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Iamapony said:
I am not quite sure how this got to Laguna and passing in turn 8b, but I will tell you that the original Rossi pass and subsequent Marquez pass were illegal. And I would have protested both of them.

Stoner scared the hell out of me at the time because he stayed on the throttle underneath Rossi. There is no room for error at that point. Below is a picture of me (8) at Laguna Seca. It's my home track.

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By definition of the rule you quoted and that certainly applied in 08, Rossi was ahead before, during and after. He didn't leave the track to gain advantage so there could be no penalty.
 
Daniboy said:
I don't know how many times this has been done to death.
There were no rules broken, no position illegally gained, both riders late on the brakes and wide. Happens in many corners in truth.
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And you are a Hamilton fan as well.
 
Daniboy said:
By definition of the rule you quoted and that certainly applied in 08, Rossi was ahead before, during and after. He didn't leave the track to gain advantage so there could be no penalty.
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I don't know what the rule was then, but certainly now in both MotoGP and Formula 1 you are not allowed to maintain a position by leaving the track. With the MM Laguna Seca thing they ruled both riders had left the track iirc, and the Assen 2015 thing that MM had forced Rossi off the track by initiating contact, with which I agreed btw but MM didn't.

Contrary to your usual totally unbiased view above, Stoner didn't make any riding error and was negotiating the corner in full control on a racing line on the track.

As far as I am aware, and even Sepang 2015 supports this, you are not allowed to maintain position by t-boning your opponent either which is what would have happened had Stoner not made a rapid evasive move; at Laguna Seca 08 no one has ever claimed it was a deliberate move rather than Rossi saving a lose, but if it had been deliberate it would have been both highly dangerous and illegal even ignoring him leaving the track.
 
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Daniboy said:
By definition of the rule you quoted and that certainly applied in 08, Rossi was ahead before, during and after. He didn't leave the track to gain advantage so there could be no penalty.
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I disagree. He made the pass IN EIGHT. When a corner is called Xa and Xb, it is all one corner or they would call it just X. Rainey (9) is the next corner. He was not in the lead when he made the pass, and if he had not left the track, he never could have made the pass. I would have protested. MM did the same thing to payback Rossi for the pass. It also was illegal, in my opinion. This corkscrew pass was first made famous by Zanardi in CART. I was there for that one, too.
 
Daniboy said:
Give me another Brit to support then.... Not that I really watch F1 much, but I do follow the results and read the race report.
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Stuff the Brits ............................... support the Honey Badger

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Saw this just now and figured here was as good of a place as any to put it. Freddie Spencer at Silverstone 1980 on a BMX!


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Daniboy said:
So when you rear shunt someone on the road it's their fault, I'll have to come to Oz and get a big insurance claim in that case.
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You can employ the brakes of a vehicle to intimidate other drivers or even as a weapon, often done in road rage incidents. If the car following has an on board camera absolutely you are going to court and up to the possible charge of either reckless or negligent driving, especially if that same onboard just happens to catch you leaving the road entirely then nearly smashing on the way back.

BTW while racing due to the speeds involved and obviously far greater risk it only has to be subtle, unpredictable braking to become dangerous. For his part Stoner was naïve in dealing with those race tactics, or 'racecraft' as I guess you would call it. I still applaud him (Stoner that is, not so much Rossi)that he had the skill to make it a classic rather than a tragic race.
This is especially true in hindsight of the ease with which any rider like Simoncelli can actually die on track, it aint ....... tic tac toe out there.
 
Daniboy said:
Don't see how using a legitimate racing tactic is a 'chickenshit' move. What was he supposed to do? Let Stoner clear off into the distance.
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What was Stoner supposed to do? Keep back a 'safe' distance to avoid running into the back of blocking Rossi? In the end it was 'lucky' it all ended well with no serious injury other than obviously one riders pride, as I said above it could easily have been a race remembered for entirely different, even tragic reasons. Naturally I expect you will dismiss this as typical hating.
 
They tried to reintroduce those skyway wheels a few years back ...... when their was a minor retro fad happenning. They were shcockers .... so wishy washy ( technical term for flexy like a damp fish ) .lolol.
 
No doubt the moosegoose is in legend status at the hall of fame, along with wobbly tuffs that can't hold tyres on past 35psi
 
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I had a "two four", spray bombed matt black and thrown under the house.

about 15 years ago I got it out and cleaned it up, it was almost perfect.

Sold it for heaps and bought a zeronine.

sold that and bought a brand new klx110L for my son.

Best thing about old mongoose bikes is the price someone will pay for it.
 
birdman said:
What was Stoner supposed to do? Keep back a 'safe' distance to avoid running into the back of blocking Rossi? In the end it was 'lucky' it all ended well with no serious injury other than obviously one riders pride, as I said above it could easily have been a race remembered for entirely different, even tragic reasons. Naturally I expect you will dismiss this as typical hating.
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No, I don't think it's hating. You view it differently than I do, that's all.
You had the two fastest riders in the world trying to win and it was a hard race. The bravery and skill on show for them both was unbelievable.
 
Found this video on YouTube I have never seen. It's a couple of minutes of onboard footage of Eddie Lawson at Eastern Creek 1991 on the Cagiva. Incredible stuff to see. You can see just how smooth he was and that corner speed is something else.

 
JPSLotus said:
Found this video on YouTube I have never seen. It's a couple of minutes of onboard footage of Eddie Lawson at Eastern Creek 1991 on the Cagiva. Incredible stuff to see. You can see just how smooth he was and that corner speed is something else.

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Good ole Dazza ...... used to see him down the local fish and chip shop late of an evening.
 

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