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Michaelm it's like me trying to take on Tiger Woods in golf but you standing 2 feet behind me so I can't take a backswing! IMPOSSIBLE

If Marquez just hadn't cunted around we wouldn't be here spending hours arguing over this and that's all anyone can say about it really!!!

Again, did Lorenzo complain about Iannone racing him early at PI, stopping him from getting his usual early lead, or about Redding passing him at Misano which prompted him to make a self admitted error of judgement in pushing harder, leading to him crashing out of that race?
 
This post is fascinating. You admit to not having the wherewithal to go searching for the facts that challenge your assumptions much less the deductions to be made from them. And as you say nothing will convince you otherwise, which I believe to be the case. It's interesting but religious extremism shadows your sentiments and faith in them. In a way you can't help yourself.

.... you're hard work!! I said the images I saw, I watched the ....... race you know! .... the lap times, Marquez was ....... about and you're a muppet for not seeing it! Or should I say ignoring it!!!
 
Again, did Lorenzo complain about Iannone racing him early at PI, stopping him from getting his usual early lead, or about Redding passing him at Misano which prompted him to make a self admitted error of judgement in pushing harder, leading to him crashing out of that race?

NO, because they were fighting for their positions legitimately! There is a big difference.
 
If Marquez just hadn't cunted around we wouldn't be here spending hours arguing over this and that's all anyone can say about it really!!!

I didn't think you had given up.

Perhaps Marquez was in control of Rossi's bike.
 
No .... Sherlock, you're a Marquez fan........??!! Really??!! :bounce:
I know you only joined after Rossi's marching orders last Thursday, but Mike and I have been one of Marc's greatest detractors. Possibly THEE greatest detractors.
 
My last word on this now, if there's nothing wrong with people holding you up intentionally in a race then why even bother turning up for a race?!! Because it isn't a ....... race then is it!!

The rules are so obviously not equipped for this scenario because no .... has ever had the audacity to even try it before!!!
 
.... you're hard work!! I said the images I saw, I watched the ....... race you know! .... the lap times, Marquez was ....... about and you're a muppet for not seeing it! Or should I say ignoring it!!!
I don't think I'm the one that's being difficult. You keep tripping and stumbling over yourself without my help. You don't care about lap times now? That's weird wasn't it you who just said the one second faster lap time by Marcos in the last lap of Phillip Island was proof positive that he was sandbagging? Therefore...as connecting of dots go, was toying with Rossi at Sepang. Hence...Rossi’s deliberate action to take out another rider violating the rules and principles of competition and safety was justified.
 
Do you know what I love about Rossi haters...... He's fighting for the Motogp title at 36 years old, why the .... would he want to retire when he's still world class?!!! You've got young guns like Smithy,Pol,Maverick,Aleix,Iannone etc etc and none of them are anywhere near Rossi at the moment!!!

The only way Rossi will retire any time soon is if Yamaha ditch him, which after the recent episode is a possibilty....... No other options for him really otherwise!!

Firstly I'm not a Rossi hater...my perception of him isn't a favourable one if I'm honest, but that's largely because I loath insincerity.

I was at a rain soaked Donington last Friday and it gave me shivers, not the weather, but reminiscing about that ride Vale put in in the 2005 British GP - quite possibly one of the most impressive spectacles I've ever witnessed trackside and I've seen a lot of races in my time. That was transcendent.

Neither Brad, Pol, Mav, Aleix or Iannone have customised machinery with bespoke parts built to preference like Lorenzo or Rossi - that's the bit you guys always miss. You also underestimate Maverick and Joe, who are now faster than Valentino.

There is no possibility that Yamaha will ditch Rossi...he was parachuted back in there by the money man...and you people keep the cash registers pinging.
 
This post is fascinating. You admit to not having the wherewithal to go searching for the facts that challenge your assumptions much less the deductions to be made from them. And as you say nothing will convince you otherwise, which I believe to be the case. It's interesting but religious extremism shadows your sentiments and faith in them. In a way you can't help yourself.

Almost out of candy for the kids, time to hide out in here for a bit and hope not too many more come knocking.. :eek:

You need to understand this is a faceless discussion forum, at least for me. You keep challenging people to debates and send them on fact finding missions of 'proof' for something only a blind person can't see or a stupid person can't decipher. VR said he was playing, Ya-no-knee also said MM was slow out of 5 every lap and passing him on the power was easy. The guy did his fastest lap on the last lap on worn tires and an overheating front. HRC knew his pace and would have been seriously pissed if he didn't challenge for the win. I'll say again, just because you and some others here have the patience, or some mental disorder, to average 20 posts/day for 10 years straight with an additional 1000 words/post doesn't mean other have to as well..
 
When I watched P.I I thought wow what a race, BUT I did right at the time think .... Iannone went by Marquez easily there(left hander before lukey heights I think) and also Marquez's last lap definitely made me think what the .... is this?! But watching I don't think anyone could have known he was sandbagging but if Rossi and Iannone are convinced, it's good enough for me! What I don't need convincing of is the 1.1 second faster than Lorenzo last lap. It's ridiculous and NOT in any way a miracle lap..... Even Lorenzo knows what's gone on and the little sly Spaniard is rubbing his hands together ready to .... Marquez off next weekend!!!

As valiant as your efforts are my friend you should know (which I'm sure is fairly obvious now) that you aren't dealing with rational individuals here when it comes to Valentino Rossi.

The hypocrisy being displayed is actually beyond hypocrisy, its more akin to absolute blind hatred.What is funny is that, like it or not these individuals are actually contributing to the ever growing wealth of one Mr Rossi and one Mr Marquez.

This forum is mostly populated by just a small group of Americans, Australians and the odd pom.

The Americans, one in particular have an obsessive hatred for Valentino Rossi which can mostly be attributed to the 2006 season and the subsequent treatment of their countryman Nicky Hayden-who was ushered into the best team on the grid on the best motorcycle in the world in 2003 despite only having won a relatively insignificant national series-an event of such political favoritism which as yet I have not seen equaled or a precedent previous was not in existence to my knowledge. Despite all of this the claims of political favoritism, fixed events and backroom deals in regards to Valentino Rossi have been consistently discharged from the keyboards of certain individuals like the most horrendous bout of diarrhea one can experience, disturbingly so.

These individuals have also spent most of the past few years building an online forum case against Marc Marquez 'Murder Marc'-the most dangerous rider to ever grace the motorcycle racing world, who they believed to be unfairly promoted to the Repsol Honda squad with the rookie rule being conveniently removed to aid the promotion of the grinning 2 time World Champion Spaniard.... Cough Cough 2003 Cough Cough.

For the majority of the last half of this season the disturbing rants on how bad the 2015 Honda isn't and how the demise of the reigning world champ is his fault and that he is not the wondakid and that all of the copious amounts praise placed upon him is undeserved and that he is nothing but a dangerous Spaniard who should be removed from the sport and stripped of all of his achievements-or something to this effect.

Taking all of this into account and with what you are seeing here now I'm sure you can grasp the sheer volume of hatred these individuals have for Valentino Rossi, the sheer volume of time spent punching dribbly malice filled online diatribes into a forum to somehow try to influence others into joining the insane hatred of an Italian man who races motorcycles very well in a sport they apparently love? Hypocrisy is not a fitting term-I'm sure there are better, what is definite is that this amount of bitterness within an individual in my eyes is not good-fanatical yes-healthy no. We are seeing a case being put forward to defend Murder Marc? Really? Wow. Actually not really that surprising at all.

Now the Australians, well all I have to say is 'Casey Stoner', that is all that is needed.

And the rest either fall into line to fit in, take the piss or try to wage what could easily be considered to be a valid argument without seeing the futility in their endeavors. If you are trying to get these people to come to some sort of reasonable view on your opinions on Valentino Rossi you are completely wasting your time, there is no chance. I'm reading here that a few think that Marc's passes on Rossi at Sepang were 'clean' and fair, I saw at least 5 that would have had Casey Stoner retiring from the sport five times all over again, and if it had of happened to Casey.....well.....a punch in the back would have been just the start.

If your goal is to point out the hypocrisy, ridiculous bias, and unequivocal animosity towards Rossi then you also do not have to do this. Anyone can see it without having to look too hard. Some will say that their attitude towards Rossi is directly attributed to his fans, the yellow horde, the yellow army, the boppers etc etc. This is fair enough if true, there are plenty of fanatical lunatics on both sides and one can certainly develop a deeper disliking for a sports figure because of the devotion of rabid fans-I know I have been guilty of having opinions influenced by this too.

The escalation in hatred towards Rossi after Sepang is understandable-particularly with the existing embedded views some have on him, and the defense of him by his fan base is also borderline insanity also. But events like this from riders with as much at stake as Rossi do not come without provocation and what I'm hoping is the continued investigation will reveal the facts about Phillip Island and Sepang-note I used the word 'hoping'.

For me there is no precedent in this sport ever I believe, for the sheer volume of comment and interest the Sepang Round has created, Kropo even shut down his comments section. Personally I think both sides have valid arguments with what transpired, what is for certain for me is the facts of the telemetry data from Marc's bike at PI and Sepang will potentially make one side of the argument look hopelessly silly. What many are failing to address is that is 2011 a very hard charging rider was killed at this very event, from what I saw-particularly from Marc Marquez (Murder Marc;)) in those early laps we are very lucky to have not witnessed a much worse outcome.

Rossi stand over was not right-possibly justified but not right, however it was not dangerous at all #lookatmewhenimtalkingtoyouson, and Marcs crash was actually quite silly as the video evidence suggests he caused his own demise by head butting Rossi's leg. Using the 'dangerous' argument for the 'actual' incident whilst not considering the previous four laps worth of insanity displays either an overly emotional response or a serious amount of bias-or both, particularly the last chop pass from Marc-an impossible move which looked strikingly similar to the Argentinian event only reversed and on purpose (Marc is known for emulating Rossi). The incident would actually not have even been able to take place if Marc wasn't running so wide because of the previous bone headed move-lap 7-third place-losing touch with the leaders.

And from what I'm reading here and elsewhere, the sport is now considered to be in a far worse state because of it. Somehow though I don't think it will stop any current fan and possibly a few million more now watching every minute of Valencia next weekend-worse state for motogp? Possibly morally-but certainly not financially. Rabid fans indeed


“For there is but one essential justice which cements society, and one law which establishes this justice. This law is right reason, which is the true rule of all commandments and prohibitions. Whoever neglects this law, whether written or unwritten, is necessarily unjust and wicked.”
 
As valiant as your efforts are my friend you should know (which I'm sure is fairly obvious now) that you aren't dealing with rational individuals here when it comes to Valentino Rossi.

The hypocrisy being displayed is actually beyond hypocrisy, its more akin to absolute blind hatred.What is funny is that, like it or not these individuals are actually contributing to the ever growing wealth of one Mr Rossi and one Mr Marquez.

This forum is mostly populated by just a small group of Americans, Australians and the odd pom.

The Americans, one in particular have an obsessive hatred for Valentino Rossi which can mostly be attributed to the 2006 season and the subsequent treatment of their countryman Nicky Hayden-who was ushered into the best team on the grid on the best motorcycle in the world in 2003 despite only having won a relatively insignificant national series-an event of such political favoritism which as yet I have not seen equaled or a precedent previous was not in existence to my knowledge. Despite all of this the claims of political favoritism, fixed events and backroom deals in regards to Valentino Rossi have been consistently discharged from the keyboards of certain individuals like the most horrendous bout of diarrhea one can experience, disturbingly so.

These individuals have also spent most of the past few years building an online forum case against Marc Marquez 'Murder Marc'-the most dangerous rider to ever grace the motorcycle racing world, who they believed to be unfairly promoted to the Repsol Honda squad with the rookie rule being conveniently removed to aid the promotion of the grinning 2 time World Champion Spaniard.... Cough Cough 2003 Cough Cough.

For the majority of the last half of this season the disturbing rants on how bad the 2015 Honda isn't and how the demise of the reigning world champ is his fault and that he is not the wondakid and that all of the copious amounts praise placed upon him is undeserved and that he is nothing but a dangerous Spaniard who should be removed from the sport and stripped of all of his achievements-or something to this effect.

Taking all of this into account and with what you are seeing here now I'm sure you can grasp the sheer volume of hatred these individuals have for Valentino Rossi, the sheer volume of time spent punching dribbly malice filled online diatribes into a forum to somehow try to influence others into joining the insane hatred of an Italian man who races motorcycles very well in a sport they apparently love? Hypocrisy is not a fitting term-I'm sure there are better, what is definite is that this amount of bitterness within an individual in my eyes is not good-fanatical yes-healthy no. We are seeing a case being put forward to defend Murder Marc? Really? Wow. Actually not really that surprising at all.

Now the Australians, well all I have to say is 'Casey Stoner', that is all that is needed.

And the rest either fall into line to fit in, take the piss or try to wage what could easily be considered to be a valid argument without seeing the futility in their endeavors. If you are trying to get these people to come to some sort of reasonable view on your opinions on Valentino Rossi you are completely wasting your time, there is no chance. I'm reading here that a few think that Marc's passes on Rossi at Sepang were 'clean' and fair, I saw at least 5 that would have had Casey Stoner retiring from the sport five times all over again, and if it had of happened to Casey.....well.....a punch in the back would have been just the start.

If your goal is to point out the hypocrisy, ridiculous bias, and unequivocal animosity towards Rossi then you also do not have to do this. Anyone can see it without having to look too hard. Some will say that their attitude towards Rossi is directly attributed to his fans, the yellow horde, the yellow army, the boppers etc etc. This is fair enough if true, there are plenty of fanatical lunatics on both sides and one can certainly develop a deeper disliking for a sports figure because of the devotion of rabid fans-I know I have been guilty of having opinions influenced by this too.

The escalation in hatred towards Rossi after Sepang is understandable-particularly with the existing embedded views some have on him, and the defense of him by his fan base is also borderline insanity also. But events like this from riders with as much at stake as Rossi do not come without provocation and what I'm hoping is the continued investigation will reveal the facts about Phillip Island and Sepang-note I used the word 'hoping'.

For me there is no precedent in this sport ever I believe, for the sheer volume of comment and interest the Sepang Round has created, Kropo even shut down his comments section. Personally I think both sides have valid arguments with what transpired, what is for certain for me is the facts of the telemetry data from Marc's bike at PI and Sepang will potentially make one side of the argument look hopelessly silly. What many are failing to address is that is 2011 a very hard charging rider was killed at this very event, from what I saw-particularly from Marc Marquez (Murder Marc;)) in those early laps we are very lucky to have not witnessed a much worse outcome.

Rossi stand over was not right-possibly justified but not right, however it was not dangerous at all #lookatmewhenimtalkingtoyouson, and Marcs crash was actually quite silly as the video evidence suggests he caused his own demise by head butting Rossi's leg. Using the 'dangerous' argument for the 'actual' incident whilst not considering the previous four laps worth of insanity displays either an overly emotional response or a serious amount of bias-or both, particularly the last chop pass from Marc-an impossible move which looked strikingly similar to the Argentinian event only reversed and on purpose (Marc is known for emulating Rossi). The incident would actually not have even been able to take place if Marc wasn't running so wide because of the previous bone headed move-lap 7-third place-losing touch with the leaders.

And from what I'm reading here and elsewhere, the sport is now considered to be in a far worse state because of it. Somehow though I don't think it will stop any current fan and possibly a few million more now watching every minute of Valencia next weekend-worse state for motogp? Possibly morally-but certainly not financially. Rabid fans indeed


“For there is but one essential justice which cements society, and one law which establishes this justice. This law is right reason, which is the true rule of all commandments and prohibitions. Whoever neglects this law, whether written or unwritten, is necessarily unjust and wicked.”

Same argument you have always made Talpa, and the same as your new chum's, I am unbiased and right, they are biased and wrong.

Seeing you bring up Casey Stoner, your opinion of his character is your own to which you are entitled, but pretty much everything you said about him and the Ducati was wrong, and was proved to be so by Valentino no less.
 
As valiant as your efforts are my friend you should know (which I'm sure is fairly obvious now) that you aren't dealing with rational individuals here when it comes to Valentino Rossi.

The hypocrisy being displayed is actually beyond hypocrisy, its more akin to absolute blind hatred.What is funny is that, like it or not these individuals are actually contributing to the ever growing wealth of one Mr Rossi and one Mr Marquez.

This forum is mostly populated by just a small group of Americans, Australians and the odd pom.

The Americans, one in particular have an obsessive hatred for Valentino Rossi which can mostly be attributed to the 2006 season and the subsequent treatment of their countryman Nicky Hayden-who was ushered into the best team on the grid on the best motorcycle in the world in 2003 despite only having won a relatively insignificant national series-an event of such political favoritism which as yet I have not seen equaled or a precedent previous was not in existence to my knowledge. Despite all of this the claims of political favoritism, fixed events and backroom deals in regards to Valentino Rossi have been consistently discharged from the keyboards of certain individuals like the most horrendous bout of diarrhea one can experience, disturbingly so.

These individuals have also spent most of the past few years building an online forum case against Marc Marquez 'Murder Marc'-the most dangerous rider to ever grace the motorcycle racing world, who they believed to be unfairly promoted to the Repsol Honda squad with the rookie rule being conveniently removed to aid the promotion of the grinning 2 time World Champion Spaniard.... Cough Cough 2003 Cough Cough.

For the majority of the last half of this season the disturbing rants on how bad the 2015 Honda isn't and how the demise of the reigning world champ is his fault and that he is not the wondakid and that all of the copious amounts praise placed upon him is undeserved and that he is nothing but a dangerous Spaniard who should be removed from the sport and stripped of all of his achievements-or something to this effect.

Taking all of this into account and with what you are seeing here now I'm sure you can grasp the sheer volume of hatred these individuals have for Valentino Rossi, the sheer volume of time spent punching dribbly malice filled online diatribes into a forum to somehow try to influence others into joining the insane hatred of an Italian man who races motorcycles very well in a sport they apparently love? Hypocrisy is not a fitting term-I'm sure there are better, what is definite is that this amount of bitterness within an individual in my eyes is not good-fanatical yes-healthy no. We are seeing a case being put forward to defend Murder Marc? Really? Wow. Actually not really that surprising at all.

Now the Australians, well all I have to say is 'Casey Stoner', that is all that is needed.

And the rest either fall into line to fit in, take the piss or try to wage what could easily be considered to be a valid argument without seeing the futility in their endeavors. If you are trying to get these people to come to some sort of reasonable view on your opinions on Valentino Rossi you are completely wasting your time, there is no chance. I'm reading here that a few think that Marc's passes on Rossi at Sepang were 'clean' and fair, I saw at least 5 that would have had Casey Stoner retiring from the sport five times all over again, and if it had of happened to Casey.....well.....a punch in the back would have been just the start.

If your goal is to point out the hypocrisy, ridiculous bias, and unequivocal animosity towards Rossi then you also do not have to do this. Anyone can see it without having to look too hard. Some will say that their attitude towards Rossi is directly attributed to his fans, the yellow horde, the yellow army, the boppers etc etc. This is fair enough if true, there are plenty of fanatical lunatics on both sides and one can certainly develop a deeper disliking for a sports figure because of the devotion of rabid fans-I know I have been guilty of having opinions influenced by this too.

The escalation in hatred towards Rossi after Sepang is understandable-particularly with the existing embedded views some have on him, and the defense of him by his fan base is also borderline insanity also. But events like this from riders with as much at stake as Rossi do not come without provocation and what I'm hoping is the continued investigation will reveal the facts about Phillip Island and Sepang-note I used the word 'hoping'.

For me there is no precedent in this sport ever I believe, for the sheer volume of comment and interest the Sepang Round has created, Kropo even shut down his comments section. Personally I think both sides have valid arguments with what transpired, what is for certain for me is the facts of the telemetry data from Marc's bike at PI and Sepang will potentially make one side of the argument look hopelessly silly. What many are failing to address is that is 2011 a very hard charging rider was killed at this very event, from what I saw-particularly from Marc Marquez (Murder Marc;)) in those early laps we are very lucky to have not witnessed a much worse outcome.

Rossi stand over was not right-possibly justified but not right, however it was not dangerous at all #lookatmewhenimtalkingtoyouson, and Marcs crash was actually quite silly as the video evidence suggests he caused his own demise by head butting Rossi's leg. Using the 'dangerous' argument for the 'actual' incident whilst not considering the previous four laps worth of insanity displays either an overly emotional response or a serious amount of bias-or both, particularly the last chop pass from Marc-an impossible move which looked strikingly similar to the Argentinian event only reversed and on purpose (Marc is known for emulating Rossi). The incident would actually not have even been able to take place if Marc wasn't running so wide because of the previous bone headed move-lap 7-third place-losing touch with the leaders.

And from what I'm reading here and elsewhere, the sport is now considered to be in a far worse state because of it. Somehow though I don't think it will stop any current fan and possibly a few million more now watching every minute of Valencia next weekend-worse state for motogp? Possibly morally-but certainly not financially. Rabid fans indeed


“For there is but one essential justice which cements society, and one law which establishes this justice. This law is right reason, which is the true rule of all commandments and prohibitions. Whoever neglects this law, whether written or unwritten, is necessarily unjust and wicked.”

Bloody brilliant post! Thanks for putting the time in! You could clearly see the chop pass on Rossi was the final straw for him, Marquez's rear tyre was about 2mm from Rossi's front. Way too close for comfort, so Rossi just had enough and slowed him, then Marquez crashed himself!!
 
Same argument you have always made Talpa, and the same as your new chum's, I am unbiased and right, they are biased and wrong.

Seeing you bring up Casey Stoner, your opinion of his character is your own to which you are entitled, but pretty much everything you said about him and the Ducati was wrong, and was proved to be so by Valentino no less.

I just twigged this is all about Stoner after Talpa said!! Shame Stoner was such a little ..... because no doubt the greatest ever on 2 wheels talent wise in my opinion, but didn't have the head for it which is a shame!!
 
As valiant as your efforts are my friend you should know (which I'm sure is fairly obvious now) that you aren't dealing with rational individuals here when it comes to Valentino Rossi.

The hypocrisy being displayed is actually beyond hypocrisy, its more akin to absolute blind hatred.What is funny is that, like it or not these individuals are actually contributing to the ever growing wealth of one Mr Rossi and one Mr Marquez.

This forum is mostly populated by just a small group of Americans, Australians and the odd pom.

The Americans, one in particular have an obsessive hatred for Valentino Rossi which can mostly be attributed to the 2006 season and the subsequent treatment of their countryman Nicky Hayden-who was ushered into the best team on the grid on the best motorcycle in the world in 2003 despite only having won a relatively insignificant national series-an event of such political favoritism which as yet I have not seen equaled or a precedent previous was not in existence to my knowledge. Despite all of this the claims of political favoritism, fixed events and backroom deals in regards to Valentino Rossi have been consistently discharged from the keyboards of certain individuals like the most horrendous bout of diarrhea one can experience, disturbingly so.

These individuals have also spent most of the past few years building an online forum case against Marc Marquez 'Murder Marc'-the most dangerous rider to ever grace the motorcycle racing world, who they believed to be unfairly promoted to the Repsol Honda squad with the rookie rule being conveniently removed to aid the promotion of the grinning 2 time World Champion Spaniard.... Cough Cough 2003 Cough Cough.

For the majority of the last half of this season the disturbing rants on how bad the 2015 Honda isn't and how the demise of the reigning world champ is his fault and that he is not the wondakid and that all of the copious amounts praise placed upon him is undeserved and that he is nothing but a dangerous Spaniard who should be removed from the sport and stripped of all of his achievements-or something to this effect.

Taking all of this into account and with what you are seeing here now I'm sure you can grasp the sheer volume of hatred these individuals have for Valentino Rossi, the sheer volume of time spent punching dribbly malice filled online diatribes into a forum to somehow try to influence others into joining the insane hatred of an Italian man who races motorcycles very well in a sport they apparently love? Hypocrisy is not a fitting term-I'm sure there are better, what is definite is that this amount of bitterness within an individual in my eyes is not good-fanatical yes-healthy no. We are seeing a case being put forward to defend Murder Marc? Really? Wow. Actually not really that surprising at all.

Now the Australians, well all I have to say is 'Casey Stoner', that is all that is needed.

And the rest either fall into line to fit in, take the piss or try to wage what could easily be considered to be a valid argument without seeing the futility in their endeavors. If you are trying to get these people to come to some sort of reasonable view on your opinions on Valentino Rossi you are completely wasting your time, there is no chance. I'm reading here that a few think that Marc's passes on Rossi at Sepang were 'clean' and fair, I saw at least 5 that would have had Casey Stoner retiring from the sport five times all over again, and if it had of happened to Casey.....well.....a punch in the back would have been just the start.

If your goal is to point out the hypocrisy, ridiculous bias, and unequivocal animosity towards Rossi then you also do not have to do this. Anyone can see it without having to look too hard. Some will say that their attitude towards Rossi is directly attributed to his fans, the yellow horde, the yellow army, the boppers etc etc. This is fair enough if true, there are plenty of fanatical lunatics on both sides and one can certainly develop a deeper disliking for a sports figure because of the devotion of rabid fans-I know I have been guilty of having opinions influenced by this too.

The escalation in hatred towards Rossi after Sepang is understandable-particularly with the existing embedded views some have on him, and the defense of him by his fan base is also borderline insanity also. But events like this from riders with as much at stake as Rossi do not come without provocation and what I'm hoping is the continued investigation will reveal the facts about Phillip Island and Sepang-note I used the word 'hoping'.

For me there is no precedent in this sport ever I believe, for the sheer volume of comment and interest the Sepang Round has created, Kropo even shut down his comments section. Personally I think both sides have valid arguments with what transpired, what is for certain for me is the facts of the telemetry data from Marc's bike at PI and Sepang will potentially make one side of the argument look hopelessly silly. What many are failing to address is that is 2011 a very hard charging rider was killed at this very event, from what I saw-particularly from Marc Marquez (Murder Marc;)) in those early laps we are very lucky to have not witnessed a much worse outcome.

Rossi stand over was not right-possibly justified but not right, however it was not dangerous at all #lookatmewhenimtalkingtoyouson, and Marcs crash was actually quite silly as the video evidence suggests he caused his own demise by head butting Rossi's leg. Using the 'dangerous' argument for the 'actual' incident whilst not considering the previous four laps worth of insanity displays either an overly emotional response or a serious amount of bias-or both, particularly the last chop pass from Marc-an impossible move which looked strikingly similar to the Argentinian event only reversed and on purpose (Marc is known for emulating Rossi). The incident would actually not have even been able to take place if Marc wasn't running so wide because of the previous bone headed move-lap 7-third place-losing touch with the leaders.

And from what I'm reading here and elsewhere, the sport is now considered to be in a far worse state because of it. Somehow though I don't think it will stop any current fan and possibly a few million more now watching every minute of Valencia next weekend-worse state for motogp? Possibly morally-but certainly not financially. Rabid fans indeed


“For there is but one essential justice which cements society, and one law which establishes this justice. This law is right reason, which is the true rule of all commandments and prohibitions. Whoever neglects this law, whether written or unwritten, is necessarily unjust and wicked.”

I hit the like button 10 times but only 1 like registers. So I gave you a 30 second standing ovation for a brilliant post and also providing some confirmations of this forum being an anti Valentino Rossi boys club.
 
I hit the like button 10 times but only 1 like registers. So I gave you a 30 second standing ovation for a brilliant post and also providing some confirmations of this forum being an anti Valentino Rossi boys club.

The club that support Stoner who's too ..... to ride and nicky who's too .... to ride!!!:D
 
Shame Nicky is leaving Motogp! :D

Yes it is a shame.

But you know what is interesting about Nicky, his career arc in MotoGP pretty much matches the career arc of every other big name who hung around for a long time. They eventually lose their factory ride, and then wind up on a satellite bike, hoping to hang around for awhile.

Rossi on the other hand got bailed out of what should have been a move from the Ducati to a midfielder or backmarker.

In recent history, how many guys at the age of 33/34 were given one of the four best bikes on the grid to compete with? Biaggi is the only one that comes to mind off the top of my head when he got the Repsol Honda deal in 2004, and he found himself out of MotoGP at the age of 34.

Let's be honest, VR is only still in MotoGP because he means a lot of money from ratings, to sponsors, to sales. Was he the best choice for that 2nd M1? Only if you factor in the other stuff. Without it, there's hardly a compelling reason to see VR on a factory Yamaha at 34 and older.
 

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