Should Casey be punished
- Thread starter chopperman
- Start date
Jumkie I have always been your friend...you just didnt know it yet haha
Man Nicky was so cool in last nights press conference....he looked genuinely thankful for that result. I was stoked for him!
love your avatar!
as far as some of the posts on this thread.
i will throw rossi a bone though. he does do some blatant ....... ...., but in his defense, he probably thought he could make that stick and go on with his life. he's not used (or has not computed) that the duc just will not hold.
so i got a question for everyone. if rossi crashes one or two more times, should we come up with a new label for him? "crashy rossi" just doesn't flow well.
Except when it needs to be applied to Rossi or Simoncelli.
lol what because they have a pair and are actually willing to race?
This aint scalextric buddy
Being a MotoGP enthusiast and a racer for many years, even having done the TT under sponsorship, I would have said that Stoner running out onto the track was dangerous and idiotic, understanding that he is emotionally compromised because of what happened and i can certainly as can many others im sure relate too. I am a huge Rossi fan and a MotoGP enthusiast, i would love to say that it was "racing, man the fk up and get on with it" but its just not how it happens. Stoner's response to Rossi wasn't entirely related to that incident out on track, they have been niggling at each other for ages.
Rossi got in there way to hot on the brakes and came from quite a way back to pass Stoner on the brakes and in those conditions it was a 90-10% outcome for ending up on your arse and that's exactly what happened, he didn't hit Stoner he was caught up in Rossi's slide, it could have been anyone in that position. That doesn't excuse Rossi for being at fault for the cause and effect of the incident. Whatever the case, it made for excellent racing and was exciting to watch.
As for Stoner jumping back onto the track i wasn't even aware of this until today, i know for an absolute fact he will definitely be spoken too, to what avail im unsure but i know it can have potential heavy consequences on him as i have seen in the past at my level of racing, god only knows what its like at MotoGP level. I believe they will review footage and see who was passing at the time and look at how much of a distraction he could potentially have been to that particular passing rider, then that rider will be spoken to to see if that rider noticed Stoner either just standing there or making the fuss to climb back onto track or to of even seen him at all. I do believe it should be looked into irrespective of who was passing, his aim looking at the pictures of him standing there clapping show him with clear intent to make himself seen to show a sarcastic clap, which in turn is in-sighting deliberate distraction as he is fully aware of his actions otherwise why did he climb back over the wall, you can't tell me he was genuinely cheering Rossi on?! ;-) I do believe that you crash you say sorry and mean it with whatever heart you can honestly put into it and its then up to the other person to take what they want from that, clearly Stoner thinks Rossi always has ulterior motives so there is not much you can do with that.
I can't wait till the next race...
Rossi got in there way to hot on the brakes and came from quite a way back to pass Stoner on the brakes and in those conditions it was a 90-10% outcome for ending up on your arse and that's exactly what happened, he didn't hit Stoner he was caught up in Rossi's slide, it could have been anyone in that position. That doesn't excuse Rossi for being at fault for the cause and effect of the incident. Whatever the case, it made for excellent racing and was exciting to watch.
As for Stoner jumping back onto the track i wasn't even aware of this until today, i know for an absolute fact he will definitely be spoken too, to what avail im unsure but i know it can have potential heavy consequences on him as i have seen in the past at my level of racing, god only knows what its like at MotoGP level. I believe they will review footage and see who was passing at the time and look at how much of a distraction he could potentially have been to that particular passing rider, then that rider will be spoken to to see if that rider noticed Stoner either just standing there or making the fuss to climb back onto track or to of even seen him at all. I do believe it should be looked into irrespective of who was passing, his aim looking at the pictures of him standing there clapping show him with clear intent to make himself seen to show a sarcastic clap, which in turn is in-sighting deliberate distraction as he is fully aware of his actions otherwise why did he climb back over the wall, you can't tell me he was genuinely cheering Rossi on?! ;-) I do believe that you crash you say sorry and mean it with whatever heart you can honestly put into it and its then up to the other person to take what they want from that, clearly Stoner thinks Rossi always has ulterior motives so there is not much you can do with that.
I can't wait till the next race...
- Joined
- May 13, 2009
- Messages
- 6,313
- Location
- Shovel's Club
Being a MotoGP enthusiast and a racer for many years, even having done the TT under sponsorship, I would have said that Stoner running out onto the track was dangerous and idiotic, understanding that he is emotionally compromised because of what happened and i can certainly as can many others im sure relate too. I am a huge Rossi fan and a MotoGP enthusiast, i would love to say that it was "racing, man the fk up and get on with it" but its just not how it happens. Stoner's response to Rossi wasn't entirely related to that incident out on track, they have been niggling at each other for ages.
Rossi got in there way to hot on the brakes and came from quite a way back to pass Stoner on the brakes and in those conditions it was a 90-10% outcome for ending up on your arse and that's exactly what happened, he didn't hit Stoner he was caught up in Rossi's slide, it could have been anyone in that position. That doesn't excuse Rossi for being at fault for the cause and effect of the incident. Whatever the case, it made for excellent racing and was exciting to watch.
As for Stoner jumping back onto the track i wasn't even aware of this until today, i know for an absolute fact he will definitely be spoken too, to what avail im unsure but i know it can have potential heavy consequences on him as i have seen in the past at my level of racing, god only knows what its like at MotoGP level. I believe they will review footage and see who was passing at the time and look at how much of a distraction he could potentially have been to that particular passing rider, then that rider will be spoken to to see if that rider noticed Stoner either just standing there or making the fuss to climb back onto track or to of even seen him at all. I do believe it should be looked into irrespective of who was passing, his aim looking at the pictures of him standing there clapping show him with clear intent to make himself seen to show a sarcastic clap, which in turn is in-sighting deliberate distraction as he is fully aware of his actions otherwise why did he climb back over the wall, you can't tell me he was genuinely cheering Rossi on?! ;-) I do believe that you crash you say sorry and mean it with whatever heart you can honestly put into it and its then up to the other person to take what they want from that, clearly Stoner thinks Rossi always has ulterior motives so there is not much you can do with that.
I can't wait till the next race...
Great first post! And welcome to the circus.
- Joined
- Aug 17, 2008
- Messages
- 1,617
- Location
- USA!! USA!! USA!!
Being a MotoGP enthusiast and a racer for many years, even having done the TT under sponsorship, I would have said that Stoner running out onto the track was dangerous and idiotic, understanding that he is emotionally compromised because of what happened and i can certainly as can many others im sure relate too. I am a huge Rossi fan and a MotoGP enthusiast, i would love to say that it was "racing, man the fk up and get on with it" but its just not how it happens. Stoner's response to Rossi wasn't entirely related to that incident out on track, they have been niggling at each other for ages.
Rossi got in there way to hot on the brakes and came from quite a way back to pass Stoner on the brakes and in those conditions it was a 90-10% outcome for ending up on your arse and that's exactly what happened, he didn't hit Stoner he was caught up in Rossi's slide, it could have been anyone in that position. That doesn't excuse Rossi for being at fault for the cause and effect of the incident. Whatever the case, it made for excellent racing and was exciting to watch.
As for Stoner jumping back onto the track i wasn't even aware of this until today, i know for an absolute fact he will definitely be spoken too, to what avail im unsure but i know it can have potential heavy consequences on him as i have seen in the past at my level of racing, god only knows what its like at MotoGP level. I believe they will review footage and see who was passing at the time and look at how much of a distraction he could potentially have been to that particular passing rider, then that rider will be spoken to to see if that rider noticed Stoner either just standing there or making the fuss to climb back onto track or to of even seen him at all. I do believe it should be looked into irrespective of who was passing, his aim looking at the pictures of him standing there clapping show him with clear intent to make himself seen to show a sarcastic clap, which in turn is in-sighting deliberate distraction as he is fully aware of his actions otherwise why did he climb back over the wall, you can't tell me he was genuinely cheering Rossi on?! ;-) I do believe that you crash you say sorry and mean it with whatever heart you can honestly put into it and its then up to the other person to take what they want from that, clearly Stoner thinks Rossi always has ulterior motives so there is not much you can do with that.
I can't wait till the next race...
Of course he was cheering Rossi on. He even cared enough to ask how his shoulder was doing after the end of the race.
Being a MotoGP enthusiast and a racer for many years, even having done the TT under sponsorship, I would have said that Stoner running out onto the track was dangerous and idiotic, understanding that he is emotionally compromised because of what happened and i can certainly as can many others im sure relate too. I am a huge Rossi fan and a MotoGP enthusiast, i would love to say that it was "racing, man the fk up and get on with it" but its just not how it happens. Stoner's response to Rossi wasn't entirely related to that incident out on track, they have been niggling at each other for ages.
Rossi got in there way to hot on the brakes and came from quite a way back to pass Stoner on the brakes and in those conditions it was a 90-10% outcome for ending up on your arse and that's exactly what happened, he didn't hit Stoner he was caught up in Rossi's slide, it could have been anyone in that position. That doesn't excuse Rossi for being at fault for the cause and effect of the incident. Whatever the case, it made for excellent racing and was exciting to watch.
As for Stoner jumping back onto the track i wasn't even aware of this until today, i know for an absolute fact he will definitely be spoken too, to what avail im unsure but i know it can have potential heavy consequences on him as i have seen in the past at my level of racing, god only knows what its like at MotoGP level. I believe they will review footage and see who was passing at the time and look at how much of a distraction he could potentially have been to that particular passing rider, then that rider will be spoken to to see if that rider noticed Stoner either just standing there or making the fuss to climb back onto track or to of even seen him at all. I do believe it should be looked into irrespective of who was passing, his aim looking at the pictures of him standing there clapping show him with clear intent to make himself seen to show a sarcastic clap, which in turn is in-sighting deliberate distraction as he is fully aware of his actions otherwise why did he climb back over the wall, you can't tell me he was genuinely cheering Rossi on?! ;-) I do believe that you crash you say sorry and mean it with whatever heart you can honestly put into it and its then up to the other person to take what they want from that, clearly Stoner thinks Rossi always has ulterior motives so there is not much you can do with that.
I can't wait till the next race...
I agree with you in the most part. However, I think Moto GP as a whole has much more important things to look into and resolve than Stoner showing his frustrations.
I too hadn't seen this photograph until today. I have however seen footage of marshals favouring one rider over another, many of them heading back to their posts once Valentino was up and running. Stoner had to beckon them back!
I saw him 'give the fist' to the marshalls, quite rightly so. He must have been fuming.
Whether Rog is serious or not with the title of this thread, I'm not convinced. But what I do now see is that Moto GPs integrity has been dented by Rossi mania.
- Joined
- Mar 16, 2011
- Messages
- 319
- Location
- London
You don't think jumping over the pitwall and going trackside was reckless? (Oops is that another question..?
You're so sensitive it's unreal
No!
It is definitely against the rules of any motor racing event. If a spectator is doing it, he is just stupid, but someone like Sotner- it is wreckless.
Not wreckless at all, wrong description.
The crash was wreckless. Perhaps even getting the Honda across a live race track to prop it up against the pit wall was 'wreckless'.
However, displaying frustration from the inside of the corner (hardly running out on the track was it!) wasn't wreckless. To me that was a show of anger, not being 'wreckless'.
Is it against the rules of motor racing for officials to so blatantly favour 1 rider? This is the real question, and problem here.
Ok then, let us (for a second) say it is reckless and let us look at other scenarios to determine if they are reckless and deserving of a public hanging as seems to be the call.
A rider has fallen, is unhappy and stays trackside near his bike for an excessive time trying to restart/fix etc the bike - around 90 seconds or more elapses under a yellow flag because this rider 'took to long' - is that reckless?
A rider has had an engine failure, he knows he has left oil/coolant on the circuit and as such stays inside the walls on the grass, waving furiously at all coming riders to warn them of the slippery surface - is that reckless?
A rider has crased, runs across a live circuit - safely - but still does it - is that reckless?
A rider has front brake issues yet remains on track - is that reckless?
See, the issue is to define reckless as for me what Stoner did in terms of returning inside the walls was not reckless nor did he perform a reckless manouver nor did he place himself or others in danger.
That said and as I have said elsewhere, a fine however is sufficient at worst
Gaz
Whats going on in this photo?
http://www.daylife.com/photo/0eDIeaO3bbcOj?__site=daylife&q=valentino+rossi
"Repsol Honda Team's Australian Casey Stoner claps his hands as Ducati Team's Italian Valentino Rossi rides after their crash during the MotoGP race of the Spanish Prix at Jerez's racetrack in Jerez de la Frontera on April 3, 2011"
http://www.daylife.com/photo/0eDIeaO3bbcOj?__site=daylife&q=valentino+rossi
"Repsol Honda Team's Australian Casey Stoner claps his hands as Ducati Team's Italian Valentino Rossi rides after their crash during the MotoGP race of the Spanish Prix at Jerez's racetrack in Jerez de la Frontera on April 3, 2011"
Why do you try to divert? What does that have to do with the fact that Stoner broke the rules like a novice that can not control his feelings. I would rather have him punching Valle after the race then standing like a goon at the side of the track waving his arms.
