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Must be nice working for Puig!

We are only what, 5 or 6 races in. I can’t see how they know any more about Pol than they did a month ago. He seemed like a good fit as second banana to MM. I think it is likely that HRC is becoming aware that MM’s star is burning out and they need to attract another sure fire winner instead of a second banana. Not sure that is Mir though.
 
True, I think Nick had a similar year but I liked Nick.

On being fit or not, you’ve got to show up to win or place. It’s not anybody else’s problem if you aren’t there or are not fit.

According to wiki

'06 Hayden: 2 wins, 10 podiums & 252 pts.
'20 Mir: 1 win, 7 podiums and 171 pts.

Both champions but rightly or wrongly, the dreaded * may always be next to their names.
 
I did mean to put Taka on there and forgot, thanks. However if he is out then his ride will certainly go to Ai Ogura.

I believe there is interest in Fernandez from Yamaha but Remy may have nowhere else to go.

It appears Ogura has figured out the Moto2 bike. If he keeps performing I think he's definitely at LCR.

I think that interest might be mutual.
 
According to wiki

'06 Hayden: 2 wins, 10 podiums & 252 pts.
'20 Mir: 1 win, 7 podiums and 171 pts.

Both champions but rightly or wrongly, the dreaded * may always be next to their names.

People need to realize that slow and steady can win the day, not every rider is going to straight blitz every track.
 
According to wiki

'06 Hayden: 2 wins, 10 podiums & 252 pts.
'20 Mir: 1 win, 7 podiums and 171 pts.

Both champions but rightly or wrongly, the dreaded * may always be next to their names.

Different number of tracks in the two seasons.

Likeability was certainly a factor for Nicky fans. Plus there was the whole David and Goliath dynamic with him going up against Rossi. We had one member here who had virtual Nicky Hayden shrine in his house.

While this forum is a too-small sampling of public opinion, I’d just point out that I’ve yet to see anyone here demonstrate any real passion for Mir. Same on other forums I’ve poked around in.
 
Couldn't really give a rat's arse about likeability compared to ability.
The job is to ride the bike faster than every other competitor.
If you can do that consistently you don't need to be that nice a bloke.
 
Different number of tracks in the two seasons.

Likeability was certainly a factor for Nicky fans. Plus there was the whole David and Goliath dynamic with him going up against Rossi. We had one member here who had virtual Nicky Hayden shrine in his house.

While this forum is a too-small sampling of public opinion, I’d just point out that I’ve yet to see anyone here demonstrate any real passion for Mir. Same on other forums I’ve poked around in.


That's when I first started following MotoGP and when Dani took Nicky out, I was gutted.
 
That's when I first started following MotoGP and when Dani took Nicky out, I was gutted.

Oh yeah. Likewise. I’ve been following since late 70s when it was called Formula One, but there were some race-related tragedies in my life and I was too depressed to watch from ‘89 till 2006. Luckily I had a bunch of Tamil Indian guys who worked at my shop then, and they would invite me on the weekends to come by for home cooked Tamil food and the first time I went, they were watching MotoGp on the flat-screen and I was hooked all over again. The fact that there was an American doing well in Europe after all these years, really got me psyched. You just couldn’t help but root for Nicky. Even Rog who was an over the top Rossi guy, had a huge soft spot for Nicky.
 
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I never forgave pedrosa for that. (This is the guy who cheated on his yacht captain’s exam.) I watched Nick’s first “legal” AMA 600 race at Willow Springs when he had just turned 16. I had been racing at that track for two years and knew it pretty well. He and Kurtis Roberts were drifting the bikes in every corner, it was fun to watch. I was a fan until the end. I loved how he never said anything bad about anybody as far as I know and in that he reminded me of Eddie Lawson. He was badass in a really cool, low key way. I’m glad he got to be World Champion once.
 
That's when I first started following MotoGP and when Dani took Nicky out, I was gutted.

Worst part about Dani torpedoing Nick is that Honda had seemingly decided to give all Honda runners the best overnight specials to push Rossi as far down as possible. Elias won and KRJR finished 3rd.

The Repsols might have cleared off or maybe we would have enjoyed a 5 way battle royale for the win. We’ll never know.
 
Worst part about Dani torpedoing Nick is that Honda had seemingly decided to give all Honda runners the best overnight specials to push Rossi as far down as possible. Elias won and KRJR finished 3rd.

The Repsols might have cleared off or maybe we would have enjoyed a 5 way battle royale for the win. We’ll never know.

Rossis blown engines made it easy for Honda.
 
Couldn't really give a rat's arse about likeability compared to ability.
The job is to ride the bike faster than every other competitor.
If you can do that consistently you don't need to be that nice a bloke.

This is certainly true regarding race results, which is why people race.

However, I have lived long enough to have come to care more about character in general and in addition to results. As distinct from likeability.

As a result, victories by the likes of Lawson, Stoner, Lorenzo, Quartararo, Clark or Prost mean more to me personally than those of Rossi, Doohan, Marquez, Mir, Senna or Schumacher.

For example, I have never seen anybody ride a motorcycle like Marc Marquez or drive a car like Ayrton Senna. However, their less than honorable instances of running people off the road on purpose makes me place an asterisk on their body of results.

By character, I also mean post race demeanor and statements, in addition to racing and winning in such a way as to not endanger or run other competitors off the track.

It used to infuriate me that later in his career, Doohan would inevitably come up with some excuse for a loss, pointing the finger at something or somebody else. There is naturally a fine line between pointing out a technical issue or making it somebody else’s fault.

Lawson will forever live in my mind as the dude who, when the team manager suggested firing the mechanic who failed to bolt the brakes on to his bike at Laguna which took him out of the running for a good number of races and the championship that year, instead insisted that that guy take care of his brakes going forward, reasoning that he wouldn’t make that mistake again. That’s balls.
 
This is certainly true regarding race results, which is why people race.



However, I have lived long enough to have come to care more about character in general and in addition to results. As distinct from likeability.



As a result, victories by the likes of Lawson, Stoner, Lorenzo, Quartararo, Clark or Prost mean more to me personally than those of Rossi, Doohan, Marquez, Mir, Senna or Schumacher.



For example, I have never seen anybody ride a motorcycle like Marc Marquez or drive a car like Ayrton Senna. However, their less than honorable instances of running people off the road on purpose makes me place an asterisk on their body of results.



By character, I also mean post race demeanor and statements, in addition to racing and winning in such a way as to not endanger or run other competitors off the track.



It used to infuriate me that later in his career, Doohan would inevitably come up with some excuse for a loss, pointing the finger at something or somebody else. There is naturally a fine line between pointing out a technical issue or making it somebody else’s fault.



Lawson will forever live in my mind as the dude who, when the team manager suggested firing the mechanic who failed to bolt the brakes on to his bike at Laguna which took him out of the running for a good number of races and the championship that year, instead insisted that that guy take care of his brakes going forward, reasoning that he wouldn’t make that mistake again. That’s balls.
Not a bad anecdote regarding Lawson. I liked him also.

I remember watching Doohan at a Sandown superbike race in the late 80s.
Destroyed everyone. Left Robbie Phillis and others half a lap or so behind.
I was young but realised he was bloody good.
Doohan wasn't perhaps that likeable but he understood being on top psychologically and it was part of the single minded focus to dominate imo.

Have seen Marquez do .... on a bike nobody else can and watched him endure some pretty ugly crap from team yellow and destroy him on the track. I enjoyed that and it makes me like him more.
Best I've seen.
 
Indeed. If you look at race results from '06, Nicky had a whole bunch of top 5 finishes.

Nicky was the best that year, pure and simple, in a year when the equipment was probably as even as it has ever been. I followed him in American super bikes which was well covered in Australia back then, and took a shine to him. He was more along the lines of the great American riders who preceded him in the 500 class, and was a great super bike rider imo which the 990s more closely resembled than the pocket bike 800s which came after. If he was only the best for 1 year so be it, it was still wondrous. High character guy as well as has been said.

I was a big Bayliss fan as well, but still think there was a fair chance of winning that last race had winning been necessary.
 
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This is certainly true regarding race results, which is why people race.

However, I have lived long enough to have come to care more about character in general and in addition to results. As distinct from likeability.

As a result, victories by the likes of Lawson, Stoner, Lorenzo, Quartararo, Clark or Prost mean more to me personally than those of Rossi, Doohan, Marquez, Mir, Senna or Schumacher.

For example, I have never seen anybody ride a motorcycle like Marc Marquez or drive a car like Ayrton Senna. However, their less than honorable instances of running people off the road on purpose makes me place an asterisk on their body of results.

By character, I also mean post race demeanor and statements, in addition to racing and winning in such a way as to not endanger or run other competitors off the track.

It used to infuriate me that later in his career, Doohan would inevitably come up with some excuse for a loss, pointing the finger at something or somebody else. There is naturally a fine line between pointing out a technical issue or making it somebody else’s fault.

Lawson will forever live in my mind as the dude who, when the team manager suggested firing the mechanic who failed to bolt the brakes on to his bike at Laguna which took him out of the running for a good number of races and the championship that year, instead insisted that that guy take care of his brakes going forward, reasoning that he wouldn’t make that mistake again. That’s balls.
We agree on some riders/drivers and differ on others.

I was always a Proust over Senna guy.

Your recollection of Doohan’s career and mine differ, he didn’t need many excuses during the 5 title run from 1994 to 1998, then sustained a second injury which ended his career a few races into the 1999 season as I recall. I was a huge fan and posted as Doohan fan on another forum, and liked his uncompromising attitude which is perhaps how Australians see themselves, even though we are mostly soft city folk.

Casey Stoner is my all time favourite though not because he was the best over a career, although I don’t think many have ridden better than he did in his 2 title winning seasons. He was poetry in motion on a bike, as Shuei Nakamoto more or less said when comparing him with MM, particularly around PI, and I could happily watch him ride laps around PI all day on his own.

I am with Warthog in MM being the best as a total package. I was down on him as too dangerous earlier in his career, but had to be impressed with how he stood up to everything that Rossi and the Valeban dished out to him, and he has done things nobody else could do on a bike imo. Lawson is an all time favourite as well and in that echelon, as well as being unimpeachable in character and general deportment as you say. Rossi is right up there with those guys as a rider of course , too bad he is a prick as a human being.
 
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