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GeePee

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What a load of rubbish. Stupid story.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/motorsport/ston...9516664882.html



<span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%Marlboro man Stoner under fire
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Cathy O'Leary
August 29, 2008

AUSTRALIA'S world MotoGP champion and Young Australian of the Year, Casey Stoner, is being named and shamed in an aggressive campaign by anti-smoking groups which have labelled him as a "high-speed drug pusher."

They said images of the 22-year-old non-smoker and his bike covered in logos of Marlboro cigarettes while racing and in the media are sending the wrong message to his fans, particularly impressionable young children.

The anti-tobacco group Action on Smoking and Health, the youth health project Smarter than Smoking and the Australian Network on Young People and Tobacco have written to Stoner and his management at Ducati calling on him to relinquish his sponsorship deal with tobacco giant Philip Morris.

The groups claim he is being used as a "Marlboro Man" to promote addictive, lethal products, and although tobacco sponsorship and advertising is banned in Australia, images featuring him plastered in tobacco logos can be readily seen in the media.

They have also written to the National Australia Day Council saying they are concerned that its Young Australian of the Year is actively promoting smoking to the rest of the world.

But in an emailed response last week, Stoner said that while he understood their views and agreed that children should not smoke, he did not believe Philip Morris's sponsorship of Ducati was aimed at young people.

"At the same time I firmly believe that every adult human being should retain the right to make his or her own decisions in life, whether correct or not," he said.

But the Smarter than Smoking co-ordinator, Fiona Phillips, said Stoner's association with Philip Morris significantly undermined efforts in Australia to stop young people from taking up smoking.

And the ASH chief executive, Anne Jones, rejected the claim that Philip Morris did not encourage children to smoke, accusing it of spending huge amounts to attract new smokers, most of whom were children.

"Casey Stoner is the new Marlboro Man and while he might have a lucrative contract with his sponsor, as a champion he is a role model to children and young people worldwide and he's being exploited as a high-speed drug pusher," she said.

Philip Morris in Australia declined to comment and Stoner's management in Italy could not be reached for comment.


Can you believe they've picked Casey. The kid is a clean living young man in comparison to some of the wilder, womanising characters of international racing. Besides AFAIK there is only one round(Qatar) where they can have "Marlboro" displayed.

We should defend what we all enjoy.
Lets hammer those resonsible for tarnishing a dedicated, professional young sportsman to gain their own publicity.


Action on Smoking and Health Australia
Anne Jones
Phone +6129334-1876
Mobile +61417-227-879
Email: [email protected]

Smarter than Smoking
Fiona Edwards-Phillips
Ph: +61 8 9382 5917
Fax: +61 8 9388 3383
Mobile +61411 321 991
Email: [email protected]

People like this affect sponsorship of motorsport.
If you like your MotoGP then give these two both barrels
 
What a load of utter pish!

Do-good fuckers
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spooky @ Aug 29 2008, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What a load of utter pish!

Do-good fuckers
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Here Here. I am a Casey Fan and I only smoke Monte Cristo's when I'm pissed. See I don’t even respond to the advertising.

But I am thankful to Marlboro for sponsoring Casey when all the Muesli eating Prius driving fuckhead companies don't.

The answer - you want tobacco companies out - find someone else to put more dollars in i.e. outbid them or .... off.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 29 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here Here. I am a Casey Fan and I only smoke Monte Cristo's when I'm pissed. See I don’t even respond to the advertising.

But I am thankful to Marlboro for sponsoring Casey when all the Muesli eating Prius driving fuckhead companies don't.

The answer - you want tobacco companies out - find someone else to put more dollars in i.e. outbid them or .... off.


well said...dont ..... about problems, just fix it first and then ......
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 29 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here Here. I am a Casey Fan and I only smoke Monte Cristo's when I'm pissed. See I don’t even respond to the advertising.

But I am thankful to Marlboro for sponsoring Casey when all the Muesli eating Prius driving fuckhead companies don't.

The answer - you want tobacco companies out - find someone else to put more dollars in i.e. outbid them or .... off.


Couldn't agree more!
 
i agree with them. i dont think tobacco company's should be able to advertise at all. i think there products should be under the counter and out of sight in shops ect.

you say casey is a clean living young man, i say theres nothing worse than a dealer who doesn't use his own product, he's in it just for the money and doesn't give a .... about the people harmed by it.

are you a smoker geepee ?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 29 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here Here. I am a Casey Fan and I only smoke Monte Cristo's when I'm pissed. See I don’t even respond to the advertising.

But I am thankful to Marlboro for sponsoring Casey when all the Muesli eating Prius driving fuckhead companies don't.

The answer - you want tobacco companies out - find someone else to put more dollars in i.e. outbid them or .... off.
dorna want to slow down development in the name of safety, easy just take away tobacco money !
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 29 2008, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>are you a smoker geepee ?
No Rog, I've never smoked.
I just think it's wrong that these women are ripping into Casey, the kid is an employee of the Ducati team.
Ducati are the ones in bed with Marlboro but even then "Marlboro" is only on the bike at one race.
There are far worse out there for these two to target.
I'm not getting into the smoking debate. I'm a MotoGP fan sticking up for what I like, telling them to piss off.
We are MotoGP fans so should let these two that they should look elsewhere for someone to bag.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Aug 29 2008, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What a load of rubbish. Stupid story.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/motorsport/ston...9516664882.html



<span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%Marlboro man Stoner under fire



Can you believe they've picked Casey. The kid is a clean living young man in comparison to some of the wilder, womanising characters of international racing. Besides AFAIK there is only one round(Qatar) where they can have "Marlboro" displayed.

We should defend what we all enjoy.
Lets hammer those resonsible for tarnishing a dedicated, professional young sportsman to gain their own publicity.


Action on Smoking and Health Australia
Anne Jones
Phone +6129334-1876
Mobile +61417-227-879
Email: [email protected]

Smarter than Smoking
Fiona Edwards-Phillips
Ph: +61 8 9382 5917
Fax: +61 8 9388 3383
Mobile +61411 321 991
Email: [email protected]

People like this affect sponsorship of motorsport.
If you like your MotoGP then give these two both barrels


This is what really gets me Pissed Off
Im an Aussie and very proud of it, but one thing that ..... THIS COUNTRY is DO GOODERS like these ppl. I smoked for 15 yesr before quiting 5 yrs ago, and i firmly beleive ppl have the right to make there own decisions in life be it good or bad.
Now these dumb ...,s are getting in Casey cos he rides for a team supported by a smoke company how is he pushing smokes?? I think there is only 1 race a yr were they have Marlboro on the DUKE the rest of the year they dont.

.... me dead
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Aug 29 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No Rog, I've never smoked.
I just think it's wrong that these women are ripping into Casey, the kid is an employee of the Ducati team.
Ducati are the ones in bed with Marlboro but even then "Marlboro" is only on the bike at one race.
There are far worse out there for these two to target.
I'm not getting into the smoking debate. I'm a MotoGP fan sticking up for what I like, telling them to piss off.
We are MotoGP fans so should let these two that they should look elsewhere for someone to bag.
there ripping into casey because he is the world champion. the kids support casey rather than ducati but i agree its the team that sort these sponsors rather than the riders unless its the riders personal sponsor. who is caseys personal sponsor ??
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 29 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dorna want to slow down development in the name of safety, easy just take away tobacco money !

That's funny.

On a serious level the issue of tobacco advertising is one of degree of harm. One only need listen to the latest CO2 scare mongering to realise that advertising cars may soon suffer the same fate, do we allow governments to make choices for people or do we make decisions for ourselves?

If so we can point the finger at many socially harmful sources of sponsor money. Alcohol (no one here drinks Fosters - I just thought I should add that), but road trauma and domestic violence, .... and murder are more likely to have their base in alcohol than any other drug.

Fast food. Anyone hear of an obesity epidemic? Fast cars? Road trauma…it goes on. As soon as we let the do gooders in making decisions for us that notion that we can choose our own poison, be it red wine (for me) or fast loud motorbikes, or going out in the sun - it gets taken away from us.

Ever heard of Thomas Jefferson “Governed least is governed best”?

Anyone who has ever looked up my profile knows my very favourite quote is Victor Hugo “What evil good can be”. What is hidden within best intentions?

Please, I don’t care that someone else thinks they can make better decisions for me; I just like to amuse myself by making my own decisions. Try to sell me whatever you like. I’ll just make up my own mind. I don’t have to smoke or eat Maccas , but you don’t have to hide it from me. I'm a big boy now.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 29 2008, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's funny.

On a serious level the issue of tobacco advertising is one of degree of harm. One only need listen to the latest CO2 scare mongering to realise that advertising cars may soon suffer the same fate, do we allow governments to make choices for people or do we make decisions for ourselves?

If so we can point the finger at many socially harmful sources of sponsor money. Alcohol (no one here drinks Fosters - I just thought I should add that), but road trauma and domestic violence, .... and murder are more likely to have their base in alcohol than any other drug.

Fast food. Anyone hear of an obesity epidemic? Fast cars? Road trauma…it goes on. As soon as we let the do gooders in making decisions for us that notion that we can choose our own poison, be it red wine (for me) or fast loud motorbikes, or going out in the sun - it gets taken away from us.

Ever heard of Thomas Jefferson “Governed least is governed best”?

Anyone who has ever looked up my profile knows my very favourite quote is Victor Hugo “What evil good can be”. What is hidden within best intentions?

Please, I don’t care that someone else thinks they can make better decisions for me; I just like to amuse myself by making my own decisions. Try to sell me whatever you like. I’ll just make up my own mind. I don’t have to smoke or eat Maccas , but you don’t have to hide it from me. I'm a big boy now.
im not suggesting smoking gets banned, im all for personal choice, im against direct marketing of known harmful products for the sake of corporate greed.

when you go into a shop as a kid you see lots of colourful sweet packets at your childs eye level. then as that kid grows to a teenager now at there eye level are the colorful cigarette packets.
why do you think tobacco companys spend millions on sort advertising ? to sell cigarettes of course.
i understand from another thread that you have a son in there teens or early twenty's, how do you feel about them smoking, and if they smoke how do you think they now which brand to ask for in the shop ? ever heard the saying "out of sight out of mind" ?
 
It really is a shame that our sport has ties to something that I don't personally agree with. But another thing that I don't agree with is my government making decisions for me. Personal choice has to be in there somewhere. All the laws in the world can't protect people from themselves. In the end, it's a realization that you can't fix stupid.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 29 2008, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It really is a shame that our sport has ties to something that I don't personally agree with. But another thing that I don't agree with is my government making decisions for me. Personal choice has to be in there somewhere. All the laws in the world can't protect people from themselves. In the end, it's a realization that you can't fix stupid.
I am basically in agreement with you on both points. Tobacco is ridiculously unhealthy and would have no chance of being allowed to be sold to the general public in first world countries if it was introduced as a new product today, and the restrictions which do now exist in such countries have led to the pernicious tobacco companies targeting third world countries harder and harder. So I have to say I am opposed to tobacco advertising.

However I am also opposed to governments regulating everything, and Australia is among the worst places in the world for this, even though I guess have to agree with it in the case of tobacco advertising.

This is also another example of how casey stoner cannot win whatever he does, ducati having been sponsored by marlboro for a large number of years before his advent;tobacco companies have sponsored various other motosport concerns with far more iconic employees than casey without these individuals being specifically targeted by the media either.
 
Whilst the government taxes these companies they should be able to advertise. Usual government standards apply.
 
Whatever happened to education and awareness?

When did these do-gooders become moral mercenaries and political propagandists?

This group reminds me of MADD (mothers against drunk driving). They whip themselves into a sensational frenzy then tear around causing problems until they receive satisfaction. Who are the imbeciles who keep oiling these squeaky wheels?
 
Just more socialists trying to push their policy on the public, and of course they use one of the best ones that scares everyone, "we must save the children". Funny thing is, over the last 20 years, with all the anti smoking campaigns and what not, I see more youth smoking cigs then when I was a kid. It's the typical situation, the more taboo you make it, the more they will want to do it.

I think they ran the Marlboro named livery however in the Peoples Republic of Capitalism and I'm willing to guess they will in Malaysia as well, they love their smokes in Asia.
 
Folks this is something very serious when it comes to personal freedoms. I don't smoke but if I ever felt like it I should have the choice. Also who gives a .... if tobacco want to throw money at motogp ...... who cares let them. It is an adult sport and they shouldn't have to do what they do today by hiding their name and ..... This is just a small nail in the coffin when it comes to YOU choosing your own path in life. So I went ahead and wrote the letters to those ........ and told them because they have brought this to my attention that Casey is sponsored by Marlboro I am going to start smoking and promote the use of Tobacco. I told them that it was the wrong thing to do by making fun of Stoner by calling him the new Marlboro man because it will have the opposite effect than what they were aiming for. The less they made a wave the less anyone would have even noticed. THEY ...... up. SMOKE BRAKE!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Aug 29 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i'm a Camel man meself
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I am not a fan of Casey, I smoke Marlboro. Sorry to .... up the focus group, but it's not even an issue. Most kids only smoke roll ups anyway, know what I mean?
 

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