Rossi Stoner Psychological Battle

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Aug 6 2008, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>agreed big rodge.
I also believe that casey may be wound a little too tight for his own good.
Intensity can be an asset, but being too intense can cause mental fatigue.
He should try to outperform his opponents (VR) in this case, but be careful not to try to outperform his own limits.
VR is will probably go down as the greatest rider in history (and it's hard to argue), but I think he knows and understands that you cannot win every race, and cannot control every situation. I dont believe CS has matured to this point yet (he may get there and he may not)
To put it in its simplest terms take a step back, take a deep breath, and relax just a little

The mind is what separates great from greatness, not talent IMO

i think i'll make that its own thread

Agree with that.

Pete

I don't know where to posted it guys...this just come out in AMCN
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Thanks for posting that #46. It is true that if Vale was on the other end of the result I would expect to hear the same from Vale. Whatever the result anyway you have to look past all the ........ and realize it was a fun race to watch. Wait til the next one!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 8 2008, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks for posting that #46. It is true that if Vale was on the other end of the result I would expect to hear the same from Vale. Whatever the result anyway you have to look past all the ........ and realize it was a fun race to watch. Wait til the next one!!!
thats your opinion and your intitled to it but i dont agree. and dont bring up rossi moaning about scud, half the grid were complaining about him at the time.

mabe casey should cast his mind back to laguna last year before he shouts about dangerous passing to loudly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 8 2008, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats your opinion and your intitled to it but i dont agree. and dont bring up rossi moaning about scud, half the grid were complaining about him at the time.

mabe casey should cast his mind back to laguna last year before he shouts about dangerous passing to loudly.
Dude Vale is human just like everyone else. He moaned enough last year to get his tires changed and Dorna forced it for him. Just be real man. I don't give a .... about this and that other than good races but it isn't just my opinion cause we all know he would be saying .... about the race had Casey pushed like Vale did. Whats the big deal and why the need to defend him so much? And as for last year at Laguna Casey ripped eveyone a new .... Plus Vale's POS Yamaha blew up which did suck cause I wanted to see a race but hey .... happens just like it did this year. Hey great race and it was really fun to watch. I can't blame Rossi for wanting the win as bad as he did. Good job is what I say.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 8 2008, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dude Vale is human just like everyone else. He moaned enough last year to get his tires changed and Dorna forced it for him. Just be real man. I don't give a .... about this and that other than good races but it isn't just my opinion cause we all know he would be saying .... about the race had Casey pushed like Vale did. Whats the big deal and why the need to defend him so much? And as for last year at Laguna Casey ripped eveyone a new .... Plus Vale's POS Yamaha blew up which did suck cause I wanted to see a race but hey .... happens just like it did this year. Hey great race and it was really fun to watch. I can't blame Rossi for wanting the win as bad as he did. Good job is what I say.
firstly that was pure speculation. no media nor none of us were at that meeting with dorna so thats not start treating old opinions like facts.

secondly ,casey sure ripped hayden edwards and hopper a new ... last year .

i agree it was a blinding race , just a pity casey cant be as good a looser as he is a winner thats all. i just hope casey has not forgotten his bar bashing 250 roots.

im not overly defending rossi ! im just calling peeps out on using opinions as facts and forgetting no one is whiter than white in this sport, not even casey.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 8 2008, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>firstly that was pure speculation. no media nor none of us were at that meeting with dorna so thats not start treating old opinions like facts.

secondly ,casey sure ripped hayden edwards and hopper a new ... last year .

i agree it was a blinding race , just a pity casey cant be as good a looser as he is a winner thats all. i just hope casey has not forgotten his bar bashing 250 roots.

im not overly defending rossi ! im just calling peeps out on using opinions as facts and forgetting no one is whiter than white in this sport, not even casey.


how is your opinion any different. so it's a fact that rossi wouldn't be bitching if the shoe was on the other foot?

i mean, if we are just calling peeps out and all...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Aug 8 2008, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how is your opinion any different. so it's a fact that rossi wouldn't be bitching if the shoe was on the other foot?

i mean, if we are just calling peeps out and all...
im not saying my opinions are fact am i ? and to say rossi would have bitched it hypothetical which is also not a fact so what was your point here ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 8 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>firstly that was pure speculation. no media nor none of us were at that meeting with dorna so thats not start treating old opinions like facts.

secondly ,casey sure ripped hayden edwards and hopper a new ... last year .

i agree it was a blinding race , just a pity casey cant be as good a looser as he is a winner thats all. i just hope casey has not forgotten his bar bashing 250 roots.

im not overly defending rossi ! im just calling peeps out on using opinions as facts and forgetting no one is whiter than white in this sport, not even casey.
I can surely say that Vale would say .... to Casey if that happened. HE said .... to GIbernau for less years ago. It is rediculous to even point that stuff out. Everyone has opinions and says stuff on here regardless if it is fact or fiction. So what? I am not using an opinion as fact I am merely stating an observation based on previous events. I hope the same .... happens at Brno and Casey wins then Vale has a Hissy like stoner. Remember when Gibernau beat ROssi at Sachenring years ago and We saw that happy Valentino Look as though he was ready to shoot Gibernau. Damn that is just a winner being a sore loser just like Casey was so it isn't far fetched to say such a thing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 8 2008, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>im not saying my opinions are fact am i ? and to say rossi would have bitched it hypothetical which is also not a fact so what was your point here ?

do i really have to spell this out? really?

you're trying to debate an opinion, with an opinion. saying that he can't state his opinion because it's an opinion, unless it's a fact. it's dumb. and typing it out makes it sound even dumber.

isn't the old saying go something like "history repeats itself, so the best way to see into the future is to look at the past"? hmmm. ok, so, it's not too far fetched for rockgod to observe rossi's past, and calculate the percentage to be rather high that he (rossi) would have complained.

whether you agree or disagree with all of this is NOT the point. its your OPINION that rossi wouldn't have. it's rock's that he would. period. and you can't discount anything you feel like because you feel it suits your cause.

let's go further into this though. you say its purely speculation about the tires? not from my point of view that's for sure. it was widely known just how much rossi was crying about the tires. it was EVERYWHERE. the fact i wasn't in the "meeting" with dorna, doesn't change the fact that rossi was whining about his tires and got what he wanted much to Yamaha's dismay.

then you go from there to belittleing stoner's achievements last year at laguna. why is that? because he didn't have to "battle" rossi? maybe rossi didn't have anything for him. isn't it speculation that rossi could have won that race. from what i remember stoner was gone the first lap. and also, if i remember correctly hayden pretty much putting a whopping on everyone at the track for 2 years, so he's no slouch there.


and rock has already said it. when gibber was winning races, i remember someone doing a little pouting, and having sour faces. even remember some sort of "voodoo" curse he put on him. sounds a little "childish", and like a sore loser to me. but maybe not to you? np. we all have our opinion don't we?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Aug 8 2008, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>do i really have to spell this out? really?

you're trying to debate an opinion, with an opinion. saying that he can't state his opinion because it's an opinion, unless it's a fact. it's dumb. and typing it out makes it sound even dumber.

isn't the old saying go something like "history repeats itself, so the best way to see into the future is to look at the past"? hmmm. ok, so, it's not too far fetched for rockgod to observe rossi's past, and calculate the percentage to be rather high that he (rossi) would have complained.

whether you agree or disagree with all of this is NOT the point. its your OPINION that rossi wouldn't have. it's rock's that he would. period. and you can't discount anything you feel like because you feel it suits your cause.

let's go further into this though. you say its purely speculation about the tires? not from my point of view that's for sure. it was widely known just how much rossi was crying about the tires. it was EVERYWHERE. the fact i wasn't in the "meeting" with dorna, doesn't change the fact that rossi was whining about his tires and got what he wanted much to Yamaha's dismay.

then you go from there to belittleing stoner's achievements last year at laguna. why is that? because he didn't have to "battle" rossi? maybe rossi didn't have anything for him. isn't it speculation that rossi could have won that race. from what i remember stoner was gone the first lap. and also, if i remember correctly hayden pretty much putting a whopping on everyone at the track for 2 years, so he's no slouch there.


and rock has already said it. when gibber was winning races, i remember someone doing a little pouting, and having sour faces. even remember some sort of "voodoo" curse he put on him. sounds a little "childish", and like a sore loser to me. but maybe not to you? np. we all have our opinion don't we?
no im not, read what i said. you cant use hypothetical situations and call them facts. i thought we were all past the "what if's"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Aug 8 2008, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and rock has already said it. when gibber was winning races, i remember someone doing a little pouting, and having sour faces. even remember some sort of "voodoo" curse he put on him. sounds a little "childish", and like a sore loser to me. but maybe not to you? np. we all have our opinion don't we?
I wouldn't call it voodoo, Rossi merely said that Gibbers would never win another race as long as Valentino was on the grid.

Whether or not Rossi would behave like Stoner if he were on the receiving end, who knows. My guess would be yes but no one has really put it to him like that so we've no idea. His comments do sort of open the gates to other riders. The way I read it was that if you're out there scrapping then it's all in fun and as long as you're not completely over-the-tope reckless like Capirossi Motegi 2004, then it's racing. If anyone can catch Rossi maybe they'll put some hard moves on him a bit more than they used to. If anyone can catch him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Aug 8 2008, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>let's go further into this though. you say its purely speculation about the tires? not from my point of view that's for sure. it was widely known just how much rossi was crying about the tires. it was EVERYWHERE. the fact i wasn't in the "meeting" with dorna, doesn't change the fact that rossi was whining about his tires and got what he wanted much to Yamaha's dismay.
Considering the start of your post that was rather hilarious.
No matter what you belive it's still PURE speculations.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>(djm @ Aug 8 2008, 02:05 PM)
and rock has already said it. when gibber was winning races, i remember someone doing a little pouting, and having sour faces. even remember some sort of "voodoo" curse he put on him. sounds a little "childish", and like a sore loser to me. but maybe not to you? np. we all have our opinion don't we?

sounds like you and rock bought into all the media hype at the time. the argument with gibbers was nothing to do with being beaten on the track, it was about him complaining to race control because he swept some sand off his starting spot , rossi had to start at the back because of it. rossi was not the only one to clean there starting spot i dont ever remember rossi being a bad looser, not even when loosing a championship.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 8 2008, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't call it voodoo, Rossi merely said that Gibbers would never win another race as long as Valentino was on the grid.

Whether or not Rossi would behave like Stoner if he were on the receiving end, who knows. My guess would be yes but no one has really put it to him like that so we've no idea. His comments do sort of open the gates to other riders. The way I read it was that if you're out there scrapping then it's all in fun and as long as you're not completely over-the-tope reckless like Capirossi Motegi 2004, then it's racing. If anyone can catch Rossi maybe they'll put some hard moves on him a bit more than they used to. If anyone can catch him.


Ive pointed it out before Austin, when Max put Rossi off the track at about a hundred and plenty , Rossi didn't greet (cry for any non Scots on here) and put on a skirt, he punched him. Not condoning violence you understand, but that was his reaction to a dangerous move. As the quote in his book says "I heet heem!!!!!" We know how Vale reacts, coz weve been watchin him for years. Casey has done himself no favours here.


Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 8 2008, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sounds like you and rock bought into all the media hype at the time. the argument with gibbers was nothing to do with being beaten on the track, it was about him complaining to race control because he swept some sand off his starting spot , rossi had to start at the back because of it. rossi was not the only one to clean there starting spot i dont ever remember rossi being a bad looser, not even when loosing a championship.


Rog there is no point in argueing with the Google Gang, if they look up enough sites they will find what they wanted to find.

And as for the Gibbers quote, it was probably the final straw to someone who was ready to fall to bits anyway. And remember, it wasnt even Rossi who cleaned the grid it was his team. If folks cant see that Rossi wanted the same tyres as Stoner coz he wanted an even playing field, then let them live out their wee fantasy. Actually, we should just take the piss out of them coz stoner was greetin and moanin to get a Ducati coz he did .... all on the Honda.

Riders change bikes, tyres even ...... oils all the time, and tonight I'm in no mood for .....!!!!!


Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Aug 8 2008, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know where to posted it guys...this just come out in AMCN
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Thanks for that & kudos to AMCN for a well written article.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Aug 8 2008, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ive pointed it out before Austin, when Max put Rossi off the track at about a hundred and plenty , Rossi didn't greet (cry for any non Scots on here) and put on a skirt, he punched him. Not condoning violence you understand, but that was his reaction to a dangerous move. As the quote in his book says "I heet heem!!!!!" We know how Vale reacts, coz weve been watchin him for years. Casey has done himself no favours here.


Pete
Valid point.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Aug 8 2008, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ive pointed it out before Austin, when Max put Rossi off the track at about a hundred and plenty , Rossi didn't greet (cry for any non Scots on here) and put on a skirt, he punched him.


Not condoning violence you understand, but that was his reaction to a dangerous move. As the quote in his book says "I heet heem!!!!!" We know how Vale reacts, coz weve been watchin him for years. Casey has done himself no favours here.


Pete


and that sounds like a pure ....... to me. i think rossi acts like a spoiled little brat, and has gotten his way for far too long. nobody has really taken it to him, and i'm quite enjoying seeing him, and his fans squirm.

funny thing is. the "elbow" incident is one of the greatest examples of favoritism. most of you have probably never taken a step on a race track, much less raced. and i can tell you for a fact, that when a bike/rider gets that close you take every step necessary to get that ...... off/away from you as possible. nobody likes to get tangled up at 100+ mph. so in rossifanboyism eyes rossi was in the right. but i can tell you from experience he was being a punk. and HE should have gotten punched, not the other way around. it just simply amazes me the level of passes rossi gets. he defintely plays people like a violin.

you know i came on this board and want to make sure that some of you understand. i'm not even a CS fan. i'm a kawi fan. i root for the bike, and whoever is on it. CS is just the first rider i've seen in a LONG ....... time to come onto the circuit and within the rules give VR a run for his money. like him or not, its about ....... time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Aug 10 2008, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and that sounds like a pure ....... to me. i think rossi acts like a spoiled little brat, and has gotten his way for far too long. nobody has really taken it to him, and i'm quite enjoying seeing him, and his fans squirm.

funny thing is. the "elbow" incident is one of the greatest examples of favoritism. most of you have probably never taken a step on a race track, much less raced. and i can tell you for a fact, that when a bike/rider gets that close you take every step necessary to get that ...... off/away from you as possible. nobody likes to get tangled up at 100+ mph. so in rossifanboyism eyes rossi was in the right. but i can tell you from experience he was being a punk. and HE should have gotten punched, not the other way around. it just simply amazes me the level of passes rossi gets. he defintely plays people like a violin.

you know i came on this board and want to make sure that some of you understand. i'm not even a CS fan. i'm a kawi fan. i root for the bike, and whoever is on it. CS is just the first rider i've seen in a LONG ....... time to come onto the circuit and within the rules give VR a run for his money. like him or not, its about ....... time.


Lucky ....... Valentino Rossi -- he never met a really experienced racer like YOU on the track, he would have learnt a good lesson, wouldn't he.