Sachsenring GP! **SPOILER**

If not drown the sorrow, I had to take a ride to prove to my self that it is possible to ride right handers on cold tires and keep the rubber side down

Anyway, Rossi did a bad mistake on a slow warming michelin right hand side. At the time it seemed important to get passed de puniet who lost a lot on the lead, and he was just too eager. He had the pace and foreven had the fasetst lap in lap 2 I think. Without the crash 1st would be a far fetch but 2nd would have been a walk in park. It was the wrong desition but that's easy to say afterwards, after all nobody could see the stones meltdown at that time.

Good to see Honda finally on top. HRC president present and everything.

I saw that capirossi presumably picked another tire than the rest of the stones camp, but even so he has allways been a master in keeping those worn stones keep going.

Stoner did ok, probably not happy with the position but as the tires went .... he did good to keep ahead of Melandri and Hopper. Nothing he could do to stop the michelin guys today. Or was it all down to the rider as allways RJ?

Rossi didn't crash under pressure and the tyre was properly up to temperature by lap 5.

He just leaned it over too much, they probably do this 3 or 4 times in a whole race and get away with it.

I haven't read any replies, just watched the race and want to say way to go Capi....excellent ride for him. Also props to my man Hayden for coming back up to 3rd. Pedrossa certianly had them covered today, was a pretty good race I thought. Was gutted for Rossi. Laguna is going to be interesting to watch now, I can only imagine Rossi will be on fire to make up the deficit.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Jul 15 2007, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I haven't read any replies, just watched the race and want to say way to go Capi....excellent ride for him. Also props to my man Hayden for coming back up to 3rd. Pedrossa certianly had them covered today, was a pretty good race I thought. Was gutted for Rossi. Laguna is going to be interesting to watch now, I can only imagine Rossi will be on fire to make up the deficit.


Ditto,

great news for capirex on verge of a possible new ride for next year.

different compound on his stones . also they changed the weight distribution on his bike and reverted back to the motor he had trialled in Mugello , just with a couple of engine tweaks. It worked.

Great news for Pedrobot - finally after a year got that monkey off his back and also good for nicky - two boxes back to back.

shame to see Stoner go backwards - i am sure it was a tyre situ as hoppas tyre was shot to bits. Just wonder if there was a case of dont push it too hard , think of the bigger picture and if so , it shows a maturing rider.

Wonder when all the new signings will be anounced

Damage limitation for Rossi

Just one other thing.

Two weeks on the trot now British Eurosport has finished early and not televised the Post race interviews.

Did anyone else out there catch it on another channel and if so what was said ???

cant watch bbc2 as its crap and i wont go into that as its already been discussed but just wondered if they covered the interviews

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 15 2007, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi didn't crash under pressure and the tyre was properly up to temperature by lap 5.

He just leaned it over too much, they probably do this 3 or 4 times in a whole race and get away with it.

So the worries michelin had with very few righthanders were just ........?
Don't get me wrong, it's not an excuse for Rossi, but I thought michelins heating problems were common knowledge. They heat up slower and the heat doesn't spread as good as on the stones. This may also be the core reason for why the stones seems to work at a wider specturm of conditions, while Michelin need their data to be spot on for the tires to work well. They were pretty much spot on today but the difference really came into play in the second half.
Rossi had problems with the same thing on Catalunya as well, but didn't make such a big misstake at that race, but the lack of grip on the left side was all through the race, not only for the two first laps.

But in the end, he sure did lean over too much, that's for sure so it really doesn't matter. He pushed too hard.

yeah, rossi cracked, stoner cracked, blah blah ... whenever anyone crashes or goes backwards they are cracking, its nowt to do with just making a mistake is it. God, some of you lot are as bad as the tabloids for reading too much into this sort of thing. Fact is, people make mistakes. If its pressure that causes them they why do so many people crash in practice when there's relatively little pressure. If Rossi crashed out today cos he cracked under pressure then why didnt he crack under pressure at Assen, a race he started from a similar position to today and with a bigger points gap behind stoner. Some people on this forum do know what they're talking about but so many haven't got a clue.

skint ( who has obviously cracked )

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 15 2007, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi didn't crash under pressure and the tyre was properly up to temperature by lap 5.

He just leaned it over too much, they probably do this 3 or 4 times in a whole race and get away with it.
Rossi did not just lean it over too far. He gave the bike too much throttle at the apex of the turn getting past Randy. If you looked closely you could see the back wheel spinning up and then sliding out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 15 2007, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he wasn't riding hard enough to crash, he got the rossi out board then slowed down and thought he would settle for second, problem was he got caught up and blitzed, crap ride from stoner imo.

Thats exactly the way i saw it,and it answered my ? from a previous thread.Would Stoner points race or go for wins.I saw the answer today.Not that points racing is the wrong thing to do,but he could have really put a nail in Rossi's title hopes today but im afraid he gave him hope.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 16 2007, 06:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats exactly the way i saw it,and it answered my ? from a previous thread.Would Stoner points race or go for wins.I saw the answer today.Not that points racing is the wrong thing to do,but he could have really put a nail in Rossi's title hopes today but im afraid he gave him hope.
Stoner rode a very mature race on wearing tires. I don't see how his ride could give Rossi any hope today. All the bridgetsone runners bar Capirex struggled today. Stoner shows more maturity every race. bringing it home in 5th rather than binning it was the right ride on the day. Crashing out when a probable second was for the taking was a bad mistake. Stoner definately came out on top!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Jul 16 2007, 07:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner rode a very mature race on wearing tires. I don't see how his ride could give Rossi any hope today. All the bridgetsone runners bar Capirex struggled today. Stoner shows more maturity every race. bringing it home in 5th rather than binning it was the right ride on the day. Crashing out when a probable second was for the taking was a bad mistake. Stoner definately came out on top!
agree, he had no reason to push it today, he knew as long as he didnt bail it he was going to be in a very stong position in the champ and thats what he did, he consolidated like you have to be in certain situations.

Rossi was unlucky, none of us can know exactly what went on so dont even try pls but any number of variables could have caused him to bin it. He will be back stronger than ever which i cannot wait to see.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ospi @ Jul 16 2007, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>agree, he had no reason to push it today, he knew as long as he didnt bail it he was going to be in a very stong position in the champ and thats what he did, he consolidated like you have to be in certain situations.

Rossi was unlucky, none of us can know exactly what went on so dont even try pls but any number of variables could have caused him to bin it. He will be back stronger than ever which i cannot wait to see.
No one wants to see Rossi crashing out I think we all agree, after all there have been some great races between Stoner and Rossi this year and we'd love a few more before the end of the season.I'm sure Stoner would love to beat Rossi fair and square on the track and vice versa.
We only need Casey to win the championship by 1 point after all!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Jul 15 2007, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No one wants to see Rossi crashing out I think we all agree, after all there have been some great races between Stoner and Rossi this year and we'd love a few more before the end of the season.I'm sure Stoner would love to beat Rossi fair and square on the track and vice versa.
We only need Casey to win the championship by 1 point after all!!

He he, well said allthough I would like it to end the other way around of course.

YES!!! My two favorite riders on podium!! ...and that little one.

Rossis body language after crash was heartbreaking. I almost shed a tear. really sad! We started to cheer for everybody behind Stoner to overtake him (for the sake of championship!! before someone attacks me)

Happy for Hay and Cap!!

Sad for Ros and RdP!!

here i sit in a hotel in irmo south carolina when just finishin watchin the german gp could'nt be fina! very interesting race. a bit unusual for sachsenring considering it's usualy a dogfight till the end but not this time! great ride by pedrosa. he just put his head down & simply pulled away... well done! 2nd at laguna last year. finally loris gets his ... in gear & looks like the racer from last season. his bridgestone must of come from a different batch than the rest. nicky in 3rd from 14th! very surprised he got up there but good for him. after that little problem he had a few laps in he just started to plug away & got the result! edwards in 4th well not to bad considering this aint a good track for him but still........ well just not that.... well. 5th for stoneman good result considering the stones were'nt working that well. he kept hs head & got a top 5 & 11 point gain on the rosmiester. consistency wins championships! 6th for marco not great but he seems happier with the bike & was doing well until his hoops started goin south. 3rd at laguna last season. hokins in 7th well considering this track has bit him in the ... hard on more than 1 ocasion better than prvious results by a good margin. west in 8th... this guy is is changing my mind about what i've thought about him in the past. i say hopkins & west for kawasaki in 08! well thats all i got time for at the moment, have'nt even had the chance to see the 125s & 250s which were crackin races from what i,ve read.........bye

Rossi's crash was a suprise. Michelin's performace was a suprise. Honda's improvement was the biggest surprise. The season is finally getting interesting.

Rossi's Crash:

According to Kevin Schwantz, Rossi leaned the bike over too far and probably dragged some hardware, causing both his tires to slide at the same time. IMHO, Rossi always seems to want to hurry when Pedrosa (and now Stoner) gets up in front. These riders tend to set a blistering pace when they get up front and get away from the rest of the pack. And sure enough, Pedrosa did just that.

Honda's Performance:

Has Honda gone from being the "worst bike" on the grid to the best? I won't rule it out. Even Melandri seems happy. I am looking forward to seeing their performance at Laguna Seca. The blown up engine telle me that they are squeezing more power out of the engine.

Bridgestone v. Michelin:

Finally, Michelin got it right. If Rossi had stayed on his bike, it would have been even more interesting

The CBS coverage here in the USA SUCKED, as expected.

Did anybody see CapireX 2 fingers when he crossed the line???...

“was that a V sign or
http://www.motogpforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif "fingers“or Up UR’s to LivioS & Ducati”????...

I thought it was a very good ride by Pedrobot he took off and never looked back and also congrats to him and I hope he makes the best of it as this might be the one and only... CapireX choose a completely different tyre to all the other Bridgestone boys and that was on the hardest compound that they have and that is why had to take it easy at the start but never the less it was a good ride “and it’s about time”, NickyH was great I thought his ride was the ride of the race especially after all the troubles he had coming into this gp...

CaseyS was his usual “did 110% with what he had” and didn’t put a foot wrong, but I think he must have pushed too hard at the start and that is why he had to ease off half way through that Melandri and Hopkins came past, Casey is a very mature rider and he should be commended for his effort... well ValentinoR what can you say??? Very disappointing and none of us want Casey winning the WC in the same vain as NickyH did in 2006...lol..btw: here in Australia on Fox sport they featured some of the controversial events from 2006 and Val’ the fall at Valencia was very similar to this one...but all in all I thought it was a dull race and nobody wants one rider to take off and win by +13 sec, Westie went well and I thought he would have overtaken RdP even though RdP had problems.

Yes and for all those that are saying, thinking like our mate Roge “he wasn't riding hard enough to crash, he got the Rossi out board then slowed down and thought he would settle for second, problem was he got caught up and blitzed, crap ride from stoner imo.” All I can say is this Casey is +32 points, there is 8 pg’s left, 200 points....If Casey wins 3 more gp’s and rosy comes 3rd of 4th so Valentino better do something otherwise...“It’s All Over”

Hayden!

Okay, now that that's out of the way; here's my take.

Winners: Pedrosa, Capi, Hayden, Edwards

Losers: Stoner, Rossi, Hopper, Vermy

Push: Melandri, West, Hoffman


I really don't like Pedrosa that much, but I'm happy to see him win. I can empathize with the guy b/c I've been part of a big project that falls through, and I know what its like when your superiors suck up and apologize to everyone while brow beating you. I'm willing to root for the passionate inexperienced youth over the old ...-covering demagogues any day.

"When Dani ride the bike, he can do."-Puig The bike has been horseshit for nearly half the season, Puig.

Congrats to Capi. I'm not sure why he can't do this every race weekend........Ducati says they aren't sure he has learned how to ride the new Ducati.........I'm not sure he actually wants to learn.

Hayden! 14th to 3rd......I didn't think he had it in him this week. Well I guess he didn't really do anything.........all he had to do was hold on............Michelin did 80% of the work. (God bless the haters).

Edwards goes from 13th to 4th. I need to watch the race again to make sure they haven't gotten it backwards. Seriously though, from one Texan to another "congratulations".


Rossi, well, I can't be to mad at him. Everyone knows he sucks on fresh tires with a full fuel load. He wasn't going to relax and stay behind RdP knowing that Dani and Casey are charging at the front. I'm really starting to wonder about Rossi's psyche now that he can't go for it early in races, and his equipment fails frequently. Even Rossi has got to be questioning himself.

Stoner is a loser this weekend too. Mature this mature that........he's going up against an institution. Hayboy finished on the podium or won everytime Rossi went poorly last year (except France) and Hayboy barely won the worl championship. Casey is a different rider, on a different team, in a different season, but Rossi hasn't changed. Plus Casey is riding for Ducati now........they don't have megabucks to drop on R&D so if Casey wants a championship he'd better not finish in fifth again, his fault or not. Good luck, Casey, the power of the Ducatisti compels you.

Hopper! WTF! you get 30 seconds of camera time and you miss an apex by 20 ft. Everyone knows you had tire problems, but everyone knows you race 30 different lines in a 30 lap race.........you need to get it together bro.

Vermy, goes into this race ahead of Melandri and now he's behind. Melandri rises to the occasion then gets robbed by the Stones on raceday..........Vermy gets a ride through penalty. He seems very talented, why can't he go in the dry?


Melandri ran well but his tires croaked. A new way to score the same number of points.

West, c'mon. There are only 20 million Australians keeping up 2.96 million square miles of land. That means each Australian is responsible for ruling 100 acres of snake, dingo, and kangaroo infested outback. Is outracing a Frenchman really to much to ask? Plus you improved about 2 places on your average finish, coincidnetally, 2 people who normally finish in front of you crashed.

Hoffman, at least you finished this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 16 2007, 06:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden!

Okay, now that that's out of the way; here's my take.

Winners: Pedrosa, Capi, Hayden, Edwards

Losers: Stoner, Rossi, Hopper, Vermy

Push: Melandri, West, Hoffman


I'd hardly call him a loser, he did increase his lead in the championship.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 16 2007, 05:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden! :toot:

Casey is riding for Ducati now........they don't have megabucks to drop on R&D so if Casey wants a championship he'd better not finish in fifth again, his fault or not. Good luck, Casey, the power of the Ducatisti compels you.

I tend to agree with this, although Ducati still seemed to have a fairly fast bike at the end of last year, and I gather Bridgestone have never been great at Sachsenring.

Hayden's attitude in the face of adversity so far this year has been very impressive, and it is hard to know why he seems to be under-rated; he has one more world championship than most people.