Stoners warm-up lap

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 17 2010, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've noticed Alex DeAngelis and Kenan Sofuoglu are very disciplined in such circumstances. I wonder why?
ah.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 21 2010, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi to be better than an aging mid packer.

I'd agree with that so who are you attributing that comment too ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 18 2010, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The best supermotard riders will back into a corner through controlled feeding of the clutch on the downshift, and then powerslide out from the late apex in one fluid move.

Getting perilously close to agreeing with me now ...... getting it everso slowly ......( how many words of your drivel has it taken so far since my original post?


Now ....... take that thought and think what about corners where it backs in without a downshift or even clutch manipulation ..... its the next step to getting the concept .....

but I still think it would have been quicker to get on your bike and go out and try a few corners rather than type the "tomes" of sooking at the concept ( and me ) till you get there .... it is a concept that is impossible to "think though" without practical application and trial and error at that ..... you are never going to learn it from a DVD or talking about it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 21 2010, 02:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd agree with that so who are you attributing that comment too ?
3 years ago you declared that Rossi would do no than 4th or 5th wasn't it. That was, again according to you due to high age and as a consequence declining form. 3 years later three years older it would be fair to say he would be a mid packer, at the best. Not?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 21 2010, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>3 years ago you declared that Rossi would do no than 4th or 5th wasn't it. That was, again according to you due to high age and as a consequence declining form. 3 years later three years older it would be fair to say he would be a mid packer, at the best. Not?

Wow! don't become an elephant will you

At the end of 2007, I merely showed the trend in Rossi's performance from 2005 > 2006 > 2007 and pointed out that since the progession went 1st > 2nd > 3rd, it was very likely that he would be nearer 5th place in 2008. I said during 2008 that he had defied the statistics and was doing much better than I would have anticipated, matter of fact I may have even gone on to speculate that 08 was possibly his best year ever.

Um ..... I think you need to get over it with needs like that, you aren't going to lead a very stress free life which can't be good for you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 21 2010, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Getting perilously close to agreeing with me now ...... getting it everso slowly ......( how many words of your drivel has it taken so far since my original post?


Now ....... take that thought and think what about corners where it backs in without a downshift or even clutch manipulation ..... its the next step to getting the concept .....

but I still think it would have been quicker to get on your bike and go out and try a few corners rather than type the "tomes" of sooking at the concept ( and me ) till you get there .... it is a concept that is impossible to "think though" without practical application and trial and error at that ..... you are never going to learn it from a DVD or talking about it
What is your definition of a 'bopper' because you insist on leveling it at me, so I'd be intrigued to learn how I qualify for the term?

You missed Thruxton BSB which was highly entertaining. As you will recall I have an extract form a commentary saved onto my hard drive from World Superbike Superpole Session 2 at Valencia in which James Whitham confirms the current use of the back brake in backing in a Superbike. So effectively you are now lampooning his opinion. 'Yamaka' can corroborate this because he also saw the coverage, and already has, but you choose to ignore this. So for the seventh time - I will burn this together with BSB coverage of the next round to occupy the remaining space on the disc. This confirms what I have been saying in the opinion of a TT and BSB winner, a former rider in GP, WSBK and WSS and now a respected instructor, journalist, speaker and commentator (and ex drummer with the Po Boys ). Like I have said - the seventh time of asking, would you like me to send it to you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 22 2010, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What is your definition of a 'bopper' because you insist on leveling it at me, so I'd be intrigued to learn how I qualify for the term?

You missed Thruxton BSB which was highly entertaining. As you will recall I have an extract form a commentary saved onto my hard drive from World Superbike Superpole Session 2 at Valencia in which James Whitham confirms the current use of the back brake in backing in a Superbike. So effectively you are now lampooning his opinion. 'Yamaka' can corroborate this because he also saw the coverage, and already has, but you choose to ignore this. So for the seventh time - I will burn this together with BSB coverage of the next round to occupy the remaining space on the disc. This confirms what I have been saying in the opinion of a TT and BSB winner, a former rider in GP, WSBK and WSS and now a respected instructor, journalist, speaker and commentator (and ex drummer with the Po Boys ). Like I have said - the seventh time of asking, would you like me to send it to you?
He has not got the guts arrab, he will keep hiding behind his bullshitting internet persona like a chickenshit coward troll. No better than pinky imo. after about 3 years of posting he has made no effort or friends. His loss !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw_PrqTlMbA...=1&index=30

Thats a bike .... not a games console or DVD ....... and with their right foot off the brake, and no audible downshifting

However is it so !!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Apr 23 2010, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>bullshitting


Is that like where you declare that you "know there is a link with myself and Bunyip"

You really are an odd one Rog. ..

I've said it before Rog....... just because you don't know about it, does not make it ........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 22 2010, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Like I have said - the seventh time of asking, would you like me to send it to you?

Stuff Barry, I will take a copy of the racing for sure.




Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 23 2010, 03:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw_PrqTlMbA...=1&index=30

Thats a bike .... not a games console or DVD ....... and with their right foot off the brake, and no audible downshifting

However is it so !!


Now post one of you doing it - because you've told us you can. No, I accept there is no rear, and this is sliding around the Melbourne loop....but you can hear and see the tyre lock up as the clutch is deployed in third. What about the clips I posted that clearly do involve the rear? For the eight time, I have a commentary form James Whitham talking of backing in with the rear brake - you keep ignoring me. I'll burn it together with some BSB footage - So again, for the eight time, do you want it?

Barry Christian Iddon is a God. The thrust of your argument is that in your opinion nobody backs a bike using the downshift or the back brake. I have no opinion on either/or, I have simply stated that it is rider discretion, and you can clearly see that some riders do this, which you fail to acknowledge. Just because Christian Iddon is sliding a supermotard in this way, does it mean that Johnny Rea doesn't deploy the rear brake on his Superbike? Whenever I present evidence that some riders do, you simply ignore it and say that I shouldn't be watching videos I should be out there doing it myself.

And just so you can round it up by making a total of yourself again, once more for our entertainment, an extract form THE LINK TO THE ARTICLE THAT YOU POSTED - BUT NOT BEFORE:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 21 2010, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now ....... take that thought and think what about corners where it backs in without a downshift or even clutch manipulation

..... its the next step to getting the concept .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 9 2010, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>From your own article - which you said that I ignored, I once again present the following extracts:

"As you can see here, I have hit my braking point and have started to initiate the ritual of events.
Braking, downshifting and dragging the rear brake slightly"

"Depending on how tight the turn is that you are approaching, you may need to go from fourth or high gear all the way down to second and possibly first"

"The idea is to bang down your gears and control the rear wheel action with the clutch".

Remember, YOU posted this article.

Everso slowly getting there I see



Good to see you have dropped the "skidding it in" theory.



Now, the problem with your theory above is, how does it explain those corners where there is no downshift



Hence how can backing in be "initiated" by this method?





And I'm talking the "common attributes" here not the occasional

BarryMachine said:

Everso slowly getting there I see

Good to see you have dropped the "skidding it in" theory.



Now, the problem with your theory above is, how does it explain those corners where there is no downshift

Hence how can backing in be "initiated" by this method?

And I'm talking the "common attributes" here not the occasional

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The 'theory above' is an extract form one of your own links you ......



When there is no downshift...there is no backing in, that is what we have been trying to explain to you. In the case of a fast turn, there may well be a powerslide, but as you correctly observed several months ago, every corner is different.



As I have repeatedly said, many riders do apply the rear brake to slide a bike, which I can substantiate. For the eleventh time...do you want the recent commentary which was also seen by Yamaka in which James Whitham talks about backing in with the assistance of the rear brake? - This will confirm my point that some riders NOT ALL, elect do this. I can fill the rest of the disc with today's BSB from Oulton if you like. Eleventh time, and three weeks of asking and being ignored...would you like this?

BarryMachine said:

At the end of 2007, I merely showed the trend in Rossi's performance from 2005 > 2006 > 2007 and pointed out that since the progession went 1st > 2nd > 3rd, it was very likely that he would be nearer 5th place in 2008. I said during 2008 that he had defied the statistics and was doing much better than I would have anticipated, matter of fact I may have even gone on to speculate that 08 was possibly his best year ever.

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By your logic only considering 3 years prior to 2007 (instead of all of Rossi's years of achievements), I obtained the next graph too, just in 2010:

Berry your full of .... !

too funny roggy.

VHMP01 said:

By your logic only considering 3 years prior to 2007 (instead of all of Rossi's years of achievements), I obtained the next graph too, just in 2010:

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So ....... what's your point?



Could it be that it makes it look like Stoner will be way down this year?



Cos unless I change the stat.s I have to agree



as you do of end of 07, instead of chucking a sook at me

chopperman said:

Berry your full of .... !

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I can understand you of all people believe that Rog.



Rog: > 16,000posts



BM > pathetic ....... 2,500 .... needs more internet mates





you are a "needy bugger" aren't you



I'll let you know when I have changed prsona enough for me to be one of your "friends

BarryMachine said:

So ....... what's your point?

Could it be that it makes it look like Stoner will be way down this year?



Cos unless I change the stat.s I have to agree

as you do of end of 07, instead of chucking a sook at me

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No, I just think that plain Stats do not tell the whole story, under those bases, I think you were judging Rossi's capabilities wrong. And believe me mate, I am a Stats persona!

VHMP01 said:

No, I just think that plain Stats do not tell the whole story, under those bases, I think you were judging Rossi's capabilities wrong. And believe me mate, I am a Stats persona!

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No I agree with you there, Stat.s are stat.s, and I believe I pointed that out ages ago, in fact when I pointed that out I may have even said simillar to "if we are to believe the figures" .



However Rog. and co. and yourself included have decided to sook at me over it ........ here's a figure for you ..... for three years now ........... what does that tell you?