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And what days were these comments made?
All were made on or after the Rossi press conference .......... NOT BEFORE or NOT Immediately after PI which to me makes much of the commentary worthless in the bigger picture
Mike, you are on to something there is rumours are to be believed or if they come to fruition
It has been said that Rossi wants Ianonne at Yamaha (well he will until Ianonne beats him and then we know what happens).
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Texas
Ah... hmmm, ok: it must be true then.
So Iannone shares Rossi's opinion about MM's intentions.
Why would he do that if he didn't have access to mind-reading gear and absolutely knew it for a fact? Fair enough!
Oh, wait, Iannone is Italian right? There wouldn't be any repercussions for him if he refused to back Rossi would there? Nah, surely not...
But OK, let's allow all that... where does that leave us? Did MM break any rules?
No mind-reading gear needed, Iannone was right there racing with Rossi and Marc at PI. You can claim that he was only agreeing with Rossi because they're friends, but these guys know abnormal behavior on the track. It's not like they're too stupid to recognize when Marc is unnecessarily slowing down.
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Crab Key
Squiggle, I wrote a post on Iannone's comments a while back. And the ambiguity of it.
All AI said was that Marquez was 'playing' with them at PI. Which allows MotoVD to reinterpret it into complete agreement with Rossi's theory.
Just as the words of Webb have been reinterpreted into an attempt to sabotage Rossi's season.
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Pangea
Sooooo...........Are you going to provide me with a link to Iannone's comments so I can check the date and time they were made.
Or are you going to ..... out like your hero?
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Your Mom's House
What he means by "before" Sepang is at the now infamous pre-race press conference. And Iannone stopped short of saying it was deliberate sabotage but rather his assessment was he thought Marc had more pace. Which is awesome given Iannone nor Rossi are an the current RCV. Iannone, riding a Ducati of all those at the presser should have realized his words would trap him, given he was eerily out of the picture at Sepang. I suppose Marc, a Honda rider, could allege the same accusation, and say Iannone was sandbagging at Sepang so as not to take points from Rossi. Given that...as the bopper logic goes, once you HAVE pace, that translates to ALL THE TIME and at ANY VENUE regardless of ambient CONDITIONS. Yes, we've all read this reasoning, as it's used as levied suspicion for Marquez's acts going back. So then by that exact standard, where the .... was Iannone at Sepang? Looks like a great case can be made for him championship fixing. AFTER the tongue lashing of course.
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Pangea
This comment from Ianonne was made after the race
Andrea Iannone (Ducati): “It’s a complicated and delicate situation and everyone has his own opinion, but for sure no one likes what happened. I think Marc was riding a bit too slow. You cannot go one second slower than the pace you had just a few hours before [in the warmup]. In my opinion, Marc had the potential to stay with Pedrosa and Lorenzo.”
Others
Bradley Smith (Tech 3 Yamaha): “I saw the incident, and I don’t agree with it. It’s not something that should be allowed in MotoGP. It’s not a normal incident—knocking another rider down—and I have to follow what the Race Direction decided to do. We are all here to race and do the best possible. What Marquez decided to do against Valentino is up to him. We are 24 riders on the grid and we are allowed to do exactly what we want, even if we are not fighting for the championship.”
Dani Pedrosa (Repsol Honda): “It’s a bad incident for our sport. There are so many people that are watching us and these things shouldn’t happen. Valentino Rossi is one the greatest of this sport, he has many fans and many young people look at him as an example. Everyone can make a mistake. We need to understand exactly what happened.”
Andrea Dovizioso (Ducati): “Marquez was racing for the podium, but also to disturb Rossi. Valentino’s reaction exceeded the limits and it is not what we want to see. I believe Marc was provoking him and Rossi fell into his trap. Rossi contributed to the rising tension [with his comments] on Thursday and we can say that their relationship is finally over. For sure, Marc was playing with Valentino, but he remained within the rules”.
Pol Espargaro (Tech 3 Yamaha): “I can understand Rossi’s frustration with Marquez’s disturbing him, but you cannot touch a rider deliberately and raise the foot in that way. From one side, Marc was not playing fairly; he was playing with Rossi’s championship. On the other side, I’m surprised that a mature and experienced rider like Rossi could react like this. Valentino never did something like this before. Race Direction, the Safety Commission and IRTA (International Road Racing Teams Association) are there to evaluate incidents like this. Valencia will be an interesting race.”
Danilo Petrucci (Pramac Ducati): “It’s a very delicate situation and the stakes are really high. Using an image taken from football [soccer]: When a foul occurs, only the defender and the lineman know exactly what really happened.”
Carl Fogarty
Think if it was any other rider they would of been disqualified from teh race for sure
Troy Bayliss
All I will say is 46 and 93 would not have been able to continue to race like that all race , I am happy it happened at low speed #EGOS
My comment - the #EGOS says a lot.
Giacome Agostini
Valentino fell into Marquez’s game that this time was smarter than him. He should have expected such a reaction: Marc had nothing to lose. They passed and re-passed each other thousands of times. You cannot fall into this trap, you cannot do this maneuver, going so wide, especially if you are Valentino Rossi. What happens in a racer’s mind in those moments? I’m convinced that Valentino was angry, exhausted and frustrated, but until that turn it had been a great fight. But Valentino was surprised. He is a great professional. In his place, I also would have been very angry with Marquez, who provoked and exasperated him.”
Agostini added: “If you look back, when it was about winning, Valentino has never been soft with his rivals, just think of Casey Stoner or Sete Gibernau. You cannot condemn a rider like Marquez who is putting up a show.”
Josh Brookes, Lavery and Colin Edwards all posted supporting comments of Rossi as did Jeremy McWilliams who tempered his by saying initially he was for Marquez but review changed his mind
Andrea Iannone (Ducati): “It’s a complicated and delicate situation and everyone has his own opinion, but for sure no one likes what happened. I think Marc was riding a bit too slow. You cannot go one second slower than the pace you had just a few hours before [in the warmup]. In my opinion, Marc had the potential to stay with Pedrosa and Lorenzo.”
Others
Bradley Smith (Tech 3 Yamaha): “I saw the incident, and I don’t agree with it. It’s not something that should be allowed in MotoGP. It’s not a normal incident—knocking another rider down—and I have to follow what the Race Direction decided to do. We are all here to race and do the best possible. What Marquez decided to do against Valentino is up to him. We are 24 riders on the grid and we are allowed to do exactly what we want, even if we are not fighting for the championship.”
Dani Pedrosa (Repsol Honda): “It’s a bad incident for our sport. There are so many people that are watching us and these things shouldn’t happen. Valentino Rossi is one the greatest of this sport, he has many fans and many young people look at him as an example. Everyone can make a mistake. We need to understand exactly what happened.”
Andrea Dovizioso (Ducati): “Marquez was racing for the podium, but also to disturb Rossi. Valentino’s reaction exceeded the limits and it is not what we want to see. I believe Marc was provoking him and Rossi fell into his trap. Rossi contributed to the rising tension [with his comments] on Thursday and we can say that their relationship is finally over. For sure, Marc was playing with Valentino, but he remained within the rules”.
Pol Espargaro (Tech 3 Yamaha): “I can understand Rossi’s frustration with Marquez’s disturbing him, but you cannot touch a rider deliberately and raise the foot in that way. From one side, Marc was not playing fairly; he was playing with Rossi’s championship. On the other side, I’m surprised that a mature and experienced rider like Rossi could react like this. Valentino never did something like this before. Race Direction, the Safety Commission and IRTA (International Road Racing Teams Association) are there to evaluate incidents like this. Valencia will be an interesting race.”
Danilo Petrucci (Pramac Ducati): “It’s a very delicate situation and the stakes are really high. Using an image taken from football [soccer]: When a foul occurs, only the defender and the lineman know exactly what really happened.”
Carl Fogarty
Think if it was any other rider they would of been disqualified from teh race for sure
Troy Bayliss
All I will say is 46 and 93 would not have been able to continue to race like that all race , I am happy it happened at low speed #EGOS
My comment - the #EGOS says a lot.
Giacome Agostini
Valentino fell into Marquez’s game that this time was smarter than him. He should have expected such a reaction: Marc had nothing to lose. They passed and re-passed each other thousands of times. You cannot fall into this trap, you cannot do this maneuver, going so wide, especially if you are Valentino Rossi. What happens in a racer’s mind in those moments? I’m convinced that Valentino was angry, exhausted and frustrated, but until that turn it had been a great fight. But Valentino was surprised. He is a great professional. In his place, I also would have been very angry with Marquez, who provoked and exasperated him.”
Agostini added: “If you look back, when it was about winning, Valentino has never been soft with his rivals, just think of Casey Stoner or Sete Gibernau. You cannot condemn a rider like Marquez who is putting up a show.”
Josh Brookes, Lavery and Colin Edwards all posted supporting comments of Rossi as did Jeremy McWilliams who tempered his by saying initially he was for Marquez but review changed his mind
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Texas
Given that MotoGP doesn't have a rich history of riders attacking the integrity of the sport by engaging in race fixing, there is no "Race fixing" chapter in the rulebook. Marc escaped an official penalty because there is no rule. However, he did leave with 0 points, a bruised ego, and will be losing his championship title next weekend.
But when did he go public with his concerns ............... I do know that it was after Rossi had spoken on the Thursday
No offence to Ianonne, but his comments would have carried far more weight were they made alone and unprompted and not after he had been 'somewhat rescued from vitriol' by Rossi.
I believe a rider closely resembling Valentino Rossi concluded that one Casey Stoner was "not trying hard enough" on the 2010 Ducati despite racing against him in many races that season. His judgement was certainly proved correct on that assessment.
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Jums, Thanks for bringing up Iannone's exit at Sepang. That was his second DNF due to engine problems(, No)?
Another point of interest - the longevity or otherwise of the Ducati's engines - from Sepang that this Rossi-inspired melodrama has overshadowed...
Another point of interest - the longevity or otherwise of the Ducati's engines - from Sepang that this Rossi-inspired melodrama has overshadowed...
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Texas
I believe Iannone's problem at Sepang was a busted radiator from a rock that was kicked up at the start.
Seriously here but defin e race fixing?
Since when has fighting a rider on track been deemed as race fixing.
And again, one moment he is alleged to be trying to sabotage a championship, the next it is race fixing
As for others, you may well be surprised as some riders have battled others out of pure dislike for years and affected championship positions and so forth.
Race fixing is a very harsh term and there is no way that anything Marquez did can fall into that category
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Pangea
All depends ............ if he felt that strongly independent of Rossi, why not.
Al he has shown is that he has followed.
Sometimes to be taken seriously you must take the lead and if he believed what has been alleged he believes, then yes, he should have spoken out be that to press or (correctly) raise the concerns to race control by means of formal complaint
He did neither
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