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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 19 2008, 03:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Yamaha is by far the superior machine. People like to say the Honda's got power on top, but from the races i've seen the Yamaha blows away the Honda in the straight.
still sure about that?
still sure about that?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Oct 19 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>still sure about that?
Obviously the guy lack both eyes, and as we allready knew, brain.
Obviously the guy lack both eyes, and as we allready knew, brain.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Oct 19 2008, 05:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.....he did finish in front of an injured Stoner...
I'm sick and tire to read this kind of lame excuses.... wahh...wahh, my poor baby Stoner
I'm sick and tire to read this kind of lame excuses.... wahh...wahh, my poor baby Stoner
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gmontalc @ Oct 19 2008, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sick and tire to read this kind of lame excuses.... wahh...wahh, my poor baby Stoner
What's your problem? Stoner27 was stating a fact. What you don't like the truth? Well here's another truth you won't like. Your an .....! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif
What's your problem? Stoner27 was stating a fact. What you don't like the truth? Well here's another truth you won't like. Your an .....! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 19 2008, 06:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm glad this was brought up. Although maybe it's been brought up before and I missed it as I've been in and out of this place as of late.
Lex has made a lot of noise about Bridgestone and Michelin supplying certain tires to certain riders and making some tires inaccessible to some riders. Given, this is all apart of the loved/hated Lex Files but Lex's theories have been given some support in recent weeks/months. Now with Bridgestone not having to compete with anyone else, who's to stop them from doing it again? Bridgestone are now in the position of deciding who will be world champion, if they felt so inclined. Maybe Bridgestone feel that Valentino Rossi is the most marketable rider on the grid, or they feel it's Nicky Hayden or Dani Pedrosa or Casey Stoner. It doesn't matter. Let's say Bridgestone have selected the rider they think can sell the most tires, who can stop them from giving that rider top drawer rubber that is not available to other riders?
If the solution is some sort of regulation to be done by the FIM or MotoGP, shouldn't Bridgestone's '07 Special and Michelin's Previously Pedrosa's have been caught by such regulation?
I have thought about that Bridgestone could decide the favored rider too.
Even if alot or all teams test the tires for developement,they can choose who to listen to.
If they listen to say Valentino it would hardly make the competition more even,as he prefers different tires.But on the other hand i think the governing bodies has knowledge of what could happen.So i hope it can be reasonably fair competition already in next year when all has been decided.
Lex has made a lot of noise about Bridgestone and Michelin supplying certain tires to certain riders and making some tires inaccessible to some riders. Given, this is all apart of the loved/hated Lex Files but Lex's theories have been given some support in recent weeks/months. Now with Bridgestone not having to compete with anyone else, who's to stop them from doing it again? Bridgestone are now in the position of deciding who will be world champion, if they felt so inclined. Maybe Bridgestone feel that Valentino Rossi is the most marketable rider on the grid, or they feel it's Nicky Hayden or Dani Pedrosa or Casey Stoner. It doesn't matter. Let's say Bridgestone have selected the rider they think can sell the most tires, who can stop them from giving that rider top drawer rubber that is not available to other riders?
If the solution is some sort of regulation to be done by the FIM or MotoGP, shouldn't Bridgestone's '07 Special and Michelin's Previously Pedrosa's have been caught by such regulation?
I have thought about that Bridgestone could decide the favored rider too.
Even if alot or all teams test the tires for developement,they can choose who to listen to.
If they listen to say Valentino it would hardly make the competition more even,as he prefers different tires.But on the other hand i think the governing bodies has knowledge of what could happen.So i hope it can be reasonably fair competition already in next year when all has been decided.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gmontalc @ Oct 19 2008, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sick and tire to read this kind of lame excuses.... wahh...wahh, my poor baby Stoner
I'm with you. I have a fractured, not broken scaphoid, and cannot use a drill, never mind a 230+hp bike without heavy strapping.
Stoner did not even strap his damaged hand but could not ride to full strength due to his other hand giving him pain due to overcompensating because of his damaged hand. It seems he can go as fast as fook up front but cannot race from behind and will always turn up with an excuse. Fast rider but a bit of a .......
No I am not a Rossi fan, he is not the greatest, just the greatest of a generation!!
I'm with you. I have a fractured, not broken scaphoid, and cannot use a drill, never mind a 230+hp bike without heavy strapping.
Stoner did not even strap his damaged hand but could not ride to full strength due to his other hand giving him pain due to overcompensating because of his damaged hand. It seems he can go as fast as fook up front but cannot race from behind and will always turn up with an excuse. Fast rider but a bit of a .......
No I am not a Rossi fan, he is not the greatest, just the greatest of a generation!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Oct 19 2008, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Funny, but we never heard of this "long standing" injury last year...........
Ok, your new here, I'll gie you a bit o slack, Rossi may not be the greatest, he just happens to have achieved more than anyone else.
Pete
I’ll back you up Pete… I could just go on and on and on with Rossi Records, more than any other rider in History, so he still hangs under a couple from Agostini. I think 15 Championships are unreachable, but under this matter, most AMA, WSB and other tournaments where riders come from, do not come into account. So lower classes may be put aside, meaning that with 6 500/MotoGP Championships Rossi goes against 8 from Agostini’s, which is reachable, more with a two year contract already signed.
So 500/MotoGP takes us to the Championship that most matters, in which Rossi is the rider with the ‘Most Wins in History’ Record… “He just happens to have achieved more than anyone else”…
Now in this subject, Rossi is the rider with the best record of wins at any given track; 22/23 (with wins/raced at), with different tyres, and with any given bike (125, 250, 500, 990, 800) (Aprilia, Honda, Yamaha). On which he not only has back-to-back races, a record not of his own, but Back-To-Back Championships, Record that none rider has ever achieved except him… I could go on and on and on!
Ok, your new here, I'll gie you a bit o slack, Rossi may not be the greatest, he just happens to have achieved more than anyone else.
Pete
I’ll back you up Pete… I could just go on and on and on with Rossi Records, more than any other rider in History, so he still hangs under a couple from Agostini. I think 15 Championships are unreachable, but under this matter, most AMA, WSB and other tournaments where riders come from, do not come into account. So lower classes may be put aside, meaning that with 6 500/MotoGP Championships Rossi goes against 8 from Agostini’s, which is reachable, more with a two year contract already signed.
So 500/MotoGP takes us to the Championship that most matters, in which Rossi is the rider with the ‘Most Wins in History’ Record… “He just happens to have achieved more than anyone else”…
Now in this subject, Rossi is the rider with the best record of wins at any given track; 22/23 (with wins/raced at), with different tyres, and with any given bike (125, 250, 500, 990, 800) (Aprilia, Honda, Yamaha). On which he not only has back-to-back races, a record not of his own, but Back-To-Back Championships, Record that none rider has ever achieved except him… I could go on and on and on!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Oct 19 2008, 04:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Brag about that man, but yes he did finish in front of an injured Stoner, but good on him..
When did #27 add the 'stoner' in front of his alias?
I suppose Stoner's hand magically healed last race in PI but "injured" this race?
So he got beat, don't make excuses.
BTW, Supershitya, stop pretending you are a Nakano fan, we all know you are a Rossi fanboy.
When did #27 add the 'stoner' in front of his alias?
I suppose Stoner's hand magically healed last race in PI but "injured" this race?
So he got beat, don't make excuses.
BTW, Supershitya, stop pretending you are a Nakano fan, we all know you are a Rossi fanboy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gmontalc @ Oct 19 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sick and tire to read this kind of lame excuses.... wahh...wahh, my poor baby Stoner
Stoner says Danni can't beat him on same tires. What you just said?,
-Well, well, well, Dani Pedrosa did beat Casey Stoner by a mile away at Sepang; And, man that's hurts a lot. not only his hands, but his butt from that whipping.
Thanks goodness he wasn't interviewed, I don't want to hear his stupid-lame excuses again
Stoner says Danni can't beat him on same tires. What you just said?,
-Well, well, well, Dani Pedrosa did beat Casey Stoner by a mile away at Sepang; And, man that's hurts a lot. not only his hands, but his butt from that whipping.
Thanks goodness he wasn't interviewed, I don't want to hear his stupid-lame excuses again
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Oct 20 2008, 08:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Funny, but we never heard of this "long standing" injury last year...........
Well thats just because for some odd reason all events that occurred in 07 are generally publicly accepted as being prior to 08 ..... more specifically Brno 08 .... when Stoner had one of his off track excursions that opened up the formerly stapled scaphoid bone.
So until it opened up ... blah blah blah .....
get real Babel
.... what next he has to pre-advise what injury he is planning on having in the future.
Now aside from Babel's crap ...... latest talk I heard was that there is a chance that there is the possibilty that one half of the scaphoid may already be dead ..... this is a ..... .....and if so we may have seen the best we'll ever see from Stoner.
They are talking bone graft so the recovery time, will be long .... if he ever really gets the use of the hand back. I'm thinking maybe Ducati should have pushed harder for him to have the op. months ago.
Well thats just because for some odd reason all events that occurred in 07 are generally publicly accepted as being prior to 08 ..... more specifically Brno 08 .... when Stoner had one of his off track excursions that opened up the formerly stapled scaphoid bone.
So until it opened up ... blah blah blah .....
get real Babel
Now aside from Babel's crap ...... latest talk I heard was that there is a chance that there is the possibilty that one half of the scaphoid may already be dead ..... this is a ..... .....and if so we may have seen the best we'll ever see from Stoner.
They are talking bone graft so the recovery time, will be long .... if he ever really gets the use of the hand back. I'm thinking maybe Ducati should have pushed harder for him to have the op. months ago.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 20 2008, 06:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When did #27 add the 'stoner' in front of his alias?
I suppose Stoner's hand magically healed last race in PI but "injured" this race?
So he got beat, don't make excuses.
BTW, Supershitya, stop pretending you are a Nakano fan, we all know you are a Rossi fanboy.
He did say before the PI race that the PI circuit puts less strain on the wrist, and also said that he didn't achieve a good set-up and wasn't that fast at sepang regardless of his wrist. With rossi banged up, losing set-up time on a new circuit and starting well back at PI and hayden running out of tyres stoner had the luxury of running 1 1/2 -2 seconds slower than the extreme single lap pace he demonstrated in the warm-up at PI for the last 10 laps or so. So I don't think his performance at PI was all that inconsistent with him having a scaphoid injury. He seems to have convinced Dr Costa that he has the injury as well. He also as far as I know made no claims to having a scaphoid problem at laguna or brno. If he is miraculously rapidly cured in the off season and does not end up missing any testing then your scepticism will be more justified.
I don't disagree that he would still do well to stop talking about it though.
I suppose Stoner's hand magically healed last race in PI but "injured" this race?
So he got beat, don't make excuses.
BTW, Supershitya, stop pretending you are a Nakano fan, we all know you are a Rossi fanboy.
He did say before the PI race that the PI circuit puts less strain on the wrist, and also said that he didn't achieve a good set-up and wasn't that fast at sepang regardless of his wrist. With rossi banged up, losing set-up time on a new circuit and starting well back at PI and hayden running out of tyres stoner had the luxury of running 1 1/2 -2 seconds slower than the extreme single lap pace he demonstrated in the warm-up at PI for the last 10 laps or so. So I don't think his performance at PI was all that inconsistent with him having a scaphoid injury. He seems to have convinced Dr Costa that he has the injury as well. He also as far as I know made no claims to having a scaphoid problem at laguna or brno. If he is miraculously rapidly cured in the off season and does not end up missing any testing then your scepticism will be more justified.
I don't disagree that he would still do well to stop talking about it though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 20 2008, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well thats just because for some odd reason all events that occurred in 07 are generally publicly accepted as being prior to 08 ..... more specifically Brno 08 .... when Stoner had one of his off track excursions that opened up the formerly stapled scaphoid bone.
So until it opened up ... blah blah blah .....
get real Babel
.... what next he has to pre-advise what injury he is planning on having in the future.
Now aside from Babel's crap ...... latest talk I heard was that there is a chance that there is the possibilty that one half of the scaphoid may already be dead ..... this is a ..... .....and if so we may have seen the best we'll ever see from Stoner.
They are talking bone graft so the recovery time, will be long .... if he ever really gets the use of the hand back. I'm thinking maybe Ducati should have pushed harder for him to have the op. months ago.
Well, it's nice to see you remember me, just sad you are just as far away from the mark as usual.
Kind of show how you are more focused on persons on the forum rather than the case (I can think of another one who does the same misstake). I've never written anything about Stoner's injury and probably never will. I'm not at all into the judgement of riders based on what they say. I don't expect them to be more than ordinary persons with ONE exceptional skill, and it's not their debating technique.
So until it opened up ... blah blah blah .....
get real Babel
Now aside from Babel's crap ...... latest talk I heard was that there is a chance that there is the possibilty that one half of the scaphoid may already be dead ..... this is a ..... .....and if so we may have seen the best we'll ever see from Stoner.
They are talking bone graft so the recovery time, will be long .... if he ever really gets the use of the hand back. I'm thinking maybe Ducati should have pushed harder for him to have the op. months ago.
Well, it's nice to see you remember me, just sad you are just as far away from the mark as usual.
Kind of show how you are more focused on persons on the forum rather than the case (I can think of another one who does the same misstake). I've never written anything about Stoner's injury and probably never will. I'm not at all into the judgement of riders based on what they say. I don't expect them to be more than ordinary persons with ONE exceptional skill, and it's not their debating technique.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Oct 19 2008, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have thought about that Bridgestone could decide the favored rider too.
Even if alot or all teams test the tires for developement,they can choose who to listen to.
If they listen to say Valentino it would hardly make the competition more even,as he prefers different tires.But on the other hand i think the governing bodies has knowledge of what could happen.So i hope it can be reasonably fair competition already in next year when all has been decided.
Let me put it this way: They sure will listen more closely to Rossi than Kallio next year. What did you expect? Or do you regulary seek advice of direction from the blind?
Huge conspiration.
It's way to early yo see how this pan out. AFAIK the ruels are not even clear. Is it even clear if it will be a control tire or a one supplier?
Even if alot or all teams test the tires for developement,they can choose who to listen to.
If they listen to say Valentino it would hardly make the competition more even,as he prefers different tires.But on the other hand i think the governing bodies has knowledge of what could happen.So i hope it can be reasonably fair competition already in next year when all has been decided.
Let me put it this way: They sure will listen more closely to Rossi than Kallio next year. What did you expect? Or do you regulary seek advice of direction from the blind?
Huge conspiration.
It's way to early yo see how this pan out. AFAIK the ruels are not even clear. Is it even clear if it will be a control tire or a one supplier?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 20 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let me put it this way: They sure will listen more closely to Rossi than Kallio next year. What did you expect? Or do you regulary seek advice of direction from the blind?
Huge conspiration.
It's way to early yo see how this pan out. AFAIK the ruels are not even clear. Is it even clear if it will be a control tire or a one supplier?
Hey babel, I actually re-read the forum looking for you commenting on Stoners injury. Didn't find anything... don't know what michael was on about.
As of now (negotiations continue) it is one supplier NOT control tyre. Still not a good situation.
Huge conspiration.
It's way to early yo see how this pan out. AFAIK the ruels are not even clear. Is it even clear if it will be a control tire or a one supplier?
Hey babel, I actually re-read the forum looking for you commenting on Stoners injury. Didn't find anything... don't know what michael was on about.
As of now (negotiations continue) it is one supplier NOT control tyre. Still not a good situation.
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No one at all can judge how well Dani will go on Stones next season because at the moment he hasn't had the sufficiant testing time on the tyres. You have to remember that Rossi had the whole of pre-season to get completely used to the tyres while Dani had one test at Misano before he started racing on them.
I suppose we'll see how well he, and everyone else goes next season on the tyres.
I suppose we'll see how well he, and everyone else goes next season on the tyres.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Oct 20 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No one at all can judge how well Dani will go on Stones next season because at the moment he hasn't had the sufficiant testing time on the tyres. You have to remember that Rossi had the whole of pre-season to get completely used to the tyres while Dani had one test at Misano before he started racing on them.
I suppose we'll see how well he, and everyone else goes next season on the tyres.
But Dani had had very good set up data from the gresini squad whereas Rossi had to work out on his own except Sepang where he had pre-season testing data.
I suppose we'll see how well he, and everyone else goes next season on the tyres.
But Dani had had very good set up data from the gresini squad whereas Rossi had to work out on his own except Sepang where he had pre-season testing data.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Oct 20 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No one at all can judge how well Dani will go on Stones next season because at the moment he hasn't had the sufficiant testing time on the tyres. You have to remember that Rossi had the whole of pre-season to get completely used to the tyres while Dani had one test at Misano before he started racing on them.
I suppose we'll see how well he, and everyone else goes next season on the tyres.
Yes, but he has all Shinya's data to work from!
I suppose we'll see how well he, and everyone else goes next season on the tyres.
Yes, but he has all Shinya's data to work from!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 20 2008, 08:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let me put it this way: They sure will listen more closely to Rossi than Kallio next year. What did you expect? Or do you regulary seek advice of direction from the blind?
Huge conspiration.
It's way to early yo see how this pan out. AFAIK the ruels are not even clear. Is it even clear if it will be a control tire or a one supplier?
Yes i think it's too early to see what will happen too.And ofcourse i understand that they will listen more to Rossi than Kallio,i meant more team by team.Ducati,Kawasaki and Suzuki should get the same chance as the more successfull japanese companies.
Huge conspiration.
It's way to early yo see how this pan out. AFAIK the ruels are not even clear. Is it even clear if it will be a control tire or a one supplier?
Yes i think it's too early to see what will happen too.And ofcourse i understand that they will listen more to Rossi than Kallio,i meant more team by team.Ducati,Kawasaki and Suzuki should get the same chance as the more successfull japanese companies.
