Stress in MotoGP

Ah, who was the last guy to win a MotoGP championship, Rossi or Stoner? I guess relevance depends on what you consider relevant. MM has won four ships and JLo has won three and Rossi has won none in this same time period. Let us again, without calling the Spanish cheats, figure out who may have a problem cracking under pressure.

Mr. Rossi can still ride very fast, however his relevance to winning the series championship may be fading faster than Uccio's cut-off jeans. It always strikes me odd that younger people get hung up as Rossi fans, when I, a really old ...., likes the young Marquez. Go figure.

Iamapony said:

figure out who may have a problem cracking under pressure.

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The one who is still racing or the one who picked his ball up and went home scowling...?

Gee, that’s a tough one to figure out!

Funny how Doohan is never brought up but Stoner is in every other thread.
Doohan wiped the floor in GP like Stoner never did.
It just proves what I've known for a long time. Doohan never raced Rossi and Boners only like Stoner out of their hate for Rossi.

Well, I was actually talking about Rossi versus the Spaniards. I thought that was clear. You just don't seem to understand that Rossi hasn't won the championship in EIGHT YEARS. And if you don't think he has cracked OPENLY under pressure, I guess you wear yellow colored glasses. And Stoner beat him the last two years they raced each other. I am not sure what you are missing.

There is no point to come here and be another Stoner hater. I didn't come here as another Rossi hater. He is just past his time. Since 2006, he has broken under pressure several times. And personally, I think the series would be better off without him. He sucks up too much money and energy from the series. Just like in this conversation.

Forum logic: Pedrosa has cracked and crumbled under pressure as he has never won a MotoGP championship. So has Dovi. And so did Stoner between 2007 and 2012.

Because if you don’t win the championship, you have clearly cracked under pressure.

P.s. if you run away because you can’t compete, you have not cracked under pressure.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Funny how Doohan is never brought up but Stoner is in every other thread.
Doohan wiped the floor in GP like Stoner never did.
It just proves what I've known for a long time. Doohan never raced Rossi and Boners only like Stoner out of their hate for Rossi.

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Maybe also because Doohan picked Rossi as his heir apparent and not Stoner?
Doohan was dominant. Rossi was dominant. Stoner won two championships years apart.

They don’t belong in the same discussion.

Iamapony said:

He sucks up too much money and energy from the series. Just like in this conversation.

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Forum logic part 2: The guy who brings in the biggest merchandise sales, the guy who makes millions tune in, the guy who has more name value recognition than anyone else currently racing... is sucking up money from the series.

I hope you don’t manage the books of any company. Because that’s just terrible reasoning.

Doohan won 5 consecutive championships with 1 leg.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Funny how Doohan is never brought up but Stoner is in every other thread.
Doohan wiped the floor in GP like Stoner never did.
It just proves what I've known for a long time. Doohan never raced Rossi and Boners only like Stoner out of their hate for Rossi.

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Actually this post probably goes a long way towards proving what several posters on here think about you ie that you have little interest in actual bike racing or discussing it and engage in the forum mainly to snipe at other posters.

If you had actually been reading the posts in your ten years of involvrment you would know that most of the long term fans on here are major Doohan fans, particularly the Australians, and that hardly anyone would rate Stoner his superior, Mick’s status being so obvious particularly as a byword for toughness and detraction from him being so ridiculous that even the Valeban/boppers (those that have heard of him) don’t attack him and hence his fans have no necessity to defend him. I myself actually posted on another forum as Doohanfan. The situation is the reverse of what you argue, it is actually because many on this forum followed the sport during the era of Doohan and the great American golden era 500 gp riders that the perspective on here is different, particularly an awareness that gp bike racing history didn’t begin with Rossi.

synn said:

Forum logic part 2: The guy who brings in the biggest merchandise sales, the guy who makes millions tune in, the guy who has more name value recognition than anyone else currently racing... is sucking up money from the series.

I hope you don’t manage the books of any company. Because that’s just terrible reasoning.

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Yes of course he brings money to the sport. That is the problem actually, the financial benefit he brings them is exactly why a rider who hasn’t won a title for 8 years has undue influence on the merchant bankers/venture capitalists who run the sport, and why the sport still has such a disproportionate focus on him despite there being a 25 year old out there competing who is as good as Rossi was when he was 25 rather than rising 39 as he is now.

synn said:

Forum logic: Pedrosa has cracked and crumbled under pressure as he has never won a MotoGP championship. So has Dovi. And so did Stoner between 2007 and 2012.

Because if you don’t win the championship, you have clearly cracked under pressure.

P.s. if you run away because you can’t compete, you have not cracked under pressure.

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Synn logic; argue the reverse of actuality.

Stoner not being able to win further titles for Ducati being evidence that he lacked mental toughness was exactly what was widely argued by those of your ilk during that time.

Then some bloke called Valentino Rossi took over his seat with that marque.

Rossi over the last few years reminds me more of Dale Earnhardt Jr, he'll always have the most fans, he'll always win the popularity awards, he'll always win the odd race but in the end will be outdone over the whole season.

AntG said:

Rossi over the last few years reminds me more of Dale Earnhardt Jr, he'll always have the most fans, he'll always win the popularity awards, he'll always win the odd race but in the end will be outdone over the whole season.

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He obviously was strongly in contention for the 2015 title and I would have had no problem acknowledging him for winning it fair and square as he looked like doing for much of that season, despite my antipathy towards that certain element among his fandom and even though my fan allegiance was to Lorenzo then. It would have been an achievement which ranked with and possibly exceeded Ago’s 8th title which he won on a Yamaha, precisely why he wanted it so much I guess. His behaviour in the denouement of the contest for that title is why my antipathy came to extend from that element among his fans to Rossi himself however.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Funny how Doohan is never brought up but Stoner is in every other thread.
Doohan wiped the floor in GP like Stoner never did.
It just proves what I've known for a long time. Doohan never raced Rossi and Boners only like Stoner out of their hate for Rossi.

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Funny that you've been on this forum for so long and still haven't a clue as to what goes on here. Do a search. Doohan's name comes up here all the time. Everyone who actually is a fan of racing reveres him. Whereas trolls like you just want to glom onto the name of someone who you barely know anything about, strictly for the sake of trying making a pretense of knowing anything at all. You are such a poser, and a very clumsy one at that.

Ha! Did a search for the fun of it. There's hardly a thread in the last 50 topics that don't contain discussion of Doohan!

michaelm said:

Yes of course he brings money to the sport. That is the problem actually, the financial benefit he brings them is exactly why a rider who hasn’t won a title for 8 years has undue influence on the merchant bankers/venture capitalists who run the sport, and why the sport still has such a disproportionate focus on him despite there being a 25 year old out there competing who is as good as Rossi was when he was 25 rather than rising 39 as he is now.

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Forum logic part three: having not won the title in 8 years means you don’t deserve to be in the sport, let alone a factory seat.

(Dovi, Pedrosa excluded).

Also the sport is so under control of the Rossi mafia, they gave the Rossi-less Ducati team the chance to openly flout all senses of decency and be an “open” class team until they could stop sucking. You know, because more competition benefits Rossi so much. Or how taking away the highly advanced factory ECU helped him... and So on.

Please, continue to educate us!

michaelm said:

Synn logic; argue the reverse of actuality.

Stoner not being able to win further titles for Ducati being evidence that he lacked mental toughness was exactly what was widely argued by those of your ilk during that time.

Then some bloke called Valentino Rossi took over his seat with that marque.

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Forum logic part 4: Rossi taking over stoner’s seat and not winning is Rossi’s fault, even though he was generally the fastest Ducati around.

Vinales taking over Lorenzo’s seat and not winning is... Rossi’s fault!

Lorenzo taking over Iannone’s seat and not winning is... is that Rossi’s fault too?

Iannone taking over Vinales’ seat and not winning is... you know the drill!

michaelm said:

Actually this post probably goes a long way towards proving what several posters on here think about you ie that you have little interest in actual bike racing or discussing it and engage in the forum mainly to snipe at other posters.

If you had actually been reading the posts in your ten years of involvrment you would know that most of the long term fans on here are major Doohan fans, particularly the Australians, and that hardly anyone would rate Stoner his superior, Mick’s status being so obvious particularly as a byword for toughness and detraction from him being so ridiculous that even the Valeban/boppers (those that have heard of him) don’t attack him and hence his fans have no necessity to defend him. I myself actually posted on another forum as Doohanfan. The situation is the reverse of what you argue, it is actually because many on this forum followed the sport during the era of Doohan and the great American golden era 500 gp riders that the perspective on here is different, particularly an awareness that gp bike racing history didn’t begin with Rossi.

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Mike, I wasn't referring to you or Gaz in that post. The people that liked your post are the obvious culprits amongst many others.
In fact you are the only Stoner fan that has ever given props to Rossi about anything.
They just surf around to find pro Stoner comments to like and attack anyone who doesn't. Im okay with passionate fans but if you find everything about your guy to be perfect and can not withstand any critique about them, than your opinion is worthless.

synn said:

Forum logic part 4: Rossi taking over stoner’s seat and not winning is Rossi’s fault, even though he was generally the fastest Ducati around.

Vinales taking over Lorenzo’s seat and not winning is... Rossi’s fault!

Lorenzo taking over Iannone’s seat and not winning is... is that Rossi’s fault too?

Iannone taking over Vinales’ seat and not winning is... you know the drill!

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Synn "logic" would seem to involve either a complete unfamiliarity with the whole concept of logic or a determination to prove mastery of the "straw man" logical fallacy.

Of course Rossi, a rider at the time regarded as the unquestioned GOAT even by most of those with whom you currently contend who were active on the forum back then, and of being able to ride/adapt to any bike, being unable to win on a Ducati proved much more about the nature of the Ducati than it did about Rossi. What it did do however, as was the implication of my post to which you replied, was prove that the widespread contentions including by many of your ilk, and belief /contention of Rossi himself for that matter, that the problem with the Ducati was Stoner and the bike itself if anything had an advantage over the Yamaha and the Honda were completely wrong.

Similarly of course not being able to beat the likes of MM and Lorenzo in the prime of their careers to win titles in his mid to late thirties isn't any evidence of an inability to handle pressure, but Rossi as was entirely admirable was in strong contention for a title only 2 seasons ago, and if his behaviour at the end of that season, particularly the wild eyed/red eyed accusations/allegations of conspiracy in the pre-Sepang press conference and the taking out of another rider while attempting to illegally run him off the track in the subsequent race weren't examples of self defeating behaviour under pressure I am not sure what else would ever qualify. Those events also bring into question his demise at Valencia 2006 in the only other season he was ever involved in a down to the wire contest for a premier class title, although I am willing to accept a bad tyre from Michelin may have been a factor in that instance.

synn said:

Forum logic part 4: Rossi taking over stoner’s seat and not winning is Rossi’s fault, even though he was generally the fastest Ducati around.

Vinales taking over Lorenzo’s seat and not winning is... Rossi’s fault!

Lorenzo taking over Iannone’s seat and not winning is... is that Rossi’s fault too?

Iannone taking over Vinales’ seat and not winning is... you know the drill!

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Speaking of Drills. Any old schoolers in touch with him? I know he had so significant mental issues he couldn't get control of. Hope he's found his way