Stoner to be inducted as legend.
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Norah Head
Dr No
Whoaha there!!! now how come you know of Jim Scaysbrook and yet you had "strokers" mixed up!!
Jim Scaysbrook was an ardent 4 stroke rider one of those I referred to in those posts about non-competitive "strokers", perhaps even the prime culprit. :lol: :lol: :lol: .
BarryMachine
Whoaha there!!! now how come you know of Jim Scaysbrook and yet you had "strokers" mixed up!!
Jim Scaysbrook was an ardent 4 stroke rider one of those I referred to in those posts about non-competitive "strokers", perhaps even the prime culprit. :lol: :lol: :lol: .
BarryMachine
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Norah Head
Oh good ....... cos I was back at you :lol: :lol: :lol:
But it does kinda bear out something about those old Ducatis ........ how out of place they were in their contemporary environ. ie. a big odd clumsy 4 stroke purporting to be a sports bike in an era of filthy fast, reliable, inexpensive japanese two strokes.
But it does kinda bear out something about those old Ducatis ........ how out of place they were in their contemporary environ. ie. a big odd clumsy 4 stroke purporting to be a sports bike in an era of filthy fast, reliable, inexpensive japanese two strokes.
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Norah Head
Dr No
Amaroo MX and short circuit and Nepean ..... Maybe Dargle mx ( but can't specifically remember him being there? ) but he was a regular pretty much round all the Sydney race haunts. Can't say I remember him ever at Jilliby or Bilpin .
I have this funny feeling/vague memory that he used to actually try and race an XL honda 250 or 350?? ( I remember passing him like he was standing still at Amaroo, and thinking it was dangerous an XL being out there ......... remembering then a 250 XL competed with 250 two strokes. ) before he got onto a Clews. Nuts about 4 strokes he was ........ when he really should not have been.
I think his road bike days were likely after my recollection of him, my life turned to study not long after that and racing became more and more sporadic.
Amaroo MX and short circuit and Nepean ..... Maybe Dargle mx ( but can't specifically remember him being there? ) but he was a regular pretty much round all the Sydney race haunts. Can't say I remember him ever at Jilliby or Bilpin .
I have this funny feeling/vague memory that he used to actually try and race an XL honda 250 or 350?? ( I remember passing him like he was standing still at Amaroo, and thinking it was dangerous an XL being out there ......... remembering then a 250 XL competed with 250 two strokes. ) before he got onto a Clews. Nuts about 4 strokes he was ........ when he really should not have been.
I think his road bike days were likely after my recollection of him, my life turned to study not long after that and racing became more and more sporadic.
Ernst Degner should be in the hall of fame. Because he has to be the biggest scumbag racing has ever seen. I was reminded of this douch with BM's comment about "japanese" 2 strokes from back in the day.
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Norah Head
chopperman
I know what you mean' but to be honest. ....... where would two stroke development have gone' and at what pace, had it all been still MZ driven. In that respect I sometimes wonder if Degner was'nt the messiah.
I know what you mean' but to be honest. ....... where would two stroke development have gone' and at what pace, had it all been still MZ driven. In that respect I sometimes wonder if Degner was'nt the messiah.
BarryMachine
Well you have a point but that's not forget he stole a man's life's work. Now the question is, did he do it for financial gain or as a method for him and him family to defect. I can see he is a villain to some and a hero to others. I'm sure Suzuki will look back with rose tinted glasses as he won them their first ever WC, but i wonder how they would have felt if the tables were turned.
Indecently Degner has a corner at Suzuka named after him. Supposedly as a mark of respect from the horrific injury's he received there.
Well you have a point but that's not forget he stole a man's life's work. Now the question is, did he do it for financial gain or as a method for him and him family to defect. I can see he is a villain to some and a hero to others. I'm sure Suzuki will look back with rose tinted glasses as he won them their first ever WC, but i wonder how they would have felt if the tables were turned.
Indecently Degner has a corner at Suzuka named after him. Supposedly as a mark of respect from the horrific injury's he received there.
Good article on him and his motivation:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2012/December/de1712-the-ernst-degner-story/
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2012/December/de1712-the-ernst-degner-story/
kiddyK
That was a good read kiddy. This part is a little contraversial.
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It was the though of many that Degner blew the bike up deliberately, either as part of his excape plan or to deny MZ the world championship which could have been secured that race for MZ. A complaint was made to FIM and it ended up in court. Degner was cleared of deliberately blowing up the bike and throwing the race by FIM. But this was the hight of the cold war remember.
Jeez, the only drama we have at the moment is Lorenzo / marques touching a little while racing. Imagine this forum if we had drama of this scale to debate hahaha
That was a good read kiddy. This part is a little contraversial.
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It was the though of many that Degner blew the bike up deliberately, either as part of his excape plan or to deny MZ the world championship which could have been secured that race for MZ. A complaint was made to FIM and it ended up in court. Degner was cleared of deliberately blowing up the bike and throwing the race by FIM. But this was the hight of the cold war remember.
Jeez, the only drama we have at the moment is Lorenzo / marques touching a little while racing. Imagine this forum if we had drama of this scale to debate hahaha
There's a book by Mat Oxley(?) about this, isn't there? I haven't read it yet but will get it on the Kindle after the kids have gotten me the obligatory book vouchers at crimbo.
chopperman
And apparently that's how he reported it to the Guardia Civil - "he touched me a leetle."
Repsol has a judge in their pocket that is all teed up for when they get back to Valencia - they're not bothering Interpol, they can wait.
And apparently that's how he reported it to the Guardia Civil - "he touched me a leetle."
Repsol has a judge in their pocket that is all teed up for when they get back to Valencia - they're not bothering Interpol, they can wait.
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:lol: Seems like its Prodigal Son month. With the return of Chopper, and now Mdub, coupled with the more regular postings by Arrabi (not to mention a brief but sharp sniper attack by Willski) this forum has taken quite the up swing. And just in time to buffer our resent carpet bombing (albeit with an arsenal whining and bitching) by la-pissrata and various aliases. With this weekend's event at Phillip Island featuring Stoner's Corner (btw, where is Cliche), that may be enough to get BassPete out of his winter blanket.
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I know very little about Stoner having only just started watching, but I've just been watching Fastest, and I wanted to get something cleared up.
He abandoned a season midway through, and was diagnosed with lactose intolerance?
This is the disease that makes you .... yourself when you eat too much cheese right?
Finding it tricky to work out how that'd be a problem for a rider. Just lay off the cheeseburgers and the bugger can come out of retirement.
He abandoned a season midway through, and was diagnosed with lactose intolerance?
This is the disease that makes you .... yourself when you eat too much cheese right?
Finding it tricky to work out how that'd be a problem for a rider. Just lay off the cheeseburgers and the bugger can come out of retirement.
14X
Lots of weird things surround Stoner imo. Lactose intolerance striking all of a sudden causing him to bail out and go fishing. I say all of a sudden because one could assume he had eaten food with lactose all his life without a problem. If he did have a problem in the past he would have been aware and been diagnosed. I really cant see your body becoming so intolerant over night.
Then there was his reasons for leaving all together. Complaining about Dorna which i understand but the complaints didn't really effect Stoner personally let alone be reason to give up a promising career with the most coveted ride earning millions.
Stoner is certainly a mysterious and complicated character. A skilled rider but who's mind is as fragile as pedrosa's body. HRC must have seen this and with Marquez about to be given the green light to get a factory seat in his rookie year i believe some back room deals were done. Stoner gets to retire on the Gold coast, HRC get Marquez ,Repsol are happy. For me stoner's reasons for leaving were every excuse except the truth. Silence had been bought, but hey, at least Stoner used his exit to make some valid digs at dorna, in an attempt to make certain reality's known to the paying public. I would have loved to have seen the look on Ezy's face.
Lots of weird things surround Stoner imo. Lactose intolerance striking all of a sudden causing him to bail out and go fishing. I say all of a sudden because one could assume he had eaten food with lactose all his life without a problem. If he did have a problem in the past he would have been aware and been diagnosed. I really cant see your body becoming so intolerant over night.
Then there was his reasons for leaving all together. Complaining about Dorna which i understand but the complaints didn't really effect Stoner personally let alone be reason to give up a promising career with the most coveted ride earning millions.
Stoner is certainly a mysterious and complicated character. A skilled rider but who's mind is as fragile as pedrosa's body. HRC must have seen this and with Marquez about to be given the green light to get a factory seat in his rookie year i believe some back room deals were done. Stoner gets to retire on the Gold coast, HRC get Marquez ,Repsol are happy. For me stoner's reasons for leaving were every excuse except the truth. Silence had been bought, but hey, at least Stoner used his exit to make some valid digs at dorna, in an attempt to make certain reality's known to the paying public. I would have loved to have seen the look on Ezy's face.
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Out of Nowhere
chopperman
Ros has lactose intolerance Rog...at least we believe that to be the case. As a baby it was so bad we were immediately written a repeat prescription by the Doctor for soya milk - she had to avoid all dairy products. Gradually, throughout her childhood it went away. Then mysteriously, it came back last year...guess what? overnight as her body began to reject again anything seemingly connected similar foodstuffs. My partner has just been struck by what is believed to be a gluten intolerance...overnight, out of nowhere, which was so severe the consequences saw her hospitalised for four days. Thing is, she doesn't have to ride a 170kg 245bhp motorcycle that's intent on killing her around in circles every other weekend and for 45 minutes on a Sunday.
14x - Barry Sheene lost much of a season through chronic fatigue syndrome which many of his detractors accused him of faking in the wake of King Kenny.
Regarding the now tiresome Spanish/Repsol conspiracy theories which are fast transforming this board into something fast approaching the David Ike forum, I'd prefer to read informed facts rather than endless unsubstantiated speculation and one sided bias. Possibly why, at a quarter past eight GMT tonight one of the greatest most intelligent insightful posts it's been my pleasure to read in the history of this forum was made by the resurgent Sun. It really is I feel an education to 90% of people on this forum. Fabulous stuff!
Ros has lactose intolerance Rog...at least we believe that to be the case. As a baby it was so bad we were immediately written a repeat prescription by the Doctor for soya milk - she had to avoid all dairy products. Gradually, throughout her childhood it went away. Then mysteriously, it came back last year...guess what? overnight as her body began to reject again anything seemingly connected similar foodstuffs. My partner has just been struck by what is believed to be a gluten intolerance...overnight, out of nowhere, which was so severe the consequences saw her hospitalised for four days. Thing is, she doesn't have to ride a 170kg 245bhp motorcycle that's intent on killing her around in circles every other weekend and for 45 minutes on a Sunday.
14x - Barry Sheene lost much of a season through chronic fatigue syndrome which many of his detractors accused him of faking in the wake of King Kenny.
Regarding the now tiresome Spanish/Repsol conspiracy theories which are fast transforming this board into something fast approaching the David Ike forum, I'd prefer to read informed facts rather than endless unsubstantiated speculation and one sided bias. Possibly why, at a quarter past eight GMT tonight one of the greatest most intelligent insightful posts it's been my pleasure to read in the history of this forum was made by the resurgent Sun. It really is I feel an education to 90% of people on this forum. Fabulous stuff!
Arrabbiata1
Where all entitled to our thoughts and suspicions. If we have such thoughts and suspicions we are also free to express them and open then up to debate for those interested enough. Please excuse the fact i'm not as highly educated as you or sun so my posts my be uninteresting to the more educated higher thinkers of this PUBLIC forum.
I say it as i see it. I may not be the most highly educated but i am very preceptive, something in my experience the highly educated lack !
Where all entitled to our thoughts and suspicions. If we have such thoughts and suspicions we are also free to express them and open then up to debate for those interested enough. Please excuse the fact i'm not as highly educated as you or sun so my posts my be uninteresting to the more educated higher thinkers of this PUBLIC forum.
I say it as i see it. I may not be the most highly educated but i am very preceptive, something in my experience the highly educated lack !
