What if the Ducati GP9 dominates in 09?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 1 2008, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry for the inconvenience, its just part of the fluid nature of people. stick around and make regular contributions, and friends, and you will see how side tracked you will also get sometimes. Have you ever had a beer with a few friends at the bar? Did you guys stay "on topic"? It’s a bit like that here man. Go with the flow.

Welcome to the forum.
No probs and cheers for the welcome!
Just seems, regardless of the topic, that after a few threads they all come down to 07 spec tyres and Rossi's sexual preferences.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 1 2008, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm thinking in the same lanes but at the same time design software and production facilities has come a long way since then. So I won't rule out that it might work, but at the same time what's the huge benefit? The main parts of the frame is around the COG and it's not like overall weight is an issue, all they bikes weigh in at the limit anyway. They might be able to move some more lead around but I fail to see that becoming a domintaing factor.


Everybody seems to view this change in terms of weight reduction - but I'm thinking it's weight re-distribution. Generally anything that allows weight to be lower to the ground - improves handling significantly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Oct 2 2008, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Everybody seems to view this change in terms of weight reduction - but I'm thinking it's weight re-distribution. Generally anything that allows weight to be lower to the ground - improves handling significantly.

True, it could be a small gain there, after all there isn't much wight in an alloy frame either. Remove the bearings and bolts and it weighs in at a few kg.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 1 2008, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

In a tard voice

"Did Stoner win"

"yeah yeah i think he did"

"In a tard voice" You are a ....... disgrace curve - here's hoping you fall of your tricycle and get even more brain damaged than you are now.

okay. i think it's now time to get back on topic and stop the tard subject. this goes to everyone

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Oct 2 2008, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>okay. i think it's now time to get back on topic and stop the tard subject. this goes to everyone

wow that was fast somedamnwriter - you must have a red light that goes off whenever the "F" word is detected...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Oct 2 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wow that was fast somedamnwriter - you must have a red light that goes off whenever the "F" word is detected...

nope, just so happens that i was able to read it right away.

and so it is clear for the two of us, and for everyone: this is not just about your post. or even about the F word.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 1 2008, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha. Looks like some of the crazy arguments you boys made up last year have been recycled, eh.
i think the facts speak for themselves in this season. last year stoner ,ducati, bridgestone caught the likes of rossi, yamaha. michilin sleeping. they put a crackng season together and won. there was just to much of a difference to catch up within a couple of races. but a season later and rossi ,yam with the stones caught right up put a cracking seaqson together 8 wins 4 2nds and a 3rd with 3 races to go. in fact rossi has only been off the podium twice and you comparing this to nickys title how ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 2 2008, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think the facts speak for themselves in this season. last year stoner ,ducati, bridgestone caught the likes of rossi, yamaha. michilin sleeping. they put a crackng season together and won. there was just to much of a difference to catch up within a couple of races. but a season later and rossi ,yam with the stones caught right up put a cracking seaqson together 8 wins 4 2nds and a 3rd with 3 races to go. in fact rossi has only been off the podium twice
Absolutely true and for me part of the appeal of the sport.

Unfortunately I am not sure this type of ebb and flow will continue under dorna, partly for genuine reasons such as that the rapid advance of technology really does quickly exceed the limits of the tracks, partly because I don't think they are really bike racing guys and don't understand this aspect of the sport. If they made motogp a series for honda 250 road bikes they would probably get closer racing. Actually I shouldn't suggest this, as valentino would very likely win as well .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Sep 30 2008, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Please feel free to stop watching the fix that you feel is Motogp and go off to enjoy WWF forums. At least no-one will argue with you whether that is fixed or not
Even more boring!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Oct 1 2008, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree that the tyre situation has not been transparent, this is what has led to many interesting conspiracy theories. However, this is not the tack that Rockgod took. He stated (without any substantiation) that Ezy ensures that only Rossi gets the best tyres and that Burgess is hinting that Rossi has had an unfair advantage over Stoner in the tyre department this year.

Lack of transparency regarding backroom deals is not the same as stating that one guy is effectively cheating. Hence my comments.

As far as things being skewed for the top teams/riders, I posted in the single tyre thread the rumour from WSBK that the lower teams are getting tyres from previous meetings that have already been heat cycled in tyre warmers and are no longer optimum. I do understand that a "level playing field" is sadly never really that.
Look you have to read this and just use your head for a second. I merely stated that it is plauseable that these things can happen behind closed doors and only a few would be able to pick out the things that may be different. If you go to the article on MCN about Burgess not liking the tire thing you have to listen to what he is saying and ask the why. These are the things smart people do when trying to find out what is happening. Anyone that is an investigator would do the same to find out why. THe problem is evident in that GP's tv ratings were going down the tube. That info was talked about last year by ezy himself and he even said there needed to be something in place to get it back up to snuff. Plus he did mention that Vale is the man of the sport so people like to see him in close races I think was how he worded it. All this is from interviews and articles I have read over the past few years. The whole thing smells fishy although I can't find the dying fish to show you. Some people question and some people just swallow that which they are told. Some on here act like the parent who found out their kid did something bad and deny it all together, "not my kid,". So you can substantite everything. Even in a real court of law you don't have to have the body to get a conviction. So I am just trying to point out some things that put up the red flags. Wouldn't it be nice to have true transparency though? I do think that no matter what the tires will be given out in such a way that the top guys will benefit so they can make sure their results will be positive for Ezy's liking. So I am not saying you have to believe me I am just saying open your eyes and read between the lines cause there may not be a body but the body of what used to be moto gp is missing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Oct 2 2008, 07:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"In a tard voice" You are a ....... disgrace curve - here's hoping you fall of your tricycle and get even more brain damaged than you are now.
He mean well he just likes to start .... and watch the whole thing blow up right in front of him. When he is being civil he is a pretty cool dude. Other than that he doesn't need to crash anymore.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 2 2008, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think the facts speak for themselves in this season. last year stoner ,ducati, bridgestone caught the likes of rossi, yamaha. michilin sleeping. they put a crackng season together and won. there was just to much of a difference to catch up within a couple of races. but a season later and rossi ,yam with the stones caught right up put a cracking seaqson together 8 wins 4 2nds and a 3rd with 3 races to go. in fact rossi has only been off the podium twice and you comparing this to nickys title how ??

I don't want to take anything away from Rossi because he really has ridden an amazing season.

BUT

Let's be real.

He switched to the dominant tire brand so he could fight with 1 rider. Stoner whooped him silly in the first race. At the next round Ducati were apparently upset with the way the bike performed so they showed up with a completely new package and new tires.

According to Suppo, when you're fighting Rossi/Burgess you must have some sort of competitive advantage. Would anyone like to fill me in as to what competitive advantage was lost between Qatar 2008 and Jerez 2008 such that Ducati would turn the bike upside down with new parts?

<span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%I'M WAITING!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 2 2008, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't want to take anything away from Rossi because he really has ridden an amazing season.

BUT

Let's be real.

He switched to the dominant tire brand so he could fight with 1 rider. Stoner whooped him silly in the first race. At the next round Ducati were apparently upset with the way the bike performed so they showed up with a completely new package and new tires.

According to Suppo, when you're fighting Rossi/Burgess you must have some sort of competitive advantage. Would anyone like to fill me in as to what competitive advantage was lost between Qatar 2008 and Jerez 2008 such that Ducati would turn the bike upside down with new parts?

<span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%I'M WAITING!


.... off lex ! what do you mean you dont want to take anything away from rossi ? you have openly stated this season was a fix !

i will tell you why suppo said that, because he knows he is up against a top level team with many more years experiance then themselves. thats why he said they need an advantage to win.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 2 2008, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i will tell you why suppo said that, because he knows he is up against a top level team with many more years experiance then themselves. thats why he said they need an advantage to win.

Exactly, its impossible to win without a net advantage and Suppo believes that its easier to differentiate yourself from the competition than it is to try and mimic them and win. Both approaches have worked in the past and will in the future.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Oct 1 2008, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>okay. i think it's now time to get back on topic and stop the tard subject. this goes to everyone
Sorry Damn, Just have to say, Rog you are a tard.

Ok, now we can go back on topic.

Uhm, what is the topic anyway?

Oh yeah, Rossi is the bestest..est ever.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 2 2008, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... off lex ! what do you mean you dont want to take anything away from rossi ? you have openly stated this season was a fix !

i will tell you why suppo said that, because he knows he is up against a top level team with many more years experiance then themselves. thats why he said they need an advantage to win.
Surely you canbelive that when your fighting for Rossi and the SSSuper team he has. But when you really are ubiased as best as possible and you read between the lines you can't help but wonder the situation we have. The possibility of the advantage must be real and needed since it is Rossi the media great for ratings juggernaut. So as much as you say there is no foul play behind the scenes where is your proof in that direction? Safe to say were are all right or all full of .... so you just speculate like the rest of us.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 2 2008, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Surely you canbelive that when your fighting for Rossi and the SSSuper team he has. But when you really are ubiased as best as possible and you read between the lines you can't help but wonder the situation we have. The possibility of the advantage must be real and needed since it is Rossi the media great for ratings juggernaut. So as much as you say there is no foul play behind the scenes where is your proof in that direction? Safe to say were are all right or all full of .... so you just speculate like the rest of us.
it's not for me to prove there is no conspiracy, its for the peeps who say there's is a conspiracy to prove it. innocent until proved guilty, he who accuses proves !
all this , its engineered rossi wins for viewing rates is ........, prove it or shut the .... up you <strike>tards</strike>. sorry jane it slipped out

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 2 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its engineered rossi wins for viewing rates is ........, prove it or shut the .... up you <strike>tards</strike>. sorry jane it slipped out
Calm down you <strike>tard</strike> turd. Rossi won because Stoner fell (you know, just like Rossi at Valencia). Hehehe

(ah, hahaha, I don't even have to invent excuses, you boys came up with all of them the last two years for me).