Joined Oct 2006
25K Posts | 4K+
Your Mom's House
You didn't quite answer my question, because then you'd have to verbalize that NONE are allowed to deliberately take a rider out on their own 'perception' as to what the other is doing or why. This is why HARD RACING is allowed and NEVER is it acceptable to take an action against a rider to eliminate him from the competition.
Now I'll answer your question above. Which you have worded in a way to trap yourself, much to my amusement. The answer is NO rider should be allowed to "attack the integrity of the sport", clearly Rossi did by his deliberate act of violence! NO rider should be allowed to race "fix", clearly Rossi did by deliberately crashing out another rider and eliminating potential points he would have otherwise lost. That IS race "fixing" via eliminating rivals. And, NO rider should be allowed to crash another out and placing them in a predicament of eminent danger on a hot track, in an impact zone because "he [ROSSI] is losing his title."
Thank you for wording your question that way. Made it a pleasure to volley it back to you.
What was that about Stoner not trying on the 2010 Ducati?
You have still failed to produce a comment from anyone at all before Rosso's paranoid outburst last Thursday.
I also fear you will have to wait for the sport to have no existence other than as a video game for there to be rules against race- fixing by means of actually racing.
Joined Oct 2015
2K Posts | 827+
Texas
IMO, it would definitely not have been Iannone's place to say anything before Rossi. The only people not taking Iannone's comments seriously are those that are biased against Rossi. The man is entitled to his opinion and he was out there on the track so I give his opinion even more weight than Spies'.
Joined Oct 2015
2K Posts | 827+
Texas
It didn't really volley back to me, because as you know I don't believe Rossi is guilty of crashing out Marc. While watching the incident live, I thought Rossi was guilty (via brake checking), but after I had time to see all the replays I formed the opinion that Rossi only ran Marc wide. Marc wasn't left in a position where he had no choice on how to react, it was just that once
again he chose an action that resulted in contact which put him on his .... Rossi slowing down and taking Marc was doesn't classify as an act of violence in my book, but if it does in your's... more power to ya.
So now they were trying to fix a race so that Lorenzo could win but unless I am mistaken, Lorenzo did not win the race, nor the PI race.
Race fixing is not fighting for position as if that is the case than EVERY rider has done it from time to time as they battle for position in order to finish in FRONT of the other rider.
Now, unless I am also mistaken when the incident occurred there were still a significant amount of laps to go which also goes some way to destroying any race fixing allegations as you cannot fix an event in the first 20% as quite simply (again), the remaining time and race laps cannot be predicted and in order to fix a race you need to be able to predict the result.
No, you think it was fixing because of what Rossi has stated (but you may also note that nowhere has he mentioned race fixing as he knows the difference.
Suggest that you research better on what or how to fix sports events as what has occurred or is alleged to have occurred (take your own sides) is not fixing
Actually, how do we know that VR hadn't alluded to a mate of a mate that he would knock Marquez down on lap 7 so he arranged a few bets and made cash?
The answer is that my scenario is just as fanciful as yours regarding fixing.
So Stoner wasn't trying on the 2010 Ducati, because Valentino very definitely said that whilst racing with him on the track.
Joined Oct 2012
3K Posts | 725+
Crab Key
So now you actually say it is down to belief, which has been the contention of those you debate all along.
But if he were so aggrieved why not comment before Rossi ........... why wait for Rossi if they were thinking or acting independently?
Nice attempted dig by the way but I will throw it around for you, the only people who are mentioning the Ianonne comments and are saying that he is correct are the Rossi fans.
See, it was easy ................. you see it one way where I see it the other which makes me biased against Rossi ............ perhaps it is you that is biased against Marquez and anything/everything that threatens the 'rights' of Rossi to a 10th title
Joined Oct 2015
2K Posts | 827+
Texas
Joined Oct 2006
25K Posts | 4K+
Your Mom's House
Wrong. There is a rule against race fixing by deliberately crashing out another rival. Don't you see that? This is why Rossi was given the least possible penalty. 3 points on a ........ system that was created a few years ago. Which would of meant no practical consequence, as he would have taken the field as if nothing had ever happened, as if he had never deliberately crashed out another rider. Since he had 1 point already is why he starts from the rear of the grid. Crashing out rivals to race fix, something that definitely does not have an illustrious history.
Last edited:
Joined Apr 2011
1K Posts | 87+
Pangea
When Rossi does it (Motegi 2010) "that's racing"
When Marquez does it (Sepang 2015) "that's sabotaging"
Moto, just to continue down the alleged race fixing path.
If a rider moves out of the way for a passing rider .......... is that not the same thing as has been suggested of Marquez who (according to allegations) is actually fighting to slow riders.
See to me, both are the same and yet one one hand we have a rider being abused, threatened and harrassed for allegedly slowing a rider, but on the other we have the same critics (not saying you personally) who are lauding the fact that riders may step out of Rossi's way to make his path easier.
As such, if that were to occur should each and every rider be charged with (your version) or race fixing, and shouldn't also Rossi be charged as complicit ?
See, to me it is not race fixing
If a rider moves out of the way for a passing rider .......... is that not the same thing as has been suggested of Marquez who (according to allegations) is actually fighting to slow riders.
See to me, both are the same and yet one one hand we have a rider being abused, threatened and harrassed for allegedly slowing a rider, but on the other we have the same critics (not saying you personally) who are lauding the fact that riders may step out of Rossi's way to make his path easier.
As such, if that were to occur should each and every rider be charged with (your version) or race fixing, and shouldn't also Rossi be charged as complicit ?
See, to me it is not race fixing
Good, actual evidence to refute a claim I personally did not make anyway. If you have any actual evidence for most of the rest of your claims you have not produced it, however,
Joined Oct 2006
25K Posts | 4K+
Your Mom's House
I think I read somewhere that Iannone was on his 9th engine. I'm sure they bolted a fresh one for Valencia. As Ducati have an interest in helping Yamaha...apparently.
Joined Oct 2015
2K Posts | 827+
Texas
Again, making an accusation against Marc for attempting to slow down Rossi is not his place if Rossi had not said anything first. We can see all the emotions that got stirred up when Rossi said it, what if Rossi didn't want to go public but Iannone took it public?
Iannone didn't need to take into consideration "well maybe some random people on an internet forum wont believe me" when he gave his opinion and observations on the PI race.
Last edited:
Joined Oct 2006
25K Posts | 4K+
Your Mom's House
Convenient excuse. What next, he's going to claim his tire was overheating?
Joined Oct 2015
2K Posts | 827+
Texas
Joined Oct 2015
2K Posts | 827+
Texas
I had no idea that people are suspect of Iannone's bike having a busted radiator. That's news to me.
Similar threads
