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That would be where the Dorna sniper hid, popping up to shoot Vinale's front tyre out.

You should be asking what happened to Option #70 carcass after it was talked about being brought to Austin. All that talk, suddenly nothing but silence on the subject.
 
That would be where the Dorna sniper hid, popping up to shoot Vinale's front tyre out.

Even outlandish joke conspiracy theories such as this still have some distance to travel to surpass Rossi's contention that MM tanked a race he actually won, beat Jorge into second place to help Jorge in the 2015 championship, and somehow determined the order from 2nd to 4th while taking the chequered flag first at PI 2015.

Perhaps you lack both Uccio's imagination and true devotion to your man.
 
An observation I made during yesterday's race is that people gives Rossi and Vinales far too much credit for the results they've been achieving to date in 2017. Well not the crashing part for Vinales, but everything else.

I made the statement that Vinales is not an alien elsewhere on this forum, and it didn't sit well with some.

The reversal in fortunes for Jorge Lorenzo should have made it more than obvious to everyone how good the Yamaha M1 is. Where I feel Vinales is stronger than Jorge (and this is down to Vinales) is his ability to generate more heat in the Michelin front tire than Lorenzo could when needed. That being said, what Rossi is doing at age 38 is nowhere near as remarkable as one would like to believe due to the bike. Rossi famously used to say it was 80-20 in terms of rider versus bike. His Ducati stint proved that assertion wrong to anyone who was watching. Yes he still has to ride the bike, and he keeps himself in overall great physical condition which can become a little more challenging at that age due to motivation. But he has not lost any of that motivation as the 10th title is what he is really after. But, does anyone truly believe he would be accomplishing this on the RC213V, the GP17, or the GSX-RR? None of those bikes boast the stability and predictability that has been the hallmark of the M1 for many years now. His Ducati stint offered a good look at what happens when you take away the M1 platform, as is currently the case with Jorge Lorenzo. Only the latter seems to be handling it to date better than the former did...but we will see how that unfolds.

It's easy to fall into the trap of believing that a rider is doing something special on a bike. After all, we watch as much for the riders as we do the machines. It's also useful to try and divine how strong a machine a really is, or is not as that is usually the best predictor of success or lack thereof for any rider. The M1 is such a magnificent bike to watch...the difference in stability to the RC213V is stunning. Through the kink heading to turn 11 at COTA, the bumps were quite brutal and unseating and unsettling many riders. As the M1 passed through there, while the chassis was being upset, what was fascinating to see was how well the suspension was dampening the bumps relative to the other bikes. The same thing also was happening through turn 18 which had some nasty bumps near the corner exit. The bumps cause the M1 to move, but the M1 was nowhere near as upset as the RCV was through the same corner. No real surprise that the M1 was so strong in that 4th sector...when you get that kind of damping and stability through unstable parts of the track, it's far easier to keep the throttle pinned and to have your tires maintaining a larger contact patch than everyone else out there. How the M1 handled COTA was eye-opening to me, and while Marc did win the race, the RCV going through those corners was what I could only term as "...-puckering". There were a couple of moments during the race where you could see the front end of the RCV was completely unsettled and moving around so much, that I thought Marc was riding my farm tractor of a street bike where such things are to be expected out of a front suspension.

Everyone expects Maverick to do well as he has looked perfectly at home on the M1 for the most part. No one is entirely sure what to expect out of Marquez each race on the RCV because of how difficult and unstable the bike is. You have to ride on the knife's edge to extract performance out of the RCV. You don't have to do that with the M1.
 
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Just repeating the same old tired accusations doesn't make them real.
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Just saying "Fake News" over and over - doesn't make it so. If you can't offer a credible counter-argument, then as usual, you're just trolling.
 
You should be asking what happened to Option #70 carcass after it was talked about being brought to Austin. All that talk, suddenly nothing but silence on the subject.

As far as I know they're testing it after the Jerez race, that was from an article a few weeks ago. That's why nobody's talking about that.
 
An observation I made during yesterday's race is that people gives Rossi and Vinales far too much credit for the results they've been achieving to date in 2017. Well not the crashing part for Vinales, but everything else.

I made the statement that Vinales is not an alien elsewhere on this forum, and it didn't sit well with some.

The reversal in fortunes for Jorge Lorenzo should have made it more than obvious to everyone how good the Yamaha M1 is. Where I feel Vinales is stronger than Jorge (and this is down to Vinales) is his ability to generate more heat in the Michelin front tire than Lorenzo could when needed. That being said, what Rossi is doing at age 38 is nowhere near as remarkable as one would like to believe due to the bike. Rossi famously used to say it was 80-20 in terms of rider versus bike. His Ducati stint proved that assertion wrong to anyone who was watching. Yes he still has to ride the bike, and he keeps himself in overall great physical condition which can become a little more challenging at that age due to motivation. But he has not lost any of that motivation as the 10th title is what he is really after. But, does anyone truly believe he would be accomplishing this on the RC213V, the GP17, or the GSX-RR? None of those bikes boast the stability and predictability that has been the hallmark of the M1 for many years now. His Ducati stint offered a good look at what happens when you take away the M1 platform, as is currently the case with Jorge Lorenzo. Only the latter seems to be handling it to date better than the former did...but we will see how that unfolds.

It's easy to fall into the trap of believing that a rider is doing something special on a bike. After all, we watch as much for the riders as we do the machines. It's also useful to try and divine how strong a machine a really is, or is not as that is usually the best predictor of success or lack thereof for any rider. The M1 is such a magnificent bike to watch...the difference in stability to the RC213V is stunning. Through the kink heading to turn 11 at COTA, the bumps were quite brutal and unseating and unsettling many riders. As the M1 passed through there, while the chassis was being upset, what was fascinating to see was how well the suspension was dampening the bumps relative to the other bikes. The same thing also was happening through turn 18 which had some nasty bumps near the corner exit. The bumps cause the M1 to move, but the M1 was nowhere near as upset as the RCV was through the same corner. No real surprise that the M1 was so strong in that 4th sector...when you get that kind of damping and stability through unstable parts of the track, it's far easier to keep the throttle pinned and to have your tires maintaining a larger contact patch than everyone else out there. How the M1 handled COTA was eye-opening to me, and while Marc did win the race, the RCV going through those corners was what I could only term as "...-puckering". There were a couple of moments during the race where you could see the front end of the RCV was completely unsettled and moving around so much, that I thought Marc was riding my farm tractor of a street bike where such things are to be expected out of a front suspension.

Everyone expects Maverick to do well as he has looked perfectly at home on the M1 for the most part. No one is entirely sure what to expect out of Marquez each race on the RCV because of how difficult and unstable the bike is. You have to ride on the knife's edge to extract performance out of the RCV. You don't have to do that with the M1.

To be fair, even I wouldn't exclude the possibility that Rossi has made at least some contribution to the quality of the current M1.
 
To be fair, even I wouldn't exclude the possibility that Rossi has made at least some contribution to the quality of the current M1.

I have no doubt Rossi has made a contribution to the current iteration of the M1. Would be entirely unreasonable to think otherwise IMO.

Point still remains, the bike has such a major advantage over the RC213V, and the only reason people don't see it is because of what MM can do on a motorcycle. Crutchlow had to work to get past Zarco's Tech 3 M1 and Pedrosa was simply done in by his tire selection...Marc on the other hand managed that race perfectly since when his tire performance finally fell off a cliff, he had opened up a large enough gap so as to render that change irrelevant.

If you take MM out of the picture altogether and throw someone else on that RC213V, the question then becomes which Yamaha rider will win the title each year rather than 'can MM win the title this year'?
 
The fact Zarco was on the inside line probably in front and had picked Rossi up with a legal and fair racing move. Use your ....... brain for once, surely after a few years of watching racing you would understand that if not for the off track excursion Rossi would've been sitting behind Zarco.
As long as have the same position on the track on re-entry as you had on exit, and haven't gained time, its legal. RD uses the guy in front as reference. Which is why Marquez was allowed to retain his position after cutting the track at Silverstone, an entirely unforced error that would otherwise have cost him two places on the track.
 
As long as have the same position on the track on re-entry as you had on exit, and haven't gained time, its legal. RD uses the guy in front as reference. Which is why Marquez was allowed to retain his position after cutting the track at Silverstone, an entirely unforced error that would otherwise have cost him two places on the track.

Marquez lost places at Silverstone but managed to pass Pedrosa before the line. If you would remember correctly, Marquez was ahead of Rossi and went in too hot to get past Crutchlow for second position. He then dropped back behind Pedrosa.
 
Yes I remember Gobourt saying that the #70 might be bought to COTA as well. But as JPS said, Michelin says a lot of contradictory things.
 
Marquez lost places at Silverstone but managed to pass Pedrosa before the line. If you would remember correctly, Marquez was ahead of Rossi and went in too hot to get past Crutchlow for second position. He then dropped back behind Pedrosa.
You're talking about the last or second last lap - that was just was just an overshoot into the runoff. A fairly common thing.

I'm referring to the incident a few laps before that when he took a huge detour across the track while holding up a hand to acknowledge his mistake.

Marquez was wheel-to-wheel with Rossi, half a bike length behind when he ran off (the new swiveling camera on the M1 followed his trajectory) and he reentered the track just behind Rossi (maybe a tenth of a second behind).

Similar rule applied yesterday at COTA - Rossi was in 3rd place when he ran off and in 3rd place when he returned to the track (Zarco was behind him at all times).
 
Note to all riders, if losing a place is a possibility just run off track and maintain your position.
 
Yes I remember Gobourt saying that the #70 might be bought to COTA as well. But as JPS said, Michelin says a lot of contradictory things.
That was Taramasso on Friday. After the Safety Commission blocked it the next day with several riders saying that testing 6 tyres was enough of a chore on a race weekend, Michelin apparently dropped the idea of fielding it at Austin.

It'll be available at the Jerez test.
 
You're talking about the last or second last lap - that was just was just an overshoot into the runoff. A fairly common thing.

I'm referring to the incident a few laps before that when he took a huge detour across the track while holding up a hand to acknowledge his mistake.

Marquez was wheel-to-wheel with Rossi, half a bike length behind when he ran off (the new swiveling camera on the M1 followed his trajectory) and he reentered the track just behind Rossi (maybe a tenth of a second behind).

Similar rule applied yesterday at COTA - Rossi was in 3rd place when he ran off and in 3rd place when he returned to the track (Zarco was behind him at all times).
Again, the issue was whether he was run off the track. Perhaps just, I think a case can be made for the ruling, but less clearly than at Assen 2015 with MM imo.

The rule also covers maintaining position by going off track as you keep ignoring.
 
Note to all riders, if losing a place is a possibility just run off track and maintain your position.
It doesn't really help maintain position. First off, a continuous runoff is only available at a few places on a few tracks. Second, whatever time you directly gain by running off is stripped away by the time penalty. Third, the overshoot needs to be perfectly timed to avoid the appearance of a deliberate move incurring further penalties. And if you're capable of doing that, then you're probably better off forcing a battle with the faster guy behind you (rather than making it a qualifier-type fight to maintain a X sec gap with him).
 

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