<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 17 2007, 02:05 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting, here we go, its something to do with the
tires that caused that crash. It’s the
“cold” tires Right? Uhm, are they letting other riders take a few extra laps before the race to get their tires up to temp or is it that they all have similar tire temps on their brand? Should have all the other Michelin guys have gone down too, on those freezing tires?
This is what I mean by mixing and weaving. You say he made a
“mistake” which I agree. But why do you have to weave in, mix in, and rationalize and apologise for this mistake by
pointing to the tires to share the blame? Uhm, I think its because you simply can’t accept that it was just a
rider error, a mistake (
an nothing more) but rather there must be some other underlying cause. Very typical Babel. That pretty much sums up your takes in most every non-Rossi post race thread.
It's ok to disagree RJ but now you introduce new elements only to create disagreements. What in these words did you not understand: "He made a mistake". As explained in another post this has been a michelin spesific problem on other tracks with few turns the "other" way. At sachsenring righthanders are the other way. It's just another fact that the riders must take into considerations. If you read my "ride report" again you might be able to understand that no matter how bad the michelins were on the right hand side or on any side that are no excuse for crashing. I can make it, why shouldn't Rossi make it. Understand?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Hahahahahaha. Lets see if this logic checks out. He crashed according to you on
“cold tires” that suck on the
“right side”. Wow, that’s pretty specific. You think he got the fastest lap on lap 2. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t tires get warmer as the race progresses? So wouldn’t his “cold tires” on lap 2 to be warmer on lap 5?
The fastest lap on lap 2 in the meaning that he was faster than anyone on that lap. Btw now I know it was lap 3, but anyway.
The tires stay colder on the little used side more or less all through the race and because of this they have less grip. The manufacturers try to make the tires so that heat spread out better and they use dual compounds with one side softer than the other.
Right now it seems like BS are better than M on that aspect. Rossi reported this as a problem in earlier races this season. Especially Catalunya, another hot race.
In fact, one would assume that the tire were warmer on lap 5 than on lap 2 and I bet thats what Rossi, just like you assumed. Thing is, he assumed so in the race, you assume so even when it didn't work out. Very clever mocking you started there RJ.
Again as after last race, if you want to discuss to what degree these things influence the result, fine. Just to disregard them totally just make you look like an ignorant. Especially when you start mocking me on issues you know little about, in fact so little that you don't even understand what was actually said.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Did you ever see the
movie: My Cousin Vinny? Perhaps Rossi was riding on magical tires and the law of physics don’t apply to his tires. Because you would think that if he was able to run a fast lap on 2 on “cold tires” that suck on “right” turns (according to you), then how on Earth (the planet we live on) could you blame “cold tires” as part of the reason for his crash?
You're such a funny guy but then again, when you make all the wrong assumptions it get even more funny.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Amazing.
“A walk in the park”…you say? Well in case you didn’t notice, there were also a few other very capable racers trying to win that may have had something to say about this “walk in the park.” Yeah, its easy to podium in MotoGP (sarcasm alert). Can we give a little credit to the other guys? If it was so
easy, wouldn't he “walk” his way to every race win? Oh wait, I forgot, sometimes his tires are: “underperforming”, “shredding”, “falling apart” and now lets add
“cold”.
I don't know if it's worth commenting. A walk in the park is relative but look at the race pace, where the others were when things developed and you you should be able to see that rossi in front of de puniet were in a possition where he could have followed Capirossi and pass him in the final laps when his pace dropped. Why it could have been so easy is beacuse he had 5 guys on bridgestones in front of him. On tires that made them drop their pace 2-3 sec a lap. For a five time champion those should be relativly easy to pass. The two guys who charged through the field let capirossi have an 8 sec lead before they started and the didn't close in on that gap until the very end. That's whay they never would have been a factor.
"Easy" again realtivly speaking, just to avoid your terribly hurting sarcasm atacks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The Bstones
“meltdown”? Wow, imagine that, and Casey just was
“ok” for you. How come you don’t come out with a line like Rossi’s tires at Turkey, where it was so amazing that he kept his bike upright, let alone defend a 5th place with Melandri and Hopkins breathing down Casey’s neck.
Ok as in he is probably not too happy about the position.
Ok as oposed to others that accuse him of everything from crusing to being a coward. If you care to look you will find several posts where I defend Stoners performace on Sunday. Btw It was Le Mans that was amazing, not Turkey. I don't think I gave Rossi much more credit in Turkey than I gave Stoner here. But others certainly gave Rossi far less credit than I give Stoner here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I’m not so sure Honda is all back yet. Yeah they had two on the podium, but I would have thought you of all people noticed where the Michelins came in relation to the Bridgestones overall. Maybe you did, if so I stand corrected.
That new approach again. Affraid we will agree to much RJ?
If you didn't notice Honda was on top on Sunday. Not even you can twist that to something else. Wait, you just did, didn't you?
HRC got 1st and 3rd. Who did better? Was it TeamKR that took a little noticed 0 and -1?
Are Honda the best bike out there? No, I don't think so either as I agreed with you in another post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I think its time for a control tire.
Are you serious?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Well well, imagine that. Even though Capirossi said it, well I guess its still just "presumed." Since we are speculating, could it have been possible that had Capi picked the same compound as Casey, perhaps Casy would have been the top Bridgstone rider (though he was the 2nd)? Just a thought, since his ride was just “ok”.
Well, to use my own words. To stay up there as the best Bridgestone rider with capirossi on the same tire should have been a walk in the park.
Allthough, as you? said, it was a new experience for him, Capirossi has consistently proved that he are able to keep up the speed on worn bridgestones. But I don't think he would better Stoner. A 3 sec drop in lap times are massive and even if Stoner were easy on the tires that doesn't account for much. If they are spinning, more power doesn't speed things up. I think he was very close to the maximum speed he could get out of those tires. With the same tires as Capi, maybe he even could challenge Pedrosa. Who knows.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>
"Or was it all down to the rider as allways RJ?"
Well since you decided to call me out by name, I thought it only right for you to deserve a line by line take on your post. As you can see, I agree with you in some parts but not so much in others.
Most of all you seem to do your best to create disagreements even when there are non.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>As far as it being “down to the rider” well, as I’ve said before, I defer to the rider for
most of the
performance result. You on the other hand love to point to tires and machine. As you again did here by insurting/weaving/mixing the apology of “cold tire” to rationalize ‘rider error’. But funny enough, perhaps only to me because despite all the debating we do, you still don’t see your fuzzy logic, which in this case again, doesn’t check out.
The only one using fuzzy logic here is you. You disregard any equipment problems when it suits your personal preferences. This race you got in a squeeze between hailing Stoner and Hayden. Great ride by stoner who managed 5th on those tires, and great charge by Hayden. Wow, managed to pass all those melted stones. Fantastic, fatastic fuzzy logic to use your own expression.
