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michaelm said:
Again, the issue was whether he was run off the track. Perhaps just, I think a case can be made for the ruling, but less clearly than at Assen 2015 with MM imo.

The rule also covers maintaining position by going off track as you keep ignoring.
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Its the other way round. I'm pointing that a rule that allows rider to retain his position when he cuts the track due an unforced error (as at Silverstone '16) should also cover a rider retaining his position after possibly being forced off the track.

There's no discontinuity in how the rule was applied yesterday.
 
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JKant said:
It doesn't really help maintain position. First off, a continuous runoff is only available at a few places on a few tracks. Second, whatever time you directly gain by running off is stripped away by the time penalty. Third, the overshoot needs to be perfectly timed to avoid the appearance of a deliberate move incurring further penalties. And if you're capable of doing that, then you're probably better off forcing a battle with the faster guy behind you (rather than making it a qualifier-type fight to maintain a X sec gap with him).
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He actually gained time on MM who was ahead of him by this particular excursion which was what the penalty was for as I understand it.

At Assen 2015 like Jerez 2005 and Jerez 2013 the overtaking rider was not going to make the corner on the track without forcing the other rider off the track/using the other rider as a berm. In this case I agree with p4p1 both riders could have made the corner on the track but Zarco didn't appear to quite get in front before the apex. I haven't seen what Rossi said about the pass but if he complained as the man who made the Jerez 2005 last corner pass he is a hypocrite.
 
michaelm said:
He actually gained time on MM who was ahead of him by this particular excursion which was what the penalty was for as I understand it.

At Assen 2015 like Jerez 2005 and Jerez 2013 the overtaking rider was not going to make the corner on the track without forcing the other rider off the track/using the other rider as a berm. In this case I agree with p4p1 both riders could have made the corner on the track but Zarco didn't appear to quite get in front before the apex. I haven't seen what Rossi said about the pass but if he complained as the man who made the Jerez 2005 last corner pass he is a hypocrite.
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He did complain and said Zarco needed to be reminded that this isn't moto2. He needs to sit down and .... the .... up. It's worth watching the post race presser just for Marquezs reaction after Rossi complained. There's was a raise of the eyebrows and a smirk.
 
michaelm said:
He actually gained time on MM who was ahead of him by this particular excursion which was what the penalty was for as I understand it.
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Yes. That's what the second point in my post was about.

At Assen 2015 like Jerez 2005 and Jerez 2013 the overtaking rider was not going to make the corner on the track without forcing the other rider off the track/using the other rider as a berm. In this case I agree with p4p1 both riders could have made the corner on the track but Zarco didn't appear to quite get in front before the apex. I haven't seen what Rossi said about the pass but if he complained as the man who made the Jerez 2005 last corner pass he is a hypocrite.
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Yeah he should have kept shut about Zarco. As a matter of fact, he should keep shut about his fellow riders as a general policy - cheesing off the guys who you need to get past to get to the podium, seems like an awfully dumb thing to do (much like pissing off your food server when dining out).
 
p4p1 said:
He did complain and said Zarco needed to be reminded that this isn't moto2. He needs to sit down and .... the .... up. It's worth watching the post race presser just for Marquezs reaction after Rossi complained. There's was a raise of the eyebrows and a smirk.
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He should shut up, don't know about .... up !
 
Keshav said:
Could not make a judgement call re: Rossi being irresponsible or whatever. That said, when I saw how wide he went - my first thought was, he's too good a rider to get THAT thrown off by a bit of touch, and that he was likely, taking overmuch advantage of the incident. Even if that were not the case, I would agree with RD in that even if it's a given that he didn't exaggerate the cut-across, he did gain a few tenths that he didn't earn. I think it's that simple.
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I've watched the clip about 30 times and I agree Rossi used it as his pound of flesh to run a ridiculous distance over the right hand side, the bikes barely kissed each other, in fact with his stupid comments at the post race yack if I'd been Zarco I'd have said why dont you put your balls in your head they'd make more sense.
 
Theo said:
I've watched the clip about 30 times and I agree Rossi used it as his pound of flesh to run a ridiculous distance over the right hand side, the bikes barely kissed each other, in fact with his stupid comments at the post race yack if I'd been Zarco I'd have said why dont you put your balls in your head they'd make more sense.
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He seems to have a worsening case of early onset Wayne Gardneritus.
 
p4p1 said:
The only time in history apples autocorrect has corrected to a swear word. Having said that .... up would be pretty ....... entertaining.
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Being corrected by a phone is the most annoying thing, especially when you write something and it changes the word to another one that makes no sense at all.
 
Daniboy said:
Being corrected by a phone is the most annoying thing, especially when you write something and it changes the word to another one that makes no sense at all.
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Maybe you should just turn it off .... cos you posts seem so incomprehensible, just about every word of yours must have been changed.
 
Who cares if Rossi gained anything. Zarco couldnt hang with him anyway and he blasted thru Pedro with a 2 sec gap anyway.
 
It is surely worth mentioning that this is at least the third time(off the top of my head) Rossi has left the track to maintain position rather than back off and make the corner.
 
imunderandoverit said:
Who cares if Rossi gained anything. Zarco couldnt hang with him anyway and he blasted thru Pedro with a 2 sec gap anyway.
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So what about the old "rossi loves to battle"?

Had he "battled" Zarco within the rules he would have been held up and likely would not have even caught Pedrosa ........ that is why they dont have a "b-line" or easy route on race tracks.

The real cheating to me was his attitude that he should not have to "battle" with the likes of Zarco.

Lets just have a marked lane for rossi so he doesnt have to "battle".

It can be on the inside so he doesnt have to take so much time to lap, and when he is on the gopher in a few years time they will have reduced the rossiline to a tiny circle so they can assure he has an easy run to his 50th title.
 
BarryMachine said:
So what about the old "rossi loves to battle"?

Had he "battled" Zarco within the rules he would have been held up and likely would not have even caught Pedrosa
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Or he could have tucked in behind Zarco (as he did behind Crutchlow & Vinales before), who was matching his pace, and waited for him to run out of steam before breaking away as Pedrosa drifted backwards, running out of grip with several laps to go - at the end Pedrosa was doing 2.07s while Rossi & Marquez were the only two riders comfortably pulling out 2.05s. Rossi may have finished just 2 secs ahead of Pedrosa but he had far more left in the tank in terms of tyre life.
 
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JKant said:
Or he could have tucked in behind Zarco (as he did behind Crutchlow & Vinales before), who was matching his pace, and waited for him to run out of steam before breaking away as Pedrosa drifted backwards, running out of grip with several laps to go - at the end Pedrosa was doing 2.07s while Rossi & Marquez were the only two riders comfortably pulling out 2.05s. Rossi may have finished just 2 secs ahead of Pedrosa but he had far more left in the tank in terms of tyre life.
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May have ........

thats why you are supposed to follow the rules .........

so nobody cheats and we know the real outcome.


Ill be glad when and if all this circus .... disappears.
 
The penalty was light. Rossi should have been made to drop position behind Zarco imo. Would have made no difference in the end but on principle. Rossi made the error, ran wide at turn 1, and was still trying to recover and desperately hold position when Zarco got inside him and was at least level fairing to fairing. Case closed, Rossi can't close the door from the outside in that position. He has to concede. The rule is level and track position. Zarco has track position, Rossi tries to get it back but it's too late. If Zarco was too far behind he would have had his front taken out by Rossi. But that clearly wasn't the case. All Rossi could do was bump fairings then gas it. Seriously it was his error and yet somehow he thought he could benefit from it? Then have a whinge about Zarco afterwards? What was Zarco supposed to do, roll off the gas and wait patiently for the elderly driver in front to get back on line?

Looks like the can't race Rossi rule begins at round 3 now. I already knew he was dillusional but didn't know the old guy was this far gone.
 

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