The future of Dani

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 3 2009, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Rossi was a man, he'd do it for free. And once and for all prove he is the GOAT. But he's not and he won't.

I think they might be too smart for this bait, Jum. But hey, I give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to intellect around here and I'm proved wrong on a daily basis.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Jun 1 2009, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1st Don't let your hatred for Dani blind you, what you wrote there is FALSE. A lie.

Since he set a foot on MotoGP he's always been the quickest Honda rider by far.

Don't let your love for Dani blind you. Does this include 2006?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jun 3 2009, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think they might be too smart for this bait, Jum. But hey, I give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to intellect around here and I'm proved wrong on a daily basis.

Says the guys who has tried to dialogue with pinky and aliases.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 3 2009, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Says the guys who has tried to dialogue with pinky and aliases.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jun 3 2009, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to intellect around here and I'm proved wrong on a daily basis.
Like I said...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jun 3 2009, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Like I said...
You crack me up man. You missed out on your boy this weekend. He was in Spies garage just chilling and then kicking it with the folks at the track.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 3 2009, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> You crack me up man. You missed out on your boy this weekend. He was in Spies garage just chilling and then kicking it with the folks at the track.
From what I've seen and read from your other thread, it looks like it was a blast. I really wanted to get out there but money's tight at the moment. Hopefully someday I'll have the funds to be apart of a proper PowerSlide get together. I'll cross my fingers for something next summer.

Pedrosa isn't going anywhere because Lorenzo isn't going anywhere. Frankly I think it just depends on how Bautista performs in MotoGP for the first couple of seasons, if he is great, he'll get signed by Repsol team, if not, then the search goes on. Or Repsol won't give a .... about attracting a Spanish contender in the mean time if Dovi becomes a World Champion for them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Jun 2 2009, 05:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1st Don't let your hatred for Dani blind you, what you wrote there is FALSE. A lie. Dani despite no pre season testing has beaten Dovi comfortably, and leads him in the championship standings. Since he set a foot on MotoGP he's always been the quickest Honda rider by far.

2nd he has NOTHING to prove to Honda, as HRC chiefs have admited if anyone is to blame for not winning a championship it's themselves (and Michelin).

You're deluded if you think Dani would go to a non factory team considering he is in the worst case scenario the 4th best rider in the grid.

Yeah Repsol is a Spanish company, that said, they have no power to chose a rider, in 2004 when Gibernau looked like the only one that could challenge Rossi, Repsol publicly demanded HRC to tak Sete, Honda said sponsors wouldn't take decisions in their team and proceeded to leave Sete out of Repsol Honda. So that spot is not restricted to Spaniards.

In the UNREALISTIC case Dani was fired from HRC . That would only be to sign a better (as in less fragile) rider. Now the question is why would any of top 3 leave their current bike for a worse one??

Stoner has a team that's devoted to him and a bike that suits his style perfectly. Lorenzo and Rossi have the best bike, they've had it for 2 seasons jumping to Honda seems not a good idea if you're looking for performance.

If any, I think it would be Rossi, he's got the skills and the crew to develop a bike, he's towards the end of his career, and he still owes a lot to the Italian tax agency so IMO he would be the one most tempted to accept a big $$$ offer from Honda.
Good post. Even Dovi has acknowledged publicly that he's not at Dani's level at the moment.

People are allowing their hate for Dani to cloud their judgment. Yes, he's not likeable, but he's a very bloody good rider.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Jun 4 2009, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he's not likeable, but he's a very bloody good rider.

+1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Jun 4 2009, 06:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>People are allowing their hate for Dani to cloud their judgment. Yes, he's not likeable, but he's a very bloody good rider.

Finish this sentence.

But he's a very bloody good rider when...

when he is healthy
when his setup is right
when he is out in front
etc...

He has a real problem with staying healthy lately. He's not a good rider injured and he is not a good rider chilling in the hospital or rehab.

Because of this he hasn't been able to achieve a proper setup. And because of that he hasn't been able to run away with any races.

Dani is a good rider but how good is he going to be in Catalunya? How good is he going to be when he tries to come back too soon? How long is it going to take him to come back from these injuries? How long till he is re-injured and can't make the next start? Some very good questions to consider regarding the future of DP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Jun 3 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Or Repsol won't give a .... about attracting a Spanish contender in the mean time if Dovi becomes a World Champion for them.
History does not support your claim.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 4 2009, 07:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because of this he hasn't been able to achieve a proper setup. And because of that he hasn't been able to run away with any races.

Dani is a good rider, like most people think, his performance backs this up. But he's not the excellent rider that some think. For a rider who's had it all go his way in the area of a team/company which has moved heaven and earth around his needs, he hasn't achieved a mirror image of that support.

Put Dani on a Suzuki and I doubt he would beat Loris. Most followers of MotoGP never factor in the mouse trap. .... Dani, I'm not impressed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 4 2009, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... Dani, I'm not impressed.
Agreed. He has a 15+kg advantage on the average rider on the grid. That is a MAJOR factor in his sucess. It not only helps acceleration and top speed, but also allows him to brake faster.
Rider weight minimums I say!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jun 4 2009, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed. He has a 15+kg advantage on the average rider on the grid. That is a MAJOR factor in his sucess. It not only helps acceleration and top speed, but also allows him to brake faster.
Rider weight minimums I say!

Well some would say it makes it harder to rider a bike with his little weak arms. But my answer to that is, hence they made the bike smaller. Either way, you can't be a champ until you put an ENTIRE season together. A moment of brilliance a title doth not make.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jun 4 2009, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed. He has a 15+kg advantage on the average rider on the grid. That is a MAJOR factor in his sucess. It not only helps acceleration and top speed, but also allows him to brake faster.
Rider weight minimums I say!
Doesn't help him in the wet though, and it can have a negative effect upon drive and traction even in the dry. I remember this same argument being leveled at Capirossi of all people when he first moved up to 500's in '99 I think, and he was understandably at pains to point out the latter. I also attribute a certain amount of Toni's problems this year to his diminutiveness.

Pedrosa, like Kato was a poor wet weather rider. Dani has shown a tremendous capacity to adapt and learn, and I disagree with a previous assertion that he is unable to ride around problems. I wouldn't describe him as a specialist, but his wet weather abilities now exceed those of the majority of his competitors. His ride last year at Sachsenring was inspiring until he went down under braking.

Remember Clark, a rider such as Marc Márquez who weighs something ridiculous like 50kg's is probably carrying 10-15 kilos ballast. In certain exceptional circumstances this can be distributed to favour the set up of the machine, but in general presents him with a handicap to negate his presumed lightweight advantage.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 4 2009, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>History does not support your claim.


Hayden situation, yes. But didn't Rossi leave b/c he felt HRC attributed winning more to the quality of the bike instead of rider talent? Biaggi just didn't perform well. I mean it's understandable that Repsol wants a Spanish rider, but they have had a history of hiring and staying with non-Spanish riders.

It's only been recent that Repsol has intensified their search for Spanish talent (arguably b/c of Pedrosa's and Lorenzo's success in the 250 class). Just look at all the riders that have ridden for them over the years, lots of non-Spanish riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 5 2009, 12:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Finish this sentence.

But he's a very bloody good rider when...

when he is healthy
when his setup is right
Gotta disagree with you there, mate.

He was injured in Japan and still managed a great result. Similarly, in his rookie year, I remember he scored a podium after busting his knee in practice. I can't remember which race it was, but Loris and Vale were on the podium too.

On your other point, in 2008 and 2009 he missed a significant part of the pre-season through injury and didn't have as much time as his competitors to reach a good set up. Yet he still was on the podium in the first race.

Dani Pedrosa is an excellent rider.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Jun 7 2009, 05:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani Pedrosa is an excellent rider.

I don't like him much but I agree with you.

Anyone who watched him come through to motogp surely can't say otherwise

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Jun 7 2009, 05:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gotta disagree with you there, mate.

He was injured in Japan and still managed a great result. Similarly, in his rookie year, I remember he scored a podium after busting his knee in practice. I can't remember which race it was, but Loris and Vale were on the podium too.

On your other point, in 2008 and 2009 he missed a significant part of the pre-season through injury and didn't have as much time as his competitors to reach a good set up. Yet he still was on the podium in the first race.

Dani Pedrosa is an excellent rider.
Sepang as I recall, when Rossi took the chair up on the rostrum and sat Loris on his lap.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 7 2009, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sepang as I recall, when Rossi took the chair up on the rostrum and sat Loris on his lap.

and the vale haters went wild!