Sepang Winter Test

motogp.com says Lorenzo ran a 2:00.275



Wow.

On the scrolling marquee it says he ran a 2:00.7

hmmmmmm............the marquee sounds more likely.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 7 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How the hell do you get that from the two quotes you posted?? I'm starting to think you are right with the thick bit

Do you reckon the resulting effect of TC is not like that? If so fill me in on what you believe it does ... cos you have me "stumped" now, I gave you no explanation of "how it works" there, just a reported comparison of the effect on the two capacities
Don't know where that second quote is from ( its not titled ) but it says virtually the same thing, so what is your point? .... that what I said backs it up ??
Did you read all of my post, or get stuck at your favourite topic of thick Rossi fanboys?

You want me to fill you in on what I believe "TC" does - think I've been trying to do that for weeks, probably to the amusement/annoyance of other posters.

Anyway, where did your "reported comparison of the effect on the two capacities" come from. I don't recall having seen such an opinion being reported.

You stated that the cc drop had a greater effect than any electronics aids and that "TC" was working much harder with 990s, implying that electronic aids had less influence on the 800s than they did on the 990s.

My point (and Chris Pike's) was that the drop in cc makes the effect of electronic aids much more pronounced, ie they have more influence on the behaviour of an 800 than a 990.

Again, you cherry-pick what to answer. What about Dovi commenting that the 800s are surprisingly "easy" to ride? Or the fact that no-one before 2008 has moved from 250s to the top class and made this kind of statement?

BTW, the quote you claim not to recognise despite me using it more than once in replies to your posts on "TC", is from Chris Pike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Feb 6 2008, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Though Dani has made a hard pass on one rider...Mr Hayden!
i don't think that qualifies as a pass.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Feb 6 2008, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>YES.
I expect a BIG Pedrosa-Lorenzo Spanish rivalry similar to the Rossi-Biaggi Italian one.
is good! an old rivalry from their 125/250 days.... they don't like each other at all..... can't wait!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 7 2008, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>motogp.com says Lorenzo ran a 2:00.275



Wow.

On the scrolling marquee it says he ran a 2:00.7

hmmmmmm............the marquee sounds more likely.
Other sources favour the scrolling time. Still impressive, as is rossi's 2:01.190 presumably on race tyres.

I agree entirely about the weight. It may have serious health implications in the long-term as you suggest, although this is also true of athletes in other sports. Horses only have 1 horse power, bikes do not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Feb 8 2008, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>implying that electronic aids had less influence on the 800s than they did on the 990s.

What language did you translate what I said into!!?? Cos thats not what I said ..... mind you I note that you are a Rossi fan hence what I said could mean anything to you

I give in ..... how bout I say ...

Rossi really won in 07

Stoner cheats by using TC

Rossi never used TC in his life

If nobody had TC Rossi would win

TC made Stoner win

Stoners TC is programmed to saboutage everyone elses bike

Rossi beat Pedrosa in 07

TC makes racing boring

Stoner makesracing boring

Now how does all that translate??

Doesn't matter really I suppose .... you guys will quote it on some post somewhere as real

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 8 2008, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>motogp.com says Lorenzo ran a 2:00.275



Wow.

On the scrolling marquee it says he ran a 2:00.7

hmmmmmm............the marquee sounds more likely.


Gee! .. we are all arguing about the Stoners, Pedrosas and Rossi's and Lorenzo's gonna come in and knock them all off!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 7 2008, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But I don't think thats due to TC as the 990's had TC as well, but I think folk are misreading a sideline effect of going to 800's .... ie. they aren't as much of a beast as the 990. Perhaps that explains why folk are blaming TC when in reality there has been a huge drop in cc's that would have had a greater effect than any programmed TC system. Indeed if the programmers had there system worked out well the TC system and program should have easily have swapped over from a 990 to an 800. The only thing that changed was the available power and torque and under good grip conditions, the manner in which the power was applied. In fact I would have thought TC was working much harder on the old 990's. It just meant that tyre grip was more critical on the 990's. Hence why corner speeds were lower on the 990's.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Feb 7 2008, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You stated that the cc drop had a greater effect than any electronics aids and that "TC" was working much harder with 990s, implying that electronic aids had less influence on the 800s than they did on the 990s.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 7 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What language did you translate what I said into!!?? Cos thats not what I said ..... mind you I note that you are a Rossi fan hence what I said could mean anything to you
The bolded parts of your quote repeated at the top of this post should say it all.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 7 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I give in ..... how bout I say ...

Rossi really won in 07

Stoner cheats by using TC

Rossi never used TC in his life

If nobody had TC Rossi would win

TC made Stoner win

Stoners TC is programmed to saboutage everyone elses bike

Rossi beat Pedrosa in 07

TC makes racing boring

Stoner makesracing boring

Now how does all that translate??

Doesn't matter really I suppose .... you guys will quote it on some post somewhere as real
It translates to "I am a troll"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Feb 8 2008, 02:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It translates to "I am a troll"

Well there's your problem right there then !!


What are you taking ( interpretting )

" In fact I would have thought TC was working much harder on the old 990's"

to mean? I think you are misreading this bit maybe??

It means on a 990 the TC struggles to keep up, moreso than on an 800 .... aren't you saying the exact same thing!!??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 7 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Other sources favour the scrolling time. Still impressive, as is rossi's 2:01.190 presumably on race tyres.
Rossi's 2:01.190 was on qualifiers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 7 2008, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What are you taking

" In fact I would have thought TC was working much harder on the old 990's"

to mean? I think you are misreading this bit maybe??
What I'm taking it to mean is carefully explained in post #54 and again in post #62 and yet again in post #64.

If <u>YOU</u> state that something works harder on the old stuff (990s) then the corollary must be that it works less hard on the new stuff (800s), ie it has less influence on the new stuff.

For the last time, my point is :

The drop in cc (new stuff) makes the effect of electronic aids much more pronounced, ie they have more influence on the behaviour of an 800 (new stuff) than a 990 (old stuff).

BassPete's right - you are a spanner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Feb 8 2008, 03:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What I'm taking it to mean is carefully explained in post #54 and again in post #62 and yet again in post #64.

If <u>YOU</u> state that something works harder on the old stuff (990s) then the corollary must be that it works less hard on the new stuff (800s), ie it has less influence on the new stuff.

For the last time, my point is :

The drop in cc (new stuff) makes the effect of electronic aids much more pronounced, ie they have more influence on the behaviour of an 800 (new stuff) than a 990 (old stuff).

BassPete's right - you are a spanner.

when I say works harder I mean it is struggling more ..... meaning that it would not do its job as effectively on a 990 ..... so yes as I suspected, you were using the "toddlers interpretation" ( harder means more/bigger ) as opposed to the meaning "with difficulty" ..... you interpret TC "working harder" as meaning there is more of it
whereas if thesame system was put on a 800 or a 990 it would work ( if programmed well ) but would be hmmm " struggling to operate" moreso on a 990.



Well I may be a spanner .. but you and Pete are Rossi fans

OK, now that this is a full blown TC thread....

A mag here in the USA had a mid season review of sorts during the summer where they talked to Capirossi and Ducati. Turns out Capirossi never liked the Ducati engine delivery as it was not agressive as he was used to and Ducati was unwilling to tune it to his liking. His quote was 'the 500, now that's power' The Ducati engineer they spoke with stated that their engine is far from the smoothest and the power curve is full of dips and flat spots and that they use a sophisticated control that actually oscillated the throttle plates at a high rate when cornering and comming on/off the throttle to avoid the flat areas of the power curve of the motor yet still keep the engine under control. They did not elaborate any further. The same article went on to state that the other teams on the grid set up their TC for the general conditions of the track whereas Ducati had the ability to tune their TC and engine management depending on what corner the bike was in. That is, tthe bike knows where it is on the track at any given time and makes adjustments accordingly. IMHO, that level of control is just crap. Take all that stuff off the bike and let the rider do what they need to do. The rider should be making the corner adjustments, not the ECU on the machine. Riders like Pedrosa and Stoner would be dead if they had to ride 500's or even the early 990's before all the latest gee-whiz electronics took hold.......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jeff in ohio @ Feb 8 2008, 03:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OK, now that this is a full blown TC thread....

A mag here in the USA had a mid season review of sorts during the summer where they talked to Capirossi and Ducati. Turns out Capirossi never liked the Ducati engine delivery as it was not agressive as he was used to and Ducati was unwilling to tune it to his liking. His quote was 'the 500, now that's power' The Ducati engineer they spoke with stated that their engine is far from the smoothest and the power curve is full of dips and flat spots and that they use a sophisticated control that actually oscillated the throttle plates at a high rate when cornering and comming on/off the throttle to avoid the flat areas of the power curve of the motor yet still keep the engine under control. They did not elaborate any further. The same article went on to state that the other teams on the grid set up their TC for the general conditions of the track whereas Ducati had the ability to tune their TC and engine management depending on what corner the bike was in. That is, tthe bike knows where it is on the track at any given time and makes adjustments accordingly. IMHO, that level of control is just crap. Take all that stuff off the bike and let the rider do what they need to do. The rider should be making the corner adjustments, not the ECU on the machine. Riders like Pedrosa and Stoner would be dead if they had to ride 500's or even the early 990's before all the latest gee-whiz electronics took hold.......

wouldn't doubt that at all ..... it does sound "special" the Duc. Gee thats a tricky way of getting it smoothed though Would explain why many get on it and have trouble

tests mean little

i have a good idea as in every thread im going throuh there is more arguments than posts on the actual subject's, can and admin setup a special thread for putting points across or arguing, i know a forum is for putting points across but the rossi dani stoner thing is dam everywhere i even see it when i sleep lol.

dam us lot are gonna be scaring people away from the forum rather than making them want to join i like the dabates but everythread..... cmon

i can see this causing an argument to now it gonna be the rossi fans started it , no casey fans started it , dani fans started it well its gettin tiring now.

can we just have 1 thread that we can thrash it out in.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 7 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well I may be a spanner .. but you and Pete are Rossi fans


if it counts, i am no rossi fan and i think you're a spanner too!

Hi everybody

The last two days in video ! HERE

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elthib @ Feb 7 2008, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi everybody

The last two days in video ! HERE


Thanks Elthib.