or it's because they're at different parts of the corner? rossi's picking up the bike to hit the apex while stoner is still ....umm..."backing" it in? but hard to tell where stoner is in the corner from that picture
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According to crash, they are the same part of the corner. So try another explanation.
Stoner is just leaning in a bit because its really windy, he's actually going at least 40mph slower than Rossi
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No Stoner was scripted to stay on his bike on this lap to stop Nicky Hayden from looking good
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According to crash, they are the same part of the corner. So try another explanation.
Wrong. GPone aligned the two riders to show where they were in the corner -- Stoner more behind, Rossi more into the corner. Anyway as I said snapshot contests have little meaning. This is another instance of that corner by Rossi:
As you can see the perception changes completely. All riders slide into that corner, and of course they do not do it in the same way at every lap... These comparisons are completely meaningless, and drawing the kind of "conclusions" you tried to draw is humorous...
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What is humorous is your consistent but desperate attempt to apologize for all things Rossi. Here is what gpone said: "we made from two pictures taken in the same place by the same photographer" (Count the number of red lines from the apex to the rider, for both its about six).
Do you really believe that 1 foot difference from the spot where they are pictured is going to show Rossi's style dramatically change to mimic Stoner's total commitment style into that corner?
While you are telling us what is and is not a picture telling us, check this one out. It appears it has no rider.
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Oh wait, it says, "No Heart", it must be Pedro riding it then.
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What is humorous is your consistent but desperate attempt to apologize for all things Rossi. Here is what gpone said: "we made from two pictures taken in the same place by the same photographer" (Count the number of red lines from the apex to the rider, for both its about six).
Do you really believe that 1 foot difference from the spot where they are pictured is going to show Rossi's style dramatically change to mimic Stoner's total commitment style into that corner?
While you are telling us what is and is not a picture telling us, check this one out. It appears it has no rider.
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Oh wait, it says, "No Heart", it must be Pedro riding it then.
Exactly. Taken in the same place (i.e. the same corner) by the same photographer, one in 2009 and one in 2011. No way he, much less you, can really tell if it is from the same angle, with that kind of almost round corner (and the red lines are meaningless in that case as you do not see where they begin and where they end)... And one cannot even use the irregularities of the grass or the marks on the track as reference as there are two years difference. Nevertheless they have put them together to try to "reconstruct" the recyprocal positions of the riders. A silly attempt, since they copied and pasted Rossi in a different position, making he look out of place, but this is what they did. All is very clear from their original article.
But you did not notice (or conveniently ignored) that the Rossi picture I put shows Rossi in his real position, different from the position where GPOne pasted him, negotiating that corner aggressively enough. So look again... and look better. See if you can 'read' a different level of commitment in it.
What is pathetic is your constant attempts to vilify Rossi. Stoner and Rossi are the greatest riders in activity, try respecting both of them Jum. If you can.
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See if you can 'read' a different level of commitment in it.
WHo needs to look for the difference ............ Rossi is going slower by > 1 second per lap ........... thats due to a difference in commitment
They are both great pictures.
Why must we argue about slight differences in angle of lean at this stage? Let Rossi have a little bit of time to adapt his style etc before crucifying him. Be a little fair about it.
Why must we argue about slight differences in angle of lean at this stage? Let Rossi have a little bit of time to adapt his style etc before crucifying him. Be a little fair about it.
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Because GPOne did a a very ........ copy and paste job, leaving Stoner in his position and pasting Rossi one meter ahead of him. That makes Rossi look completely unnatural. No surprise Jum immediately jumped on that one, without mentioning (in his excitement he might even have completely overlooked it) the fact that that picture is a copy-paste mess.
When you compare the two original pictures, there is not much difference in the attitude of the two riders -- the only difference is that Stoner hangs out more as usual. Elias would hang out much more -- maybe that's what Jumkie considers 'commitment'. And maybe that explains why he likes Elias so much, he must obviously be the most committed rider in the world...
Let the hatin' begin.
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Your a bit slow on the uptake, pages earlier my friend......actually the origin of this particular discussion......from you know who
Wrong. GPone aligned the two riders to show where they were in the corner -- Stoner more behind, Rossi more into the corner. Anyway as I said snapshot contests have little meaning. This is another instance of that corner by Rossi:
As you can see the perception changes completely. All riders slide into that corner, and of course they do not do it in the same way at every lap... These comparisons are completely meaningless, and drawing the kind of "conclusions" you tried to draw is humorous...
It appears Rossi has it far more crossed up, which requires more 'commitment' wouldn't you agree?
Wrong. GPone aligned the two riders to show where they were in the corner -- Stoner more behind, Rossi more into the corner. Anyway as I said snapshot contests have little meaning. This is another instance of that corner by Rossi:
As you can see the perception changes completely. All riders slide into that corner, and of course they do not do it in the same way at every lap... These comparisons are completely meaningless, and drawing the kind of "conclusions" you tried to draw is humorous...
I do think they are in slightly different positions if you count the red stripes - Rossi 1 or 2 stripes further through.
At this stage, the pictures mean nothing though. There is probably a difference in style being illustrated but these pictures in themselves don't show a difference in committment, that is speculation designed to get some yellow fury.
This seems to have been an inordinately long off season, the main reason for how many angels can fit on the head of a pin discussions like this.
If a valid comparison could be made which it couldn't anyway given the difference in riding styles, injury status, changes which have already been made to the bike etc it would have to be during a race for both when something is actually on the line.
Phillip Island 2009 demonstrated that both riders are magical to watch when on their game.
From the way this thread is going, If the season doesnt start soon, we will all need committed.
so true - can't wait for the races
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