Valencia GP 2013, Season Finale: RACE (spoilers)

basspete · Nov 11, 2013

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No, he crashed because of a marshal not signaling wet track. It was one of the local shower in Malaysia. This is where MM had blurred and double vision after the crash.

That and the Wilairot incident are unrelated.

Thanks fo that, I'm getting my Marquez crashes mixed up, So many to choose fom!

Jumkie · Nov 11, 2013

.... this thread.

14X · Nov 11, 2013

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THE TEST i'll tweet stuff as i see it. stuck in the house.

Haystack no show today at the test.

<span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;background-color:rgb(252,252,252);#69 tweet = We have one bike for this test so my teammate will ride half a day today & me tues & Wed! Sorry but we must wait one more day

<span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;background-color:rgb(252,252,252);Naughty Dont ever complain again #99 peddler very luck to stay on it.

By the same chalk, anyone who thinks Marquez's pass in Jerez was ok doesn't have a leg to stand on when criticising this. (Not aimed directly at Pigeon as I don't even know where he stands on Jerez, more of a general point)
Pigeon

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peddler 2014 inc go faster battery pack

You're wrong, that's a booster seat.

Whenever I watch testing, I'm always surprised not one team goes 'wow our bikes look ....... outstanding in matte black, why don't we keep them like that?' The Ducati in particular looks like Satan's own crotch rocket. (in a good way)

yakamoto san · Nov 11, 2013

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I don't understand why Nick is not testing till tomorrow. Reding is not 100% and the Japanese dude is slow.

don't think gresini would be to happy to lend aspar there bi.ke

eltoro · Nov 11, 2013

Honestly, I don't know why you guys are so eager to see Hayden on the production racer. Is he faster than Aoyama? For sure yes. But I don't find Nakamoto's assertion that Stoner lapped around .3 secs of the prototype in the private test in Japan entirely accurate, I think that time was embellished. Stoner is a great rider, no doubt, but I think today's time from Aoyama is more representative of what the proddy bike's pace will be. I don't think Hayden's test times will be that much faster, 2 to 3 secs off the Honda/Yam prototypes are about what I expect (around the pace of Ducati)..

chopperman · Nov 11, 2013

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Honestly, I don't know why you guys are so eager to see Hayden on the production racer. Is he faster than Aoyama? For sure yes. But I don't find Nakamoto's assertion that Stoner lapped around .3 secs of the prototype in the private test in Japan entirely accurate, I think that time was embellished. Stoner is a great rider, no doubt, but I think today's time from Aoyama is more representative of what the proddy bike's pace will be. I don't think Hayden's test times will be that much faster, 2 to 3 secs off the Honda/Yam prototypes are about what I expect (around the pace of Ducati)..

And this is the reason we are interested in Haydens times. See if it gives us some clue as to the potential of this bike.

barbedwirebiker · Nov 11, 2013

The proddy was probably .3 seconds off slowest proto lap. Over 1.5 behind fastest or something like that

the-insider · Nov 11, 2013

chopperman

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And this is the reason we are interested in Haydens times. See if it gives us some clue as to the potential of this bike.

Exactly this.

the-insider · Nov 11, 2013

barbedwirebiker

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The proddy was probably .3 seconds off slowest proto lap. Over 1.5 behind fastest or something like that

The best time of the proddy was .3 off the best time of the factory bike.

chopperman · Nov 11, 2013

the-insider

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The best time of the proddy was .3 off the best time of the factory bike.

This is where i get confused. This years factory bike at the same track or next years factory bike being developed ? I didn't think those lap times were known by anybody other than peeps developing the bike and are closely guarded ?

the-insider · Nov 11, 2013

It was next years bike, in its final version.

chopperman · Nov 11, 2013

the-insider

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It was next years bike, in its final version.

Thanks for clearing that up. Am i correct then in saying we don't know the official lap times of this factory bike but are assuming them as its been stated the proddy was 0.3 sec slower ?

eltoro · Nov 11, 2013

You guys actually are salivating over a (albeit magical) .3 from this bike? Seriously, that time is like pure spin to my ears from HRC. I think you guys are overestimating how much Hayden can extract from this bike. Hayden's pace will be way more near Aoyama's than anywhere near .3 of a prototype.

Big Jorge · Nov 11, 2013

Got to remember it was Casey who set the 0.3 off time, who is one of the best bike riders ever.

chopperman · Nov 11, 2013

Big Jorge

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Got to remember it was Casey who set the 0.3 off time, who is one of the best bike riders ever.

But was it casey setting the time on the proddy and another test riders times from the proto used to give the 0.3 difference ??

the-insider · Nov 11, 2013

Big Jorge

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Got to remember it was Casey who set the 0.3 off time, who is one of the best bike riders ever.

You are forgetting that he also tried it with the softer tyre, and got within 0.17 of his best factory lap, I completely agree that Casey is one of, if no the best ever, but Nicky can run 1.2 of the front on a Ducati, the production bike is much better than that.

the-insider · Nov 11, 2013

chopperman

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But was it casey setting the time on the proddy and another test riders times from the proto used to give the 0.3 difference ??

No, Casey's best laps on both bikes.

chopperman · Nov 11, 2013

the-insider

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No, Casey's best laps on both bikes.

That's is interesting, but were the proto lap times published or are we assuming them from the 0.3 statement? I'm not trying to be a nay sayer here or trying to discredit anyone. I'm just trying to establish whether there is a possibility of HRC spin. They are trying to sell a race package after all.

the-insider · Nov 11, 2013

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That's is interesting, but were the proto lap times published or are we assuming them from the 0.3 statement? I'm not trying to be a nay sayer here or trying to discredit anyone. I'm just trying to establish whether there is a possibility of HRC spin. They are trying to sell a race package after all.

In my opinion HRC would not try and sell a bike on spin, that is very bad business practice, the times were not published, but I understand they were right on record pace, they would have to be to get any real feedback, from what I understand, the reason they keep Casey for testing (and he aint cheap) is his ability to push to the limit even in testing.

kiddyK · Nov 11, 2013

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Japanese will always get preferred treatment by Honda, and the other bike belongs to GresinI not Aspar.

Aspar, being the team Hayden and Aoyama work for...

Are you in special school?

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