Stoner says Danni can't beat him on same tires.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Oct 19 2008, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Funny, but we never heard of this "long standing" injury last year...........

Ok, your new here, I'll gie you a bit o slack, Rossi may not be the greatest, he just happens to have achieved more than anyone else.

Pete
On Stoner's injury.
It probarbly got worse after one of this years crashes or from pushing much harder this year.I don't know.
All i know is that from a collegue who has broken the same bone,an injury like that can feel worse or better depending on the strain.
It can suddenly get better after a week or two and so on.
By the way to all of you calling him a ...... and so on.The little guy with the sore butt(by Puig's right hand)didn't race at all in Laguna Seca so he must be a little girl then.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Oct 20 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On Stoner's injury.

well he was injured in p.i. too, wasnt he? didnt see him having a problem winning though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 20 2008, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't disagree that he would still do well to stop talking about it though.


I actually don't hear or read of Stoner raising the issue without being asked a question so in that regard maybe the journalists should stop asking about it.



Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bill88 @ Oct 20 2008, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well he was injured in p.i. too, wasnt he? didnt see him having a problem winning though.


Aboslutely correct and partially answered by MichaelM.

It was said by a number of commentators before the race (and CS himself in response to questions) that PI should pose little problems for the wrist as it is a circuit with a flowing nature and few heavy braking sections (turns 4 and MG) which would put pressure on the injury. Sepang (as an example) has a number of heavy braking points that will place pressure on the wrist thus eventually leading to the problems experienced at Motegi etc.

That said, when Stoner was shown on the coverage I watched he was obviously distressed (much as near all other riders) and from memory he experienced fatigue concerns here last year as well.

Why is it that people question whether he is injured when there is ample evidence (such as Dr Costa, published x-rays etc) that support the reports.





Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bill88 @ Oct 20 2008, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well he was injured in p.i. too, wasnt he? didnt see him having a problem winning though.

Well Sepang is a very different circut than PI

In the interview I saw on motogp.com. First Casey mentioned that he never got the set up of the bike right and that he was'nt ready for it!! That would be a massive factor I would think, but most here want to ignore this and rather focus on what he said about his injury which he mention after his set up woes and temperature. He only mentioned the injury after being asked and he said "its not so much pain, it just dose'nt work. The left arm could have done another race, but the right arm is completely destroyed"


I'm not even a fan, but I hate seeing a unjustified witchhunt on a rider for no reason, especially when people just don't want to take in the whole story<span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%(<span style="color:#C0C0C0unless its Dani )

So Casey had a bad weekend and was beat by Dani. If he said that about Dani not beating him on stones(which I would think is some kind of misquote. Anyone got a link to this interview yet?) Caesy will just have to eat his words and life will continue. End of story

Whats the whole point of this thread? I guess there will be a similar one next season if Sete beats Valentino

Strange topic this one.

Some people it seems would have more respect for Stoner if he gave up and didn't race with an injury because they clearly disrespect him for riding.

Others find fault with him for winning at PI with an injury. A track which many commentators and riders say you must have big balls to go flat out at.

And all these people then turn around and give him a hard time because he couldn't win at Sepang with long straights and hard braking in 42 degree heat. Top speed charts clearly indicate a problem with either set up or physical condition. How dare he be human and say that his injury just got the better of him in that race.

If you look at words spoken about the injury by Stoner in comparison to commentators both amatuer and professional it would be a ratio of 1 word by stoner to every 100,000 by everyone else. When you compare it to the discussions about Dani's injuries or Jorge's through out the season these guys hardly even got a mention. Wonder why?

Oh I remember now.... Stoner was WORLD CHAMPION IN 2007. Has more poles and wins then the other 2 in 2008 and wait for it .... has secured 2nd in the World championship in 2008. Results in both years against the greatest motorcycle racer of all time. Anyone that can even come close to Rossi should be hailed a legend in their own right. At least the guys and gals on here that know what they are talking about give him respect, whether they like him or not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Oct 20 2008, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey babel, I actually re-read the forum looking for you commenting on Stoners injury. Didn't find anything... don't know what michael was on about.

As of now (negotiations continue) it is one supplier NOT control tyre. Still not a good situation.
It was barry machine who invoked babel in this context, not me. I have great respect for babel's opinion, and would not refer to him in this manner. That said, I don't disagree with this post of barry's other than him having confused babel with someone else.

I also agree with you that a single tyre supplier and a control tyre are potentially quite different. Having a single tyre supplier but leaving open at least the possibility of differential quality in supplied tyres depending on the recipient is in my opinion the worst of all possible worlds.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bill88 @ Oct 20 2008, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well he was injured in p.i. too, wasnt he? didnt see him having a problem winning though.
I don't know when he has a pain in his wrist/hand or not.Maybe he rested his hand well enough before PI and never had to push that hard to irritate the injury.In Sepang this weekend he had to push way more to be up there because of set up problems(Too hard tires).We don't know exactly how the riders injuries affect their riding,they don't even know them selves sometimes how it's going to turn out on the track.All we can do is get the info from what the doctors and riders say themselves.But if i was him i wouldn't go through with such an operation and be unable to ride for several weeks if i really didn't need the operation.

Sorry michael I missed barry's mention of babel.

Give Casey his props now, he's not whining just stating fact. This is different than his bitchy comments after Laguna and Brno.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Oct 20 2008, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So Casey had a bad weekend and was beat by Dani. If he said that about Dani not beating him on stones(which I would think is some kind of misquote. Anyone got a link to this interview yet?) Caesy will just have to eat his words and life will continue. End of story

I have not seen a direct quote either. Whilst not necessarily a strong candidate to take up an alternative career as a rocket scientist if his putative scaphoid injury does prove career ending, casey is not stupid , and I doubt he has forgotten dani beating him on the same tyres in the 250s (or on a 900 for that matter) or indeed on what are now generally accepted as inferior tyres on quite a few occasions in the 800 class. Hence it would seem strange for him to say this particularly given that he is more friendly with pedrosa than most if not all on the grid and has seemed to respect him in the past.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 20 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was barry machine who invoked babel in this context, not me.




oops what a can of worms I opened up

Sorry folks

It wasn't Babel I should have referred to first off .... I typed it in Sri Lankan and used Babelfish to translate it ..... Basspete translated to Babel

...... whom allways seemed hand in hand with Babel ....... old habits

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 20 2008, 07:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well thats just because for some odd reason all events that occurred in 07 are generally publicly accepted as being prior to 08 ..... more specifically Brno 08 .... when Stoner had one of his off track excursions that opened up the formerly stapled scaphoid bone.

So until it opened up ... blah blah blah .....


get real Babel .... what next he has to pre-advise what injury he is planning on having in the future.


Now aside from Babel's crap ...... latest talk I heard was that there is a chance that there is the possibilty that one half of the scaphoid may already be dead ..... this is a ..... .....and if so we may have seen the best we'll ever see from Stoner.

They are talking bone graft so the recovery time, will be long .... if he ever really gets the use of the hand back. I'm thinking maybe Ducati should have pushed harder for him to have the op. months ago.
the new doohan

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 21 2008, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the new doohan

Maybe you are right

Doohan showed promise ..... then got injured ..... then came back and went even better!


Good point Rog.!

I see what you are saying ..... Stoner is the new Doohan.

Stoner is a ........he doesn't have the toughness that Doohan does/did.... You and your cheerleaders are the ones who claimed Stoner would be the NEXT Mick... My minds a bit foggy...but didn't Mick win more Championships?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 19 2008, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Shinya was on the standard spring valved engine this race in Sepang. And oh yeah, he kicked Stoner's butt.
MAn I was waiting for you to say this. Are you that ....... stupid. First of all Everyone knows Stoner is injured and riding so he can just get to the test after Valencia. Secondly your boy didn't do anything special requiring his major talents in a heated fight against Casey. He just passed him due to him not being able to fight the pain anymore. HA HA you actually think that is was due to Shinya's talents which really at this point don't matter. I am happy for your boy but dude what are you gonna call yourself next year since no one seems to think that he is that talented enough to put him on a team?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 20 2008, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is a ........he doesn't have the toughness that Doohan does/did.... You and your cheerleaders are the ones who claimed Stoner would be the NEXT Mick... My minds a bit foggy...but didn't Mick win more Championships?
Yeah ok. This is Casey's 3rd year and so far he is a champ out of that. I think we will see him up there again if this whole wrist thing doesn't take him out of his career.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 21 2008, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is a ........he doesn't have the toughness that Doohan does/did.... You and your cheerleaders are the ones who claimed Stoner would be the NEXT Mick... My minds a bit foggy...but didn't Mick win more Championships?

Not after only two years in the premier class he didn't.

Hell though now you mention it .... Doohans leg nearly died and they had to graft it to his other leg, for a while, to keep it alive. Maybe the simillarities are greater than even I can identify!!

Oh and for the record ........ nobody ever even slightly intimated such a claim that "Stoner would be the next Doohan" ......... the fact is we declared "Stoner IS the next Doohan!" .......... its a subtle difference I know Curve but it means a whole lot more

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 20 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not after only two years in the premier class he didn't.

Hell though now you mention it .... Doohans leg nearly died and they had to graft it to his other leg, for a while, to keep it alive. Maybe the simillarities are greater than even I can identify!!
we will see what casey is made of next year when he has to ride on a hard front because thats all thats available one hit wonder me thinks 1st to 3rd. you calling casey the new doohan is an insult to a great racer imo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 21 2008, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you calling casey the new doohan is an insult to a great racer imo.

yes I'm sure it does in your opinion Rog. .... but there you go

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 21 2008, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>we will see what casey is made of next year when he has to ride on a hard front because thats all thats available

that'll be a good thing won't it for Stoner? I thought you didn't like him. Most of his better Rides are with Hard Hard