Rossi vs. Stoner (not a troll thread, promise...)

[Barbedwirebikerr]

Cheers that worked will watch some day.

I did google search lorenzo guerrero. Only hit marquez and rossi stuff.

Thanks for the link bud.

 

[BarryMachine]

Good video.

Hadnt seen the actual footage of the Sepang press conference. Rossi had already lost his mind by then, fruity.

Good to see Lorenzo took a stand on the rossi kick.

Anyone hear/know what Lorenzo said to rossi when he saw the the footage for the first time.

 

[yamfan]

Good video.

Hadnt seen the actual footage of the Sepang press conference. Rossi had already lost his mind by then, fruity.

Good to see Lorenzo took a stand on the rossi kick.

Anyone hear/know what Lorenzo said to rossi when he saw the the footage for the first time.

It'll all come out when he's seen out his Yamaha contract I reckon Baz.
The vid certainly shows a different side of Jorge when he's relaxing with friends though doesn't it?

 

[yamfan]

https://vimeo.com/160510937

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Nice one Dani.
How do you feel about Pedrosa criticising Rossi in the video
1 After the Sepang race he says that Rossi was fine about the hard close racing when Super Sic was doing it to other riders, stating that "it's normal, this is racing", so he has no complaint to make about Marquez racing like so with him. (Dani's words not mine)
2 When Lorenzo makes the point that during race weekends Rossi was much slower than him, but by warm up on race day his time had improved hugely overnight and his settings had mysteriously gotten very close to those of Lorenzo's. It was believed that Rossi was copying Lorenzo's data. Not illegal at all, but hardly the actions of "the goat" who developed the bike single handedly according to the yellow mob. Dani, obviously asked the question agreed that something was obviously amiss, saying that "Vale was often 6 to 7 tenths slower in qualifying then on race day he is up with the others, this cannot be right, he would not be sandbagging as nobody does that, so something is not right"
Interesting views from Dani...

 

[danski]

Nice one Dani.
How do you feel about Pedrosa criticising Rossi in the video
1 After the Sepang race he says that Rossi was fine about the hard close racing when Super Sic was doing it to other riders, stating that "it's normal, this is racing", so he has no complaint to make about Marquez racing like so with him. (Dani's words not mine)
2 When Lorenzo makes the point that during race weekends Rossi was much slower than him, but by warm up on race day his time had improved hugely overnight and his settings had mysteriously gotten very close to those of Lorenzo's. It was believed that Rossi was copying Lorenzo's data. Not illegal at all, but hardly the actions of "the goat" who developed the bike single handedly according to the yellow mob. Dani, obviously asked the question agreed that something was obviously amiss, saying that "Vale was often 6 to 7 tenths slower in qualifying then on race day he is up with the others, this cannot be right, he would not be sandbagging as nobody does that, so something is not right"
Interesting views from Dani...

I've said on other threads that VR pretty much made his own bed at the end of last season, and don't agree with much of what he said at all .
Regarding the data, Lorenzo's style is so different that copying settings is never going to work that well. Added to that is VR and his crew are well known for finding something in the morning warm up and more often than not a couple of tenths' in the race.

 

[Arrabbiata1]

Added to that is VR and his crew are well known for finding something in the morning warm up and more often than not a couple of tenths' in the race.

God bless DHL

 

[danski]

God bless DHL

Even during the Bridgestone era ?

 

[yamfan]

I've said on other threads that VR pretty much made his own bed at the end of last season, and don't agree with much of what he said at all .

Regarding the data, Lorenzo's style is so different that copying settings is never going to work that well. Added to that is VR and his crew are well known for finding something in the morning warm up and more often than not a couple of tenths' in the race.

Yup, that'd be Lorenzo's data sheets. LOL
Lorenzo learned picking the bike up more slowly aided grip off corners, from his suspension man noticing it worked for Rossi, why wouldn't perusing Lorenzo's data work for Rossi?
If their styles differ so much why are both riders able to set such similar times on the same bike.
By your logic a bike and its settings will only work for one style of riding.

 

[Arrabbiata1]

Even during the Bridgestone era ?

Well I've said before that the proverbial 'JB pulling a rabbit out of his arse' was always a bit of a myth perpetrated on here. Nonetheless the introduction of Bridgestone and the eventual control tyre did much to challenge the one sided nature of the sport.

However, I would say this. Between 2001 and 2004 qualifying was somewhat of an after thought to Valentino, possibly due to the fact that he had huge faith in his unrivalled talent, but also bolstered by the knowledge that there was an extra several tenths coming on race day.

At 37 he has to work harder to remain at the sharp end. After last season nothing is being left to chance. Credit to him, we've never seen him put the hammer down so emphatically from QP1. He simply can't afford to find himself deep on the grid.

 

[povol]

Even during the Bridgestone era ?

I think if you go back and look, you will see that "we found something overnight" happens every once in a blue moon since Bridgestone, whereas it was an every race occurrence during the SNS era. As Michael said, Rossi was so confident in his advantages at the time, be it physical or mechanical, he had no reason to risk balls out riding to claim the top starting spot when he knew 3-4 10ths were on the way. In the last few years he had a few races where he finished higher than he qualified but that's not because "we found something", it's because certain riders in front of him "lost something" overnight, most notably their super soft q tires

 

[danski]

I think if you go back and look, you will see that "we found something overnight" happens every once in a blue moon since Bridgestone, whereas it was an every race occurrence during the SNS era. As Michael said, Rossi was so confident in his advantages at the time, be it physical or mechanical, he had no reason to risk balls out riding to claim the top starting spot when he knew 3-4 10ths were on the way. In the last few years he had a few races where he finished higher than he qualified but that's not because "we found something", it's because certain riders in front of him "lost something" overnight, most notably their super soft q tires

Not true for races outside Europe Pov, and the bike still needed to be ridden regardless. I am glad those artificial q positions got sorted though, was quite dangerous in reality.

 

[Gaz]

Regarding the data, Lorenzo's style is so different that copying settings is never going to work that well. Added to that is VR and his crew are well known for finding something in the morning warm up and more often than not a couple of tenths' in the race.

Not this crew ........... they are relatively new as a team

 

[Arrabbiata1]

Not this crew ........... they are relatively new as a team

Eh?

Brett and Alex have always been there and Matteo's been there a very long time. Not sure, but I also thought that Seki was the electronics guru during his previous stint at Yamaha too. Also, don't forget the vital work that Uccio does...sorting his tear offs, handing him ear plugs and walking around the garage with a clipboard.

 

[Gaz]

Eh?

Brett and Alex have always been there and Matteo's been there a very long time. Not sure, but I also thought that Seki was the electronics guru during his previous stint at Yamaha too. Also, don't forget the vital work that Uccio does...sorting his tear offs, handing him ear plugs and walking around the garage with a clipboard.

Am thinking more the dude that replaced JB and how they work as a team (structure etc)

Sometimes the people can be the same but the roles change which can impact how that person impacts the team

As for Uccio, I have seen no change to the way he hands the gloves and earplugs so that level of solidity with the changes should be the and given that the clipboard has not changed design I suspect no changes there either


I did word poorly

 

[povol]

So many examples of Rossi the coward.

It goes to show you how most people glory hunt towards results without meaning. They think by association of the record it somehow reflects on them, the irony being, it does.

Here is how desperate Rossi fans are to keep him relevant, they come up with irrelevant records. This is what Rossi fans have been reduced to when comparing him against other riders, kind of like the chart that started this thread, a chart to compare Rossi and Stoner, without wanting to actually compare the two. Notice the idiots screen name

Rossi is the only rider who won back to back championships aboard bikes with different numbers of cylinders.
submitted 1 day ago by fraud_93

 

[propagandhi]

Who rode more machinery? Who lasted longer?
He hasn't been the fastest for 10 years now. But he's been close enough to still be in that conversation.
Stoner prime 07-12
Lorenzo 09-now
Pedro 06-10

Vale is still there.
He never gets the golden shoe. He never scores 30 goals like a stoner does in his wonder years. But he keeps scoring 25.
Year after year.
And if you're in the conversation for "but who is fastest right now? " for 20 years and counting you're surely great.

Pound 4 pound, prime 4 prime rossi is almost as good as anyone and hes been that good for as long as the other 5 riders in history that can challange his talent together.

+ if we don't restrict the conversation to racing but enhance it to the whole topic who's best at playing the motogp game there really is no contest.

Hard to argue against I'd say.

Edit: some grammar mistakes. I'm smart and have a P.retty H.uge D.ick like my mate. Promised. Brought to u by the powerslide whatsapp vip group

 

[povol]

Who rode more machinery? Who lasted longer?
He hasn't been the fastest for 10 years now. But he's been close enough to still be in that conversation.
Stoner prime 07-12
Lorenzo 09-now
Pedro 06-10

Vale is still there.
He never gets the golden shoe. He never scores 30 goals like a stoner does in his wonder years. But he keeps scoring 25.
Year after year.
And if you're in the conversation for "but who is fastest right now? " for 20 years and counting you're surely great.

Pound 4 pound, prime 4 prime rossi is almost as good as anyone and hes been that good for as long as the other 5 riders in history that can challange his talent together.

+ if we don't restrict the conversation to racing but enhance it to the whole topic who's best at playing the motogp game there really is no contest.

Hard to argue against I'd say.

Edit: some grammar mistakes. I'm smart and have a P.retty H.uge D.ick like my mate. Promised. Brought to u by the powerslide whatsapp vip group

And no one really argues that Rossi is ONE of the all time greats. The push back comes when Rossi fans demand there be no debate as to their declaration of him being the undisputed GOAT.

 

[michaelm]

Who rode more machinery? Who lasted longer?
He hasn't been the fastest for 10 years now. But he's been close enough to still be in that conversation.
Stoner prime 07-12
Lorenzo 09-now
Pedro 06-10

Vale is still there.
He never gets the golden shoe. He never scores 30 goals like a stoner does in his wonder years. But he keeps scoring 25.
Year after year.
And if you're in the conversation for "but who is fastest right now? " for 20 years and counting you're surely great.

Pound 4 pound, prime 4 prime rossi is almost as good as anyone and hes been that good for as long as the other 5 riders in history that can challange his talent together.

+ if we don't restrict the conversation to racing but enhance it to the whole topic who's best at playing the motogp game there really is no contest.

Hard to argue against I'd say.

Edit: some grammar mistakes. I'm smart and have a P.retty H.uge D.ick like my mate. Promised. Brought to u by the powerslide whatsapp vip group

I wouldn't dispute that he has had several 30 goal seasons; what is wrong with his 2001, 2004 and 2005 seasons even if anyone wants to leave out the first 2 seasons on the 990 Honda? I don't think it was possible to ride much better than he did in 2008 either, barring one early race entanglement with Randy De Puniet; even in a late season race riding injured he came through the field to finish on the podium.

 

[propagandhi]

And no one really argues that Rossi is ONE of the all time greats. The push back comes when Rossi fans demand there be no debate as to their declaration of him being the undisputed GOAT.

The question in modern racing is not who's the fastest .
It's who is the best player at the game.

Rossi needs to die or retire,then we can have a conversation .

And now for something completely similar :
The problem here is that we respect posters who think them opening their mouth equals the spread of wisdom.
So a lot of us gathered trivial micro knowledge to fire away at people. Wow.
You guys really think that hrc,repsol( or whoever runs the show this week) would allow for the best tyre to be rossi centric and that biaggi and giberbau of all people wouldn't complain?
There's a difference between merely being arrogant enough to feel like the self appointed voiceof everything and just being an arrogant .....
The way some people talk here just illustrates that. If you follow gp this long and this closely and still don't get that its a business you're missing critical thinking skills.
Age and having been into it longer can't compensate for that.

Btw i really hate when all eloquence is lost by repeated edits and the apparent struggle to link sentences.
Bonus points for trying tho.


....... cesspool this has become.
Now i understand the difference between fan and fanatic

 

[JPSLotus]

Let me google that for you