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Stoners warm-up lap

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 17 2010, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is there really any need? Does BM need to actually admit he can't back up his claims before you be truly secure that your judgement is correct? Or as i suspect is this becoming a mission of pride where you hope BM can be intimidated into conceeding publically so his name can be dragged through the dirt? Personally if BM isn't prepared to discuss the foundations of his understanding then there is no need to press the issue.
As usual Tom you stand so proudly upon the moral high ground that the thin air has gone to your head. You don't need to drag Barry's name through the dirt - he sullies himself as you well know with his tireless ........ and bragging. Who asked you anyway? Read his signature - read his previous posts, he's not averse to belittling other people himself.

I don't like bullshitters Tom - if this is a personal crusade, then so be it. Sooner or later they get found out as you yourself did. But it is very easy when you are 11,000 miles away anonymously over an internet forum to tell someone you have taught all your life, and that you ride like a god. People that feel the need to incessantly tell you they are something, generally are not.

Dismount your high horse, read some of Barry's posts over the last few months, and some of his disdainful remarks before you pass sanctimonious ones of your own.

You're right it really doesn't matter what Barry claims to be owing to the fact that he's quite clearly regarded as the biggest bullshitter on this forum, but I sent him a very gracious PM offering a DVD recording of James Whitham discussing backing in, along with any racing that wanted recording, and it was completely ignored and disregarded. Why? because it's inconvenient to his argument. Whenever you make an irrefutable point he simply disregards it.

Do you think Barry will ever admit he is wrong? It never happens - it is simply not in his nature. His silence on these matters say it all. So perhaps there is no need.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 17 2010, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't like bullshitters Tom - if this is a personal crusade, then so be it.

Thats all you had to say. Almost all of us have got sucked into things of this nature on here, it happens. But it seems to me you can provide a considerably more productive input around here, as you do in the most part. I (and most likely others) wont hold it against you if you press on with the issue but doesn't look good and i doubt it'll have any impact on the aspects of BM you are so critical of. It's most likely going to encourage him because he's got under your skin.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 17 2010, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats all you had to say. Almost all of us have got sucked into things of this nature on here, it happens. But it seems to me you can provide a considerably more productive input around here, as you do in the most part. I (and most likely others) wont hold it against you if you press on with the issue but doesn't look good and i doubt it'll have any impact on the aspects of BM you are so critical of. It's most likely going to encourage him because he's got under your skin.
Fair point and point taken. That is after all the essence of a troll.

You're right - a mature post - you make me feel like I should know better - and I should.

Be interesting to see if he eventually accepts or even acknowledges the offer of my disc.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 17 2010, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fair point and point taken. That is after all the essence of a troll.

You're right - a mature post - you make me feel like I should know better - and I should.

Be interesting to see if he eventually accepts or even acknowledges the offer of my disc.
........, your entitled to put your point across and call out ........ like anyone else. Your also entitled to recap or re post a question that you feel went un answered. If you don't do this with BM he will only bring it up at a later date claiming he was proved correct (gyro). By keeping on his case you prevent him from doing this.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Apr 17 2010, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>........, your entitled to put your point across and call out ........ like anyone else. Your also entitled to recap or re post a question that you feel went un answered. If you don't do this with BM he will only bring it up at a later date claiming he was proved correct (gyro). By keeping on his case you prevent him from doing this.
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True - but Barry is a troll - he thrives on disagreeing or making outlandish statements - and as Tom say's his skin gets thicker when he gets under your own.

On the other hand, he is incapable of composing a logical argument and his lack continuity and consistency is exposed the more that he posts or feels he has to reply to a topic. He is that sense his own worse enemy.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Apr 16 2010, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your unequivitable stoner bias prevents you from seeing it........judging what one has or hasn't done with ones life based on forum posts is what you choose to do not I. Which makes you a lot dumber than I thought.

This 'stoner has achieved more than you' ....... rubbish is what I would expect from one of the monkeys or pinky. So congrats your stepping down......maybe if your grapes weren't so sow this .... wouldn't be dribbled.

No such word in the English language.

Your unequivocal Rossi bias prevents you from saying much of anything that isn't
venom-filled bile when the subject isn't what a god Rossi is. Christ you're boring.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 17 2010, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you think Barry will ever admit he is wrong?

About what?

I know how to back a bike in first hand so whatever you translate your playstation backing in as, I know its not correct, especially when you assertthat backing in is initiated by the rear brake or downshifting. I still maintain that throttle control, weight distribution and lean are the critical factors.

I know Gyro's are not the way to go with any accurate high resolution positioning system the type of positioning system that was being discussed for MGP.

What other sooks are you having at me?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Apr 17 2010, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you don't do this with BM he will only bring it up at a later date claiming he was proved correct (gyro).

Well I am correct you dubbo
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.... Find one example of such a system being used for positioning to the accuracy required to map a GP bike reliably.
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Even submarines used to get lost before GPS was invented ...... look it up. You and Arab are one and the same Rog. ..... ignorance makes you feel you are being led on
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 17 2010, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>True - but Barry is a troll -

I pulled you up on a point where you were incorrect and you follow me around here, and post PM's trying t get me to accept what I have aready exlained is incorrect, with your fellow Rog. sooking at me ....... thats what you guys call trolling isn't it?
The really stupid thing is ... Rog. posts stuff that disagrees with you Arab but does so with the usual slurs and sooking at me ..... so who knows what Rog is saying ...... all I know is he is following me around sooking at anything I say.

Its a MGP discussion forum, not a specific Rossi Bopper site, so I know you guys don't get it but you are likely to read stuff here that isn't all of the same mind as you.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 17 2010, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>About what?

I know how to back a bike in first hand so whatever you translate your playstation backing in as, I know its not correct, especially when you assertthat backing in is initiated by the rear brake or downshifting. I still maintain that throttle control, weight distribution and lean are the critical factors.

I know Gyro's are not the way to go with any accurate high resolution positioning system the type of positioning system that was being discussed for MGP.

What other sooks are you having at me?
1/ How do you back a bike in from first hand experience Barry? - Explain this to us from the approach to the entry of a corner. What exactly do you understand the term backing in to mean? Backing in occurs on the entry/slowdown for a turn - how are throttle control, weight distribution and lean the critical factors?
2/ Yet again you have ignored my offer of the DVD and my recent PM. Do you want this? and what about James Whitham's remarks at Valencia that the existence of slipper clutches have meant that most superbike riders are now backing in on the rear brake?
3/ Your own link stated the importance of the downshift and even use of the back brake
4/ You have said you have taught all your life - where? for who? when?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 17 2010, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I pulled you up on a point where you were incorrect and you follow me around here, and post PM's trying t get me to accept what I have aready exlained is incorrect, with your fellow Rog. sooking at me ....... thats what you guys call trolling isn't it?
The really stupid thing is ... Rog. posts stuff that disagrees with you Arab but does so with the usual slurs and sooking at me ..... so who knows what Rog is saying ...... all I know is he is following me around sooking at anything I say.

Its a MGP discussion forum, not a specific Rossi Bopper site, so I know you guys don't get it but you are likely to read stuff here that isn't all of the same mind as you.
What point did you pull me on that is incorrect? I originally questioned you on the Qatar test thread when you alleged to slide your 749s with ease into corners by purely shutting the throttle.

I'm sorry Barry - I sent you a PM which very politely offered to send you a clip of a commentary discussing backing in on the rear brake. I also offered to accompany that with some BSB footage which I hoped you would enjoy. I finished it by saying that I hoped you enjoyed the weekend racing at Qatar. Hardly harassment.

YOU IGNORED IT.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 18 2010, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1/ How do you back a bike in from first hand experience Barry? - Explain this to us from the approach to the entry of a corner. What exactly do you understand the term backing in to mean? Backing in occurs on the entry/slowdown for a turn - how are throttle control, weight distribution and lean the critical factors?
2/ Yet again you have ignored my offer of the DVD and my recent PM. Do you want this? and what about James Whitham's remarks at Valencia that the existence of slipper clutches have meant that most superbike riders are now backing in on the rear brake?
3/ Your own link stated the importance of the downshift and even use of the back brake
4/ You have said you have taught all your life - where? for who? when?


1. Which corner ...... I have taken a few corners in my life ..... and I believe a few of them were different from each other
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2. Why would I want to watch a DVD on a techniques I have been using for over 30 years?

3. What is it you are interpretting? "my own link" is somewhat indistinct.

4. That stays Hush
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imagine having you and Rog. find that out
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you are dreaming. Just call it ........ if you wish, but I'll still assert it
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Pick a corner, any corner and go hard at it and when you are doing it to the best of your abilities, then you tell me how you took that corner ...... and on a bike .... not a playstation
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Reading articles and watching DVD's are not going to be even 5% of what you will glean by actual practical riding.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 18 2010, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What point did you pull me on that is incorrect? I originally questioned you on the Qatar test thread when you alleged to slide your 749s with ease into corners by purely shutting the throttle.

Yes the Duc was a very "hoppy" bike .....let go easily with me on quite a few occasions of just decelleration, what is your point?

We are going around in circles here, you and Rog. really are hung upon me, I state sometingI have experienced .... you disagree, well good on you .... I've stated my case.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 17 2010, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know Gyro's are not the way to go with any accurate high resolution positioning system the type of positioning system that was being discussed for MGP.
Gyros are only "not the way to go" for positioning due to cost not accuracy. I have explained this time and time again. Gyros + appropriate software are significantly more accurate than GPS, but all that is required is "which corner are we in" which is why GPS is cheaper and yet just fine for the job.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 17 2010, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why would I want to watch a DVD on a techniques I have been using for over 30 years?
Arrabbiata is not offering a DVD explaining "techniques you understand". He is offering footage of Jamie Whitham expounding riders using the rear brake to back it in. I heard Jamie on that British Eurosport broadcast (downloaded from R-U) here in Oz and did wonder how long it would take someone to call you on it.

FFS Arrabbiata is offering to post you a DVD free of charge from Europe to Oz. It'll include some great BSB racing so why not accept it.

At the end of the day I consider Jamie Whitham to be the most articulate commentator currently in work, especially due to his own experiences. This means that I hold his viewpoint on riders backing it in by using the rear brake in significantly higher regard than I do yours.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 17 2010, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. Which corner ...... I have taken a few corners in my life ..... and I believe a few of them were different from each other
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2. Why would I want to watch a DVD on a techniques I have been using for over 30 years?

3. What is it you are interpretting? "my own link" is somewhat indistinct.

4. That stays Hush
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imagine having you and Rog. find that out
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you are dreaming. Just call it ........ if you wish, but I'll still assert it
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Pick a corner, any corner and go hard at it and when you are doing it to the best of your abilities, then you tell me how you took that corner ...... and on a bike .... not a playstation
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Reading articles and watching DVD's are not going to be even 5% of what you will glean by actual practical riding.

1/ I asked you to explain backing in as you understand it. - I got a childlike reply about different corners you have taken in your life followed by the inevitable LOL emotion x 3. YOU FAILED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION

2/ Yet again you misunderstand. For the fifth time James Whitham WSBk commentator TT and BSB winner GP, WSBk and WSS rider journalist and TV pundit categorically talked about backing in on the rear brake during superpole 2 at the last round of WSBk. I was watching this and recorded it. I am offering this to you to support my contention that currently many superbike riders back in on the rear brake, not as an instructional video you ...... I graciously offered to record you some BSB rounds to watch for entertainment to fill the rest of the disc up because I thought you enjoyed watching bike racing. It is not a DVD on techniques??!!! but the two minutes devoted to Whitham's commentary does affirm and support what I have been trying to get accros to you. YOU FAILED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. Would you like this disc and I can burn some current BSB rounds to it as well.

3/ The link you posted was a feature on backing in which as I have gone over innumerable times now gives a step by step breakdown on backing a bike in. Remember the one you said I ignored?
Here you go:

Your link

My reply:

Post-link

4/ What a bloody surprise. I call it ........ and you are clearly a bullshitter. You need to learn to back it up in addition to back it in.
 
Don't you all think there is more than one way to back the bike into a corner? If you ask me backing it in is a generic term for using the rear to steer into corners. Hell I even backed my bike into the garage using no brakes, engine or anything. And you guys were right, it was way easier to get the bike out that way. Thanks!

But for the record the only skids I think barry ever leaves are in his undies.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Apr 17 2010, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't you all think there is more than one way to back the bike into a corner? If you ask me backing it in is a generic term for using the rear to steer into corners. Hell I even backed my bike into the garage using no brakes, engine or anything. And you guys were right, it was way easier to get the bike out that way. Thanks!

But for the record the only skids I think barry ever leaves are in his undies.
Completely - and it is at the discretion of the individual rider. But as opposed to breaking the rear loose under application of the throttle - ie a powerslide, backing in tends to be in conjunction with the downshift and the drifting/sliding as a result of late braking or controlled strong application of the rear.

But the day nurse is usually on hand to change them for him. The only dirt tracking experience that Berry has is when he similarly draws mud in his incontinence pants.

You're out early today anyway Barry - time for the medication?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 15 2010, 06:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Been trying to be good and stay out of the controversial stuff, but here goes.

Can someone please tell me what a race simulation is and how you do it?

I mean, yes certainly the idea is to go out there and cut a large number of laps at a consistent pace. A pace that is thought to be that required to provide a high placing with in the race.

But thet simulation cannot take into account a true race simulation were other riders are involved, or with dicing etc and as such the only real true simulation is a race itself is it not?

Certainly, I see the argument that were CS (in this case) to have cut a string of high 1:55 laps it may'qualify' as a race simulation to some, but there is no guarantee that it would have highlighted the problem either.

Let us also recognise that CS had front end issues which he tried to adjust and ride around (some he is often accused of NOT doing) and yet he crashed (for whatever reason people wish to believe). Yet, whilst CS had front end grip issues we were to find at the end that VR had rear grip issues so if a race simulation would have identified CS's problems, why then did VR not identify his?

The answer for me is circumstance and changes to conditions from minute to minute, day to day. Basically, no matter what they did today, tomorrow was different and both suffered - one staying upright and earning 25 points, the other playing in the desert sand.

Gaz

Concentration training?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Apr 17 2010, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spell check is very patchy on iPhone

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You know what I meant smart ...........or did you?
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The question is whether you knew what you meant. What's an i phone ?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 17 2010, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Completely - and it is at the discretion of the individual rider. But as opposed to breaking the rear loose under application of the throttle - ie a powerslide, backing in tends to be in conjunction with the downshift and the drifting/sliding as a result of late braking or controlled strong application of the rear.

But the day nurse is usually on hand to change them for him. The only dirt tracking experience that Berry has is when he similarly draws mud in his incontinence pants.

You're out early today anyway Barry - time for the medication?


I understand. Because doing a slide the way barry is talking about is actually done with the front in mind. The front needs to stay total on point or bad outcome is emanate. Basically the front needs to stay while the back breaks loose. While "backing it in" is the act of initialing the back wheel to break loose for the purpose of squaring the corner sooner.
 

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