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I'd put Taka on that list as well. At this point, I can see both Raul and Remy wanting out of KTM.

I did mean to put Taka on there and forgot, thanks. However if he is out then his ride will certainly go to Ai Ogura.

I believe there is interest in Fernandez from Yamaha but Remy may have nowhere else to go.
 
I can't see Mir not getting a ride. He's a recent world champion. Riders I see in trouble at the end of this yr, especially if they continue their current form:

Alex Marquez
Pol Espargaro
Maverick Vinales
Franco Morbidelli

It's almost accepted that Dovi is out of the sport at the end of the yr, if not sooner, so there is a 'factory contract' M1 up for grabs too.

I see Yamaha trying to get Mir to replace Morbidelli and if they don't get him, having Rins.If Rins doesn't get a Yamaha ride I think he will replace Vinales at Aprilia (or even Aleix, he's getting up there in years).

I'm sure Mir and Rins will be fine, and they'll land somewhere decent. However, it sounds like Mir's manager at least was invested in the Suzuki option so Mir, at least, will be scrambling a bit.
 
I would have expected the riders to have an exit clause in their contracts, requiring sufficient notice to dissolve any financial ties.

Always wondered how the factories pay out salaries to riders. Do riders get paid full-in-advance for both seasons of a two-year contract? Or do they get paid a year at a time?
 
Always wondered how the factories pay out salaries to riders. Do riders get paid full-in-advance for both seasons of a two-year contract? Or do they get paid a year at a time?

Probably a bit of everything. Base pay to cover the bills and mortgage. They probably get a signing bonus up front. Then they get incentive pay for wins, podiums, finishing position in the riders, manufacturers, and teams championships. They might get paid separately for testing or maybe they get a contract completion bonus if they stay healthy and participate in 85%-90% of all events and tests. Then they might get royalty for merchandising and licensing, like using their likeness and name in MotoGP video games.

No telling how complicated these contracts are. You need a lawyer just to make sure you're actually getting paid.
 
Suzuki Departure Caused By Outdated Business Model

Decent article. The hypothesis presented in the headline is contradicted by the body of the article, but the author does a decent job of demonstrating that Suzuki's business model is much different than Honda and Yamaha.

Suzuki is anchored to the European, North American and Indian motorcycle markets. Honda and Yamaha are growing their business in Southeast Asia, which is a motorsport obsessed customer demographic.

The North American and European markets are contracting and the product mix is unstable due to restrictive Euro regulations. The Suzuki Hyabusa for instance, will not be legal in Europe starting with the 2023 model year.

What is MotoGP providing to help manufacturers expand in the North American and European marketplaces? Basically nothing, unless you're Ducati, catering to the plutocracy with exotic bikes.

Suzuki is not the only manufacturer tethered to the European and North American markets. I wonder how much longer Aprilia and KTM can hold on, if they are not seeing an increase in profitability and sales of high-displacement motorcycles?

It's unclear what Suzuki are planning to do, but Superbike provides a vastly superior motorsport platform, if you're motivated by win-Sunday-sell-Monday in Europe and North America. Building a proper homologation special and making it competitive in World SBK will net thousands of additional sales over the product life cycle to racing teams, club amateurs and street bike collectors.
 
from my perspective as a dealer, Suzuki brand in the US never really recovered from the 2008 recession. Most of the other brands had made the necessary adjustments and were in good shape by 2012. Their marketing was a mess, supply issues, their price structure was out of line, and their technology was lagging behind.
 
Suzuki Departure Caused By Outdated Business Model

Decent article. The hypothesis presented in the headline is contradicted by the body of the article, but the author does a decent job of demonstrating that Suzuki's business model is much different than Honda and Yamaha.

Suzuki is anchored to the European, North American and Indian motorcycle markets. Honda and Yamaha are growing their business in Southeast Asia, which is a motorsport obsessed customer demographic.

The North American and European markets are contracting and the product mix is unstable due to restrictive Euro regulations. The Suzuki Hyabusa for instance, will not be legal in Europe starting with the 2023 model year.

What is MotoGP providing to help manufacturers expand in the North American and European marketplaces? Basically nothing, unless you're Ducati, catering to the plutocracy with exotic bikes.

Suzuki is not the only manufacturer tethered to the European and North American markets. I wonder how much longer Aprilia and KTM can hold on, if they are not seeing an increase in profitability and sales of high-displacement motorcycles?

It's unclear what Suzuki are planning to do, but Superbike provides a vastly superior motorsport platform, if you're motivated by win-Sunday-sell-Monday in Europe and North America. Building a proper homologation special and making it competitive in World SBK will net thousands of additional sales over the product life cycle to racing teams, club amateurs and street bike collectors.

Again, a fair assessment.

I’m no longer in the market for sport bikes in general, but I always wanted the full liter SV. I still have the original sales brochure for it. Might have to get one someday.

Suzuki also have the distinction of fielding killer and affordable production versions of their race bikes.

And then there is Kevin Schwanz. Man it’s like I’m talking about the brand in the past tense. I hope not!
 
So true that Ducati seems to be marketing to “yuppie” mega bucks guys. They lost me a long ago anyway, but I’m a retro guy.

Fun watching BAT auctions of all those “Hailwood” et al bikes. I thought they were cool at the time.

It’s all ok, I love watching Pecco rock.

And I got to ride an 851. And watch Casey Stoner on a Duc, so all is well with the world, even if I find the. Ducati brass distasteful.

By the way is it just me, or is the TV camera not focused like it used to be on Gigi as much as it is on the Ducati boss in the pits? What a dick……
 
I did mean to put Taka on there and forgot, thanks. However if he is out then his ride will certainly go to Ai Ogura.

I believe there is interest in Fernandez from Yamaha but Remy may have nowhere else to go.

The reality is, there are only a handful of really top quality rides at any given time in the top class of any motor sport.

And there are only a similarly small number of top class riders/drivers who are going to get those rides/drives.

But it is highly entertaining to watch the pretenders jostle for position.

Like Mir……
 
The sentiment that a rider can only race against the extant competitors holds true. That said, it felt a lot like all the cards fell perfectly into place that year for Mir. Marquez was out of the equation, and Yamaha’s engineering folly killed Fabio’s chances of taking the championship we all believed he was destined for. Had to be the most tedious season in decades.
 
How is Mir a pretender? Hes a world champ...

Yes, he is indeed a former world champion and he will always have VIP entrance to the paddock.

That said, he won that year by simply finishing races. Which you of course have to do to win a championship. He won one race, barely hanging on to win in the most tedious manner, to quote Keshav. He regularly finishes races mid pack. He’s used other riders as berms, seems really smug and has no sense of humor. Of course he doesn’t owe me anything, nor do I to him. I just don’t like him.

Yeah, pretender.
 
Nicky's year was about the same?

MM is still not fit imo, so I guess Fabs hasnt beat him, thus not a champion...
 
from my perspective as a dealer, Suzuki brand in the US never really recovered from the 2008 recession. Most of the other brands had made the necessary adjustments and were in good shape by 2012. Their marketing was a mess, supply issues, their price structure was out of line, and their technology was lagging behind.

Suzuki USA had a bad run of luck back then. GFC caused sales to crash. Spies bailed to Yamaha. Mladin retired. Yamaha released the new R1 and DMG took over AMA SBK, a series which Suzuki had used to build brand recognition in the US.

Suzuki need to turn it around in the US, but MotoAmerica isn't as high profile as the old AMA SBK. Plus, MotoAmerica is running WSBK or similar rules, which cannot be easily exploited by a tuning company like Yoshimura.

Tough road ahead for them in the US.
 
Nicky's year was about the same?

MM is still not fit imo, so I guess Fabs hasnt beat him, thus not a champion...

True, I think Nick had a similar year but I liked Nick.

On being fit or not, you’ve got to show up to win or place. It’s not anybody else’s problem if you aren’t there or are not fit.
 
Suzuki USA had a bad run of luck back then. GFC caused sales to crash. Spies bailed to Yamaha. Mladin retired. Yamaha released the new R1 and DMG took over AMA SBK, a series which Suzuki had used to build brand recognition in the US.

Suzuki need to turn it around in the US, but MotoAmerica isn't as high profile as the old AMA SBK. Plus, MotoAmerica is running WSBK or similar rules, which cannot be easily exploited by a tuning company like Yoshimura.

Tough road ahead for them in the US.

Racers dont sell bikes for motorcycle brands in the USA, 95% of the people that buy sport bikes from me probably do not know who Rossi is. Occasionally someone might know who James Stewart is or Chad Reed. These days social media and youtube influencers probably sell more bikes then the actual racers, and thats another area that suzuki is lagging in.

Back in 2006 I used to sell 2 or 3 GSXRs a week, all I needed was $500 down and 2 pay stubs showing that you earn at least $9/hr and work full time. Just about anyone that wanted a bike could afford one, and most buyers were under 25 years old. These days financing a bike is a lot harder, sportbike buyers are closer to 40 years old, and have their own financing in place.
 
Racers dont sell bikes for motorcycle brands in the USA, 95% of the people that buy sport bikes from me probably do not know who Rossi is. Occasionally someone might know who James Stewart is or Chad Reed. These days social media and youtube influencers probably sell more bikes then the actual racers, and thats another area that suzuki is lagging in.

Back in 2006 I used to sell 2 or 3 GSXRs a week, all I needed was $500 down and 2 pay stubs showing that you earn at least $9/hr and work full time. Just about anyone that wanted a bike could afford one, and most buyers were under 25 years old. These days financing a bike is a lot harder, sportbike buyers are closer to 40 years old, and have their own financing in place.

True, but once upon a time, the old-school influencers who told those vacuous souls what sportbike to like were often influenced themselves by motorsport.

Today, you're right though. Social media is no longer controlled by print and television. Motorsport, particularly motorcycle racing, has lost touch, and the manufacturers haven't done much to develop the influencer media, either.

We're living in a different space time. Unclear whether motorsport will regain its ability to influence consumer behavior and media content.
 
Speed Week said:
Talks are currently being held between Joan Mir manager Paco Sanchez and HRC.

Media in Italy and Spain are now reporting that Repsol Honda team principal Alberto Puig had already informed Pol Espargaró at the Spanish GP in Jerez that he had to look for a new employer and that his contract would not be extended after 2022.

But Pol Espargaró's closest entourage assured SPEEDWEEK.com today that the 2013 Moto2 World Champion had not yet been informed by HRC about the plans and intentions for the 2023 MotoGP season.

https://www.motorcyclesports.net/ar...mmunicated-the-decision-not-to-renew-contract

https://www.motorcyclesports.net/articles/farewell-pol-espargaro-honda-opens-doors-for-joan-mir
 
True, but once upon a time, the old-school influencers who told those vacuous souls what sportbike to like were often influenced themselves by motorsport.

Today, you're right though. Social media is no longer controlled by print and television. Motorsport, particularly motorcycle racing, has lost touch, and the manufacturers haven't done much to develop the influencer media, either.

We're living in a different space time. Unclear whether motorsport will regain its ability to influence consumer behavior and media content.

Motorsport’s problems are compounded by the issue that many would be influenced people do not only not care much about Motorsport, they barely care about bikes or cars at all.
 

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