Catalunya was do or die for him and he died, then he really died when he crushed his back testing later on.
I reeeeeally would have liked seeing what would have happened had he had success in that Race instead of taking out half the competition.
I reeeeeally would have liked seeing what would have happened had he had success in that Race instead of taking out half the competition.
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Hahahaha Yamaha want their heads looking at hiring Lorenzo - one of the worst riders fo wanting his bike messed with (because he can't ride it) and then lost his bottle!! What sort of feedback would you trust from him???
This may have applied on the Honda, but probably not at Ducati where his tenure coincided with the bike’s greatest recent success including getting the bike to a stage where he himself could win on it, and certainly not at Yamaha where he was the winner of the last 3 riders’ championships won by a Yamaha rider, and where it seems it has now been recognised his development was better than Rossi’s in his latter days hence him being re-hired as a test rider.
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Day one ended wet.
Quartararo and Morbidelli made it to 1.58, which is strong time. Both riding modified 2019 bike.
Zarco started slow and advanced pretty fast, ended 1.5 seconds off pace. Indeed, there is still a mountain to climb, the last half a second is the hardest. We'll see.
Miller fastest Ducati, Crutchlow fastest Honda.
Aleix on Aprilia faster than Pol on KTM.
That's all what caught my attention. You?
Quartararo and Morbidelli made it to 1.58, which is strong time. Both riding modified 2019 bike.
Zarco started slow and advanced pretty fast, ended 1.5 seconds off pace. Indeed, there is still a mountain to climb, the last half a second is the hardest. We'll see.
Miller fastest Ducati, Crutchlow fastest Honda.
Aleix on Aprilia faster than Pol on KTM.
That's all what caught my attention. You?
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Interestingly, the one word he used to describe the Honda was 'agile', i.e., that it's an agile bike. He described the Ducati as 'powerful' and the Yamaha as 'very good for a smooth rider'.
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I agree with this. Marquez is seriously special. The Honda came across as difficult but seriously fast if you could unlock its potential. Marquez did it in ways none of the other riders could. I'm sure, he would ride the wheels off the Ducati and especially, the Yamaha if given the chance.
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With hindsight I reckon many hard-core fans, are less inclined to buy into the idea of the great Honda dollar as the be-all defining factor in it’s championships over the last five decades. I’d argue their ability to hire exceptional riders has figured much more prominently than people generally think. I expect the money aspect factored much more in the pre-Rossi era. My perception has been the big three were much more equal in the Spencer, Roberts, Lawson era.
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Oh I beg to differ. Lorenzo's smooth in-line style has been proven to be the quickest way to ride the current M1. Marquez has never had a smooth in-line style of riding. Yamaha would have to make drastic changes to the bike to suit Marc's riding style, or Marc would have to try to ride like Lorenzo... that's just as big of a challenge as Lorenzo attempting to ride the Honda like Marc does.
MM has eventually been a title winner on every bike he has ever ridden. This was also true of Rossi before his Ducati adventure of course, but until proven otherwise I think MM deserves the assumption he could ride anything, as Rossi did back then. I don't think his moto 2 bike had any characteristics uniquely suited to him, and he could get to the front from the back of the grid on that bike.
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That's too big of an assumption. It just doesn't work that way, especially not at the highest level in sports, the margins for victory are too small. When you watch the way Lorenzo rode the M1... smooth, very little sliding, very high corner speed, extremely consistent... to think that Marc could just hop on the M1 and do the exact same thing is ridiculous. Marc has never ridden that way, even he has said his riding style isn't like that. The M1 and RCV are very different machines and even if Marc adapted "well" to the M1, if he's not exceptional on it he'll be losing tenths every lap and at this level that could mean not even making the podium. Marc is a very talented rider, but nothing he has done since entering the GP class in 2013 has shown he would be able to ride the M1 like Lorenzo. The M1 would not make it around a corner using Marc's style on the RCV... that's a recipe for constant trips to the gravel trap.
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So how did he win a 125 title and a moto 2 title then ?.
I am not entirely sure he would be able to ride a Yamaha 1000 bike actually, but no one can be sure he couldn’t either, hence benefit of the doubt as per my previous post.
If people are reduced to detracting from him on the basis of what he couldn’t do hypothetically it says a lot, imo and btw.
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There’s a big difference between opinion (which drives most discussions here) and empirical evidence pointing to a logical conclusion. Marquez’s “margins of victory” have historically been anything but small. Whether we’re talking about his aforementioned rides from the back of dozens of riders on near equal bikes or his wrapping up the championship in his rookie year in record time it’s crystal clear Marquez is not bound by the same limitations as his competitors. One can see how his capacity to surpass Rossi’s records might be a hard pill to swallow for the Valeban.
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I’ve seen it posted as Kph all over Asia. Besides mate, this ain’t a book club.
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Lorenzo in his prime on the M1... many of his victories were by numerous seconds as well. I recall one year at LeMans when Lorenzo made the entire field look like they were on Moto2 bikes. Again, we don't KNOW Marquez would be able to do the same thing on the M1. But Lorenzo gets criticism for not being able to do what Marc does on the RCV (a bike that's been developed for him specifically)!
Until Marc actually does switches bikes, I don't know what he can do on a machine that has a different design philosophy. But I'm not going to assume he'll automatically adapt and keep winning. Back when Rossi jumped from Honda to Yamaha, there was no assumption that Rossi would win right away. Even Rossi himself was surprised and that's why he was emotional after his first win on the M1 at Welkom. Marc rides the RCV is far more of a "wild" fashion than Rossi did, so I have to question his ability to ride bike that doesn't suit that style.
As for Rossi's records, I don't care about that type of stuff.
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