What if the Ducati GP9 dominates in 09?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 30 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They were not the same tires he Qualified on. SO Bahhh at you buddy.
Umm ill think you find casey was catching valentino up by putting in laps almost a second quicker at will everytime he got scared by nasty Mr Rossi and dropped back because he was not letting him just bugger off into the lead like he did in 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thom @ Sep 30 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Umm ill think you find casey was catching valentino up by putting in laps almost a second quicker at will everytime he got scared by nasty Mr Rossi and dropped back because he was not letting him just bugger off into the lead like he did in 2007
It's possible but out of most everyone on the grid except for maybe Capirossi I think Stoner is the least afraid of the big bad Rossi. Look it was a pretty cool race but you at least have to see the point. I am glad for Valentino but it seems his crew cheif is seemingly feeling a bit of something bad in his stomach cause he knows something most don't and that would be the tires he has vs. stoner. Could be wrong, could be right. You or anyone else on here can't really say unless your on his team.

If you look up the stats of the Laguna race you will see that Stoner was faster on most laps untill he crashed, albeit not by a whole second..
Also, Stoner put in the fastest lap of the race with a 1'21.488 on lap 15, right before he crashed..
Rossi's fastest lap was a 1'21.713 on lap 17.

Looks like he had plenty of pace..




btw, QP fast lap: Casey: 1'20.700
Rossi: 1'21.147

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 30 2008, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gotta keep the noobs in line brother

Fucken Hell XX CURVE XX

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 30 2008, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah Rossi will especially if they give him the tires and everyone else whatever ezy says they get. You might as well watch boxing.
Please feel free to stop watching the fix that you feel is Motogp and go off to enjoy WWF forums. At least no-one will argue with you whether that is fixed or not

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 30 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's possible but out of most everyone on the grid except for maybe Capirossi I think Stoner is the least afraid of the big bad Rossi. Look it was a pretty cool race but you at least have to see the point. I am glad for Valentino but it seems his crew cheif is seemingly feeling a bit of something bad in his stomach cause he knows something most don't and that would be the tires he has vs. stoner. Could be wrong, could be right. You or anyone else on here can't really say unless your on his team.

ROCKGOD01

I dont doubt for a second that it was in Bridgestones best Interests to make sure a Japanese Factory gets the best Japanese tryes, if ya no what i mean. I hope this .... doesnt happen next year, even with a Control Tyre i think there will still be the Haves and Have Nots in Motogp.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 30 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's possible but out of most everyone on the grid except for maybe Capirossi I think Stoner is the least afraid of the big bad Rossi. Look it was a pretty cool race but you at least have to see the point. I am glad for Valentino but it seems his crew cheif is seemingly feeling a bit of something bad in his stomach cause he knows something most don't and that would be the tires he has vs. stoner. Could be wrong, could be right. You or anyone else on here can't really say unless your on his team.
Hmmm, you're scattering this theorem across many threads, but with no substantiation. When has Burgess implied that Rossi has better tyres than Stoner? Either front up with the quote or leave well alone.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 1 2008, 05:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You or anyone else on here can't really say unless your on his team.

i think this ends all debate we ever had and will ever have on this forum.


unless you're on his team, and knows something we don't.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Sep 30 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as long as they are close, Rossi can makes up the difference.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 30 2008, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spoken like a true Rossi fan.

What you think Rog?

At Motegi Stoner and Pedrosa clearly had more straight line speed than Rossi, they where gapping him on the straights even when in the draft.

Being honest i don't see anybody else winning races in that position.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Sep 30 2008, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Please feel free to stop watching the fix that you feel is Motogp and go off to enjoy WWF forums. At least no-one will argue with you whether that is fixed or not
I actually have an answer for this in another thread. As I read your post here (even though it wasn't directed at me); I can't help but wonder are you aware that the process of the tire situation that has unfolded in the last 18 months hasn't been transparent? Why would that be?

If you don't think backroom deals are made for other than the most lofty reasons, then I'm afraid you may live in a fantasy world my friend. Things are skewed sometimes for the benefit of a special few and passed of as fair. Its the way of the world.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 1 2008, 06:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I actually have an answer for this in another thread. As I read your post here (even though it wasn't directed at me); I can't help but wonder are you aware that the process of the tire situation that has unfolded in the last 18 months hasn't been transparent? Why would that be?

If you don't think backroom deals are made for other than the most lofty reasons, then I'm afraid you may live in a fantasy world my friend. Things are skewed sometimes for the benefit of a special few and passed of as fair. Its the way of the world.
I agree that the tyre situation has not been transparent, this is what has led to many interesting conspiracy theories. However, this is not the tack that Rockgod took. He stated (without any substantiation) that Ezy ensures that only Rossi gets the best tyres and that Burgess is hinting that Rossi has had an unfair advantage over Stoner in the tyre department this year.

Lack of transparency regarding backroom deals is not the same as stating that one guy is effectively cheating. Hence my comments.

As far as things being skewed for the top teams/riders, I posted in the single tyre thread the rumour from WSBK that the lower teams are getting tyres from previous meetings that have already been heat cycled in tyre warmers and are no longer optimum. I do understand that a "level playing field" is sadly never really that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 30 2008, 03:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have a Lex type theory - I raised the idea and got a “hmmmm interesting” from lex about this – If Ducati were with Michelin and the Japanese manufacturers were with Bridgestone we would have a Europe v Japan motorcycle series.

Europe would have an American rider who is the prince of popularity in the world’s biggest market and the Japanese who spring most of the dollars and influence in motogp would be out in the cold. This is why I believe they went to the control tyre even after Ducati were forced by circumstance (IMO) to opt for Michelin. Just in case Michelin got it together and dominated again (they are capable of it). So the threw the baby out with the bathwater as a bit of an insurance policy against a potentially resurgent Michelin.

If Ducati had success I think what Dorna and Ezy sees is a drying up of Japanese dollars, the Japanese themselves would find it easy to offend European and American sensibilities (you all vote with your wallets) if they kicked up a stink and I think motogp would suffer for it.

Motogp works as a blend of Europe and Japan NOT Europe v Japan. This is IMO part of the reason why the single tyre was considered even AFTER Ducati’s magnanimous offer to go to Michelin.

Instead of a principled and somewhat Jeffersonian approach (governed least = governed best) Ezy is micromanaging the series at present and it would only be a truly miraculous sequence of events that would see another Ducati win. If Ducati did dominate there would be meetings and rule changes and so on.

I’m cheering for the boy's but this series will be like a burnt steak for Casey and Nicki. Hard, tough and the chips are stacked against them.

I'd love to see it though.

Yeah, I'm with you. What is this 40% rule and when did Ezy decide it was necessary? He's definitely trying to make it hard on Michelin.

Actually, I have to call my own bluff even though I want to believe it.

Bridgestone have asked for the 40% measure and Ezy probably agreed. Without it, Michelin could switch to supply only Marlboro Ducati. With Michelin/Ducati's budget and Stoner/Hayden at the helm, it wouldn't take long before Bridgestone was the second tier tire manufacturer once again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 30 2008, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ROCKGOD01

I dont doubt for a second that it was in Bridgestones best Interests to make sure a Japanese Factory gets the best Japanese tryes, if ya no what i mean. I hope this .... doesnt happen next year, even with a Control Tyre i think there will still be the Haves and Have Nots in Motogp.
oh please so stoner lost and rossi won because bridgestone gave rossi the good rubber and stoner the ......

I have viewed this forum for a long while but only recently start posting.
Why do all threads drift miles off topic and end up with conspiracy bollocks and tyre ........ f.f sake.

Ducati may find that throwing all their eggs into 1 carbon basket may be counterproductive. I know technology has moved on but back in the 500 days Cagiva thought they stole the march on everyone else with a Carbon chassis but was unridable due to being too stiff and giving no feedback.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lckwik350 @ Oct 1 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have viewed this forum for a long while but only recently start posting.
Why do all threads drift miles off topic and end up with conspiracy bollocks and tyre ........ f.f sake.

Ducati may find that throwing all their eggs into 1 carbon basket may be counterproductive. I know technology has moved on but back in the 500 days Cagiva thought they stole the march on everyone else with a Carbon chassis but was unridable due to being too stiff and giving no feedback.

I'm thinking in the same lanes but at the same time design software and production facilities has come a long way since then. So I won't rule out that it might work, but at the same time what's the huge benefit? The main parts of the frame is around the COG and it's not like overall weight is an issue, all they bikes weigh in at the limit anyway. They might be able to move some more lead around but I fail to see that becoming a domintaing factor.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Oct 1 2008, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>However, this is not the tack that Rockgod took.
Cool man, thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt. Keep in mind, all this stuff about tires is only one of many elements. To Yamaha's credit, they were able to make the bike work on both tires many times (not all the time, like frustratingly at Laguna & Brno, where Edwards sank and Lorenzo flew---flew off the bike that is). So despite the tires situation, Yamaha were able to produce a bike well rounded to their riders most of the time, evidenced by Lorenzos top for pre & post crashes, and Edwards at the beginning of the season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 1 2008, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh please so stoner lost and rossi won because bridgestone gave rossi the good rubber and stoner the ......
Haha. Looks like some of the crazy arguments you boys made up last year have been recycled, eh.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lckwik350 @ Oct 1 2008, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have viewed this forum for a long while but only recently start posting.
Why do all threads drift miles off topic and end up with conspiracy bollocks and tyre ........ f.f sake.
Sorry for the inconvenience, its just part of the fluid nature of people. stick around and make regular contributions, and friends, and you will see how side tracked you will also get sometimes. Have you ever had a beer with a few friends at the bar? Did you guys stay "on topic"? It’s a bit like that here man. Go with the flow.

Welcome to the forum.