gap between platforms? I say the gap is narrow, so much so, that the lowest performer in GP are not gonna go out and win necessarily in WSBK. I would say Max was an above average GP rider, and guess what, he's above average in WSBK too.

The gap isn't that narrow, since Biaggi can take a year out of racing, and win his very first superbike race. Since he has been above average but not setting it on fire, but the suzuki is outclassed by all but kawasaki and it is his rookie season. I'd like to see a superbike rider have that impact in gp, but it wont happen because motogp is too far ahead.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jul 10 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>, but in this context being 1 second a lap slower makes you ..... It just does. Finishing within 30 seconds of the leader is a great achievement,
thats a bit of a contradiction, 1 sec a lap over 30 laps is 30 sec from the leader, so is he .... or not

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 10 2007, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting. Lets put Rossi or Casey on the Tech 3 Dunlop team a few races and then ask Burgess which are the lowest performing 6 riders.
my point exactly jumkie.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 11 2007, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

running within a second a lap, so .... they are !!
all riders are there to win, edwards slow.
I quite like this method of quoting, supports everything I've written

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 10 2007, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well guess what, WSBK riders are very good, in case you forgot, one beat the entire GP field last year buddy.
yeah and i was there to see it, and guess what he's "old" too and still kicked everyones arses.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jul 10 2007, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i no i talk out of my arse most of the time, but im learning from you guys all the time. and that roger is a great bloke.
we can all play these games,