THE CASE FOR MARQUEZ

Dr No · Oct 31, 2015

Talpa said:
The binning occurred after the headbutt, figure it out genius, how do you suppose he went down, invisible fireballs from VR's ...? Or are you stupid enough to still believe Rossi Bruce Lee-ed his .......

Ah, putting words in my mouth.
The question was quite simple: How did the headbutt make Marquez fall off? This is your claim. It'd be nice if you had something to back it up.

michaelm · Oct 31, 2015

JPSLotus said:
You underestimate how good the RCV and M1 are relative to all the other bikes on the grid.

MM would also be leading the championship if he converts all of those DNF's into finishes. The first 5 all could have been prevented.

I could say MM schooled VR the last 2 years...and be quite correct, because guess what? He did.

Valentino has definitely beaten 2 of the 3 riders on "real" bikes this season though, and is leading the other with 1 race to go.

Talpa · Oct 31, 2015

JPSLotus said:
Hopefully when you look at tomorrow's sales circulars, you'll be able to clip a coupon for some tampons to stem the heavy bleeding from your .......

Wow, inventive. Firstly I beat up my wife and now I have a ......, does that make me Ronda Rousey's lesbian cousin?

Cool Blue · Oct 31, 2015

Talpa said:
The binning occurred after the headbutt, figure it out genius, how do you suppose he went down, invisible fireballs from VR's ...? Or are you stupid enough to still believe Rossi Bruce Lee-ed his .......

It's interesting to look at what VR said in response to the kicking allegations...

VR: “If you look at the image from the helicopter it’s clear that when my foot slipped of the foot peg, Marquez had already crashed,”

Is that what you see?

VR: “I didn’t want to kick him, especially because, if you give a kick to a MotoGP bike, it won’t crash, it’s very heavy.”

Unless you kick the ....... handlebars.

You seem to think that because you don't believe it, anybody else expressing the view that it looked a lot like a kick is stupid. You also seem to think that if you defend that belief long enough it becomes a truism.

I call ........ on that.

That's a common tactic in politics, it's called the big lie.

Talpa · Oct 31, 2015

Cool Blue said:
It's interesting to look at what VR said in response to the kicking allegations...

VR: “If you look at the image from the helicopter it’s clear that when my foot slipped of the foot peg, Marquez had already crashed,”

Is that what you see?

VR: “I didn’t want to kick him, especially because, if you give a kick to a MotoGP bike, it won’t crash, it’s very heavy.”

Unless you kick the ....... handlebars.

You seem to think that because you don't believe it, anybody else expressing the view that it looked a lot like a kick is stupid. You also seem to think that if you defend that belief long enough it becomes a truism.

I call ........ on that.

That's a common tactic in politics, it's called the big lie.

The big lie works both ways.

My theory is Marc headbutted Rossi and closed the front because he and his handlebar hit Rossi and/or Rossi's bike, I have no proof other than the footage I saw, from all of the angles available. There was also an M1 footpeg, gear shifter, swingarm and fairing which could have pushed that handlebar-all potential outcomes when a rider runs into another bike.

Do you have any proof that Rossi's leg movement after Marc came off caused Marc to close the front?

michaelm · Oct 31, 2015

Talpa said:
The big lie works both ways.

My theory is Marc headbutted Rossi and closed the front because he and his handlebar hit Rossi and/or Rossi's bike, I have no proof other than the footage I saw, from all of the angles available. There was also an M1 footpeg, gear shifter, swingarm and fairing which could have pushed that handlebar-all potential outcomes when a rider runs into another bike.

Do you have any proof that Rossi's leg movement after Marc came off caused Marc to close the front?

FFS Talps, provoked or otherwise Rossi went way off his line and slowed down drastically, any contact subsequently and MM crashing out is down to him. As I have said previously, if MM pulls a shifter out of his back pocket and hits Rossi with it on the way down then he has retaliated in kind, but he didn't do anything like that. I don't personally believe Rossi deliberately kicked MM or his bike to take MM out, but anything else including the exact sequence of events in the contact caused by Rossi is fairly irrelevant given what Rossi has admitted to doing.

Cool Blue · Oct 31, 2015

Talpa said:
The big lie works both ways.

My theory is Marc headbutted Rossi and closed the front because he and his handlebar hit Rossi and/or Rossi's bike, I have no proof other than the footage I saw, from all of the angles available. There was also an M1 footpeg, gear shifter, swingarm and fairing which could have pushed that handlebar-all potential outcomes when a rider runs into another bike.

Do you have any proof that Rossi's leg movement after Marc came off caused Marc to close the front?

And that's another common, shifty political tactic: dodging a question by diverting to another question.

Answer my question first then I'll answer yours. What is your take on Rossi's statement? Based on your analysis:

Had MM already crashed when VR's leg started to move?
Is it easy enough to take somebody down by closing their front end with a kick?

And just as a follow-up: how is it possible for the handlebars to be pushed to the right when MM was moving backwards relative to Rossi?
The M1 footpeg, gear shifter, swingarm and fairing were all moving in the wrong direction. The only thing moving in the right direction was Rossi's foot, which happened to be in exactly the right spot at exactly the right time.

The handlebars moved in perfect time with Rossi's leg.

And... even more interesting... was there a third rider on a grassy knoll with telekinetic powers!?

Gaz · Oct 31, 2015

Cool Blue said:
And... even more interesting... was there a third rider on a grassy knoll with telekinetic powers!?

No, but a dingo was seen to fly away from the circuit whilst riding a pig

Dr No · Oct 31, 2015

Prove it!!11!!

Talpa · Oct 31, 2015

Cool Blue said:
And that's another common, shifty political tactic: dodging a question by diverting to another question.

Answer my question first then I'll answer yours. What is your take on Rossi's statement? Based on your analysis:

Had MM already crashed when VR's leg started to move?

Is it easy enough to take somebody down by closing their front end with a kick?

And just as a follow-up: how is it possible for the handlebars to be pushed to the right when MM was moving backwards relative to Rossi?

The handlebars moved in perfect time with Rossi's leg.

And... even more interesting... was there a third rider on a grassy knoll with telekinetic powers!?

No diversion, I told you what I believe I saw. You haven't answered my question and you've thrown in a diverting conspiracy tidbit.

I think you've learnt from Johnny Cochran

Quite easy for the handlebar to be pushed that way at good lean angle, slow speed and MM counter steering in to hit Rossi, in fact all it needed was a small extra push which the impact gave. I don't believe a movement as small as Rossis leg even if it happen prior to the off, could have the force to cause him to crash, the impact however.....

The video shows that Rossis leg moved after MM crashed, many highly credible observers, Dennis Noyes being one of them, have admitted to being wrong about their initial reaction to the kick after having a good look at the footage.

Jumkie · Oct 31, 2015

Talpa, who was under control of Rossi's bike when he decided to deliberately (confessed ) to pushing Marquez out and off the stable track?

Then that same person controlling the M1 looked over several times to slow and drift slow and drift to fool Marquez further.

Now you want to blame the rider on the RCV for not evading such deliberate attempt to by duped?

Everything you've said is insanity and perversion, from seeing something dubious in hard racing (the same type you've bought into was worship worthy) to justification of a rider crashing out the other (oh but wait you believe Marquez crashed himself out in the same way Stoner torpedoed himself).

Mike, you don't see Rossi kicking out in the video? News to me you hadn't. I guess the moon is made of cheese then.

xx CURVE xx · Oct 31, 2015

I agree with this guy .... yall.

Marquez Vs Rossi - Star Motorcycle School

Jumkie · Oct 31, 2015

xx CURVE xx said:
I agree with this guy .... yall.

Marquez Vs Rossi - Star Motorcycle School

Aha hahah...this is your silver bullet? He's completely full of .... and you should know it. That dude teaches a racing school. What do you suppose he may say in the "safety " portion of that course? "Whenever you 'perceive' (fact or fiction, the mere perception is enough ) then go ahead and crash the mothafucker out. His premise is, I would have crashed Marc out earlier. This is a guy teaching squids how to become racers.

Everything he said is as insane as any Rossi supporter here, splitting hairs, looking for guilt in details that are misunderstood, and justifying crashing a competitor out when you 'think' he's toying you.

It would be fun if everyone employed thus tactic on Rossi actually, since of all the riders he has been easily the most aggressive to employ such "hard racing " that suddenly the Rossi fan is whining and crying about. Ah the irony. He race me too hard...waaaaa. Rossi was too chickenshit to handle his business by racing his way out of it. Answer that my friend, why didn't Rossi RACE his way out of it? The kid schooled his ... and Rossi threw in the towel like a ...... The guy so loved for being the man's man of racing bitched the .... out.

Jason Pridmore is a complete hack. Even some of the shittier Rossi noobs here have done a better job of putting together a house of cards.

Gaz · Oct 31, 2015

xx CURVE xx said:
I agree with this guy .... yall.

Marquez Vs Rossi - Star Motorcycle School

So it is you who keeps downvoting me .............

Serious question for the US people amongst us ......... what is Pridmore's resume (I realise that he is a rider school instructor but the name does not ring a bell)

Gaz · Oct 31, 2015

Jumkie said:
It would be fun if everyone employed thus tactic on Rossi actually, since of all the riders he has been easily the most aggressive to employ such "hard racing " that suddenly the Rossi fan is whining and crying about.

You can't do that .............. I mean, he is racing for a championship and you just are not allowed to fight or race against people in championship contention.

That is what is colloquially known as the Sepang rule

Jumkie · Oct 31, 2015

Every single argument against Marquez, bar none, has been built on this notion that Marc was TOYING with Rossi. No, not that he was motivated to BEAT Rossi. And that 'belief' stems from Rossi’s accusations last Thursday. That's it! No accusations, no belief Marquez is toying. In the same way NOBODY thought Marc was toying after Phillip Island. They think they now see every little detail in his life as proof, they knew it all along. He was a title communist! Send me a link to any "expert" racer, journalists, spectators, forum member, casual observer that wrote anything about Marc's attempt to thwart Rossi's title BEFORE last Thursday. Just one. Come up with one solitary soul that said this.

xx CURVE xx · Oct 31, 2015

Jumkie said:
Aha hahah...this is your silver bullet? He's completely full of .... and you should know it. That dude teaches a racing school. What do you suppose he may say in the "safety " portion of that course? "Whenever you 'perceive' (fact or fiction, the mere perception is enough ) then go ahead and crash the mothafucker out. His premise is, I would have crashed Marc out earlier. This is a guy teaching squids how to become racers.

Everything he said is as insane as any Rossi supporter here, splitting hairs, looking for guilt in details that are misunderstood, and justifying crashing a competitor out when you 'think' he's toying you.

It would be fun if everyone employed thus tactic on Rossi actually, since of all the riders he has been easily the most aggressive to employ such "hard racing " that suddenly the Rossi fan is whining and crying about. Ah the irony. He race me too hard...waaaaa. Rossi was too chickenshit to handle his business by racing his way out of it. Answer that my friend, why didn't Rossi RACE his way out of it? The kid schooled his ... and Rossi threw in the towel like a ...... The guy so loved for being the man's man of racing bitched the .... out.

Jason Pridmore is a complete hack. Even some of the shittier Rossi noobs here have done a better job of putting together a house of cards.

You just don't like Rossi bro so all your paragraphs mean .... lol.. if it would have been Nick amd MM i bet my left nut your tune would be different lol

Cool Blue · Oct 31, 2015

Talpa said:
No diversion, I told you what I believe I saw. You haven't answered my question and you've thrown in a diverting conspiracy tidbit.

I think you've learnt from Johnny Cochran

Quite easy for the handlebar to be pushed that way at good lean angle, slow speed and MM counter steering in to hit Rossi, in fact all it needed was a small extra push which the impact gave. I don't believe a movement as small as Rossis leg even if it happen prior to the off, could have the force to cause him to crash, the impact however.....

The video shows that Rossis leg moved after MM crashed, many highly credible observers, Dennis Noyes being one of them, have admitted to being wrong about their initial reaction to the kick after having a good look at the footage.

Ah yes... the Chewbacca defense!

I'm not saying it looked like MM closed the front, I'm saying it looked like Rossi kicked his ....... handlebars, thus closing the front. My challenge is on your equating allowing that as a strong possibility with being an ...... I encourage you to review the side-on slow motion and focus on what is going on with Rossi's leg movement, and the movement of MM's handlebars as he went down, as well as the relative motion of the two bikes at the time. Clearly you didn't do that, because any contact with the handlebars from Rossi's bike would have opened, not closed the front: your analysis is flawed. I'm not saying he did kick him, I'm saying that, on careful, frame-by-frame analysis, it really ....... looked like he did.

michaelm · Oct 31, 2015

Jumkie said:
Talpa, who was under control of Rossi's bike when he decided to deliberately (confessed ) to pushing Marquez out and off the stable track?

Then that same person controlling the M1 looked over several times to slow and drift slow and drift to fool Marquez further.

Now you want to blame the rider on the RCV for not evading such deliberate attempt to by duped?

Everything you've said is insanity and perversion, from seeing something dubious in hard racing (the same type you've bought into was worship worthy) to justification of a rider crashing out the other (oh but wait you believe Marquez crashed himself out in the same way Stoner torpedoed himself).

Mike, you don't see Rossi kicking out in the video? News to me you hadn't. I guess the moon is made of cheese then.

I said not deliberately. My view is the same as Pov's et al, Rossi caused the crash through a deliberate illegal move, where his foot or MM's head ended up on split second analysis is irrelevant and may have been reflexive, but if you want to argue he doesn't deserve much benefit of the doubt you are entitled to do so I guess.

I think Talps is employing his new found sarcasm in describing the cause of MM's bike going down being him head butting Rossi or his bike, or at least I hope so otherwise I am concerned as to his ability to negotiate reality going forward.

Jumkie · Oct 31, 2015

xx CURVE xx said:
You just don't like Rossi bro so all your paragraphs mean .... lol.. if it would have been Nick amd MM i bet my left nut your tune would be different lol

Every single argument against Marquez, bar none, has been built on this notion that Marc was TOYING with Rossi. No, not that he was motivated to BEAT Rossi. And that 'belief' stems from Rossi’s accusations last Thursday. That's it! No accusations, no belief Marquez is toying. They now see every little detail in his life as proof, they knew it all along. He was a title communist!

So brotha, what was your take after Phillip Island, surely your keen eye saw Marc toying with Rossi. Send me a link to any "expert" racer, journalists, spectators, forum member, casual observer that wrote anything about Marc's attempt to thwart Rossi's title BEFORE last Thursday. Just one. Come up with one solitary soul that said this.

Maybe Jason Pridmore knew. Scrub his website, surely he knew before last Thursday. Its quite obvious all of these imagined offenses come directly from Rossi's McCarthyist accusations. Without that and none of you would have been saying Marquez raced like a ..... Especially if Rossi had not bitched out of what was in FACT 'clean' racing. All of you would have been describing it exactly how PI was described, as thrilling and sublime.

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