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inam said:

Racing With A Shoulder Injury: Kenny Noyes Speaks From Experience

Ever since Valentino Rossi joined Ducati, the burning question of just how competitive the Desmosedici GP11 is has been clouded by



Rossi's shoulder injury. The weakened shoulder - a result of training accident in which Rossi hyperextended his shoulder, fixed by surgery in November of 2010 - has made it very difficult to judge how fast Rossi could be on the bike if he could ride the Ducati unhampered by his shoulder. As a consequence, debate has raged among fans and pundits over how much or Rossi's deficit to put down to the shoulder, and how much to the bike.



Such shoulder injuries are relatively common in motorcycle racing - at Qatar, the list of riders recovering from post-season shoulder surgery was alarmingly long - as being thrown from a moving motorcycle at speed almost invariably causes some kind of damage to shoulders, arms and hands. Add to this the fact that the shoulder is one of the most complex joints in the body, and certainly the one with the largest range of motion, and you begin to understand just how big an effect a shoulder injury can have.



To gauge the extent to which a shoulder injury can slow a rider up, we spoke to Avintia-STX Moto2 rider Kenny Noyes at Qatar. The American had surgery on his shoulder at the beginning of December 2010. The operation, carried out by Dr Armengol, took a bone graft from Noyes' hip and placed it in the shoulder, to reinforce the ligament connection. The rear labrum ligament was broken, and the rest of the shoulder joint was unstable, and the surgery was aimed at restoring that stability. The injury is broadly similar to, though slightly more severe than the problem suffered by Valentino Rossi, and the repairs carried out are comparable.



Noyes' surgery was a success, but the problem is the period required to recuperate fully. Even for a sportsman such as Noyes, who is in outstanding physical conditions, the recovery will only be 100% complete some six months after surgery. Until then, Noyes has to deal with pain, weakness in the shoulder, and, most difficult of all, the sudden disappearance of strength in the joint once it becomes tired.



"My shoulder's painful, but you just grit your teeth and forget about it," Noyes told MotoMatters.com, "The worst thing's not the pain, though, it's the lack of strength; I can't make the bike change directions. I get to to the point where I want to flick the bike in, and it's like everything happens in slow motion, and I end up missing my apex."



The precise control that is needed to exploit the full potential of a racing motorcycle is just missing, as is the strength to correct mistakes. "It's hardest during qualifying, when you really want to push for an extra couple of tenths," Noyes explained. "You start to push the front, and normally you'd be able to catch it. With this injury, you can't save the front."



But racing, too, offers its own set of problems: "It's not so bad at first, but then the strength just goes in one go," Noyes said. "Qatar was the first time I've done more than 10 laps in a row on my shoulder, and it lets you know all about it."



The cancellation of the Japanese Grand Prix, scheduled for April 24th but now postponed to October 2nd, comes as a blessing in disguise for Noyes. Once the Jerez MotoGP round next weekend is out of the way, another month of recovery, doing stretching and light physical exercise to build up the mobility and strength in the joint, should see the American back to something near full fitness at the subsequent race at Estoril in the first week of May.



Whether a nine-time World Champion like Valentino Rossi or a relative newcomer to the MotoGP paddock like Kenny Noyes, a shoulder injury is not a trivial problem. Recovering fully requires surgical expertise and dedication in physical rehabilitation, but most of all, it requires time. This is not an injury where you step back on the bike and go racing again, now matter how many world titles you have to your name.





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woody996 said:

It is obvious there is a lot of payback happening and a lot of anti-Rossi sentiment flying around. It's just not worth arguing about.

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inam said:

Racing With A Shoulder Injury: Kenny Noyes Speaks From Experience

Ever since Valentino Rossi joined Ducati, the burning question of just how competitive the Desmosedici GP11 is has been clouded by



Rossi's shoulder injury. The weakened shoulder - a result of training accident in which Rossi hyperextended his shoulder, fixed by surgery in November of 2010 - has made it very difficult to judge how fast Rossi could be on the bike if he could ride the Ducati unhampered by his shoulder. As a consequence, debate has raged among fans and pundits over how much or Rossi's deficit to put down to the shoulder, and how much to the bike.



Such shoulder injuries are relatively common in motorcycle racing - at Qatar, the list of riders recovering from post-season shoulder surgery was alarmingly long - as being thrown from a moving motorcycle at speed almost invariably causes some kind of damage to shoulders, arms and hands. Add to this the fact that the shoulder is one of the most complex joints in the body, and certainly the one with the largest range of motion, and you begin to understand just how big an effect a shoulder injury can have.



While some peeps are pondering how Rossi's shoulder injury must be the reason why he's struggling on the Ducati, they will also need to ponder why everybody else on a Ducati is struggling. Maybe they all have shoulder injuries too?



To gauge the extent to which a shoulder injury can slow a rider up, we spoke to Avintia-STX Moto2 rider Kenny Noyes at Qatar. The American had surgery on his shoulder at the beginning of December 2010. The operation, carried out by Dr Armengol, took a bone graft from Noyes' hip and placed it in the shoulder, to reinforce the ligament connection. The rear labrum ligament was broken, and the rest of the shoulder joint was unstable, and the surgery was aimed at restoring that stability. The injury is broadly similar to, though slightly more severe than the problem suffered by Valentino Rossi, and the repairs carried out are comparable.



Noyes' surgery was a success, but the problem is the period required to recuperate fully. Even for a sportsman such as Noyes, who is in outstanding physical conditions, the recovery will only be 100% complete some six months after surgery. Until then, Noyes has to deal with pain, weakness in the shoulder, and, most difficult of all, the sudden disappearance of strength in the joint once it becomes tired.



"My shoulder's painful, but you just grit your teeth and forget about it," Noyes told MotoMatters.com, "The worst thing's not the pain, though, it's the lack of strength; I can't make the bike change directions. I get to to the point where I want to flick the bike in, and it's like everything happens in slow motion, and I end up missing my apex."



The precise control that is needed to exploit the full potential of a racing motorcycle is just missing, as is the strength to correct mistakes. "It's hardest during qualifying, when you really want to push for an extra couple of tenths," Noyes explained. "You start to push the front, and normally you'd be able to catch it. With this injury, you can't save the front."



But racing, too, offers its own set of problems: "It's not so bad at first, but then the strength just goes in one go," Noyes said. "Qatar was the first time I've done more than 10 laps in a row on my shoulder, and it lets you know all about it."



The cancellation of the Japanese Grand Prix, scheduled for April 24th but now postponed to October 2nd, comes as a blessing in disguise for Noyes. Once the Jerez MotoGP round next weekend is out of the way, another month of recovery, doing stretching and light physical exercise to build up the mobility and strength in the joint, should see the American back to something near full fitness at the subsequent race at Estoril in the first week of May.



Whether a nine-time World Champion like Valentino Rossi or a relative newcomer to the MotoGP paddock like Kenny Noyes, a shoulder injury is not a trivial problem. Recovering fully requires surgical expertise and dedication in physical rehabilitation, but most of all, it requires time. This is not an injury where you step back on the bike and go racing again, now matter how many world titles you have to your name.





http://motomatters.c...kenny_noye.html

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Jumkie said:

First of all, I hear peeps crying how the banter is gotten oh so bad and outta hand. 1. We have an ignore button (I've never used it, but its there) 2. It takes me 1-3 seconds to figure out if a post is trolling or part of a slag fest, if I want to participate, I do, if I don't, I move on. 3. I skip over a few members automatically when I scoll, for example: Supershit, Pinky, Scotty (the new Pinky) and others. What is the problem? You guys are having hissy fits because of the "new" tone (which isn't any different than the "old" tone (only difference is Boppers now crying).



Ok, so...



Woods & Esco, boo hoo, too much banter, eh? It wasn't a prob when your boy was up, but now its gotten out of hand? Now its taken up a notch? Oh please, at one time the Stoner fans were ran outta hear like they had plague. God know how many Nicky fans left in 07. For over 2 years straight (and still now) we heard how Stoner was such a moaner faking tummy ache crybaby. Hell, even the journalist took their cues from fans calling his health issue a "mystery illness". I have yet to read a website call Rossi's shoulder injury "pre op" a "mystery". And don't give me this about him getting an operation to prove anything, all of these guys go in for ops post season. Rossi's shoulder has been compared to Neil's as if all shoulder injuries are the same. Its just to give you guys some foder. Where are all the articles about wrist injuries? Did not Stoner have a severe wrist injury that wouldn't heal? They even had to put in a bone graft. Do you remember it? Well what I don't remember is "Stacy Moaner" telling us it hurt every five minutes, nor sympathetic pieces run on websites trying to garner some support. ...., they even had to change his riding position to accommodate the loss of mobility. Krop reported on that in 2010. But .... like that is non sensational, only Rossi's shoulder is, and it gets compared to ridiculous ..... Now am I hating? Is this slagging? If only bothers you guys cuz it reveals a double standard, that Rossi get all the sympathy when in fact all of these guys have injuries that bother them, that inflict pain and compromise strength. But you guys don't give it too much importance. Why? Aoyama broke his damn back, Bautista had an incision form here to China, and we are talking Rossi's shoulder. An injury that seemed to ebb and flow with results. Well now Pedro has one too, and if you guys are going to try and compare shoulder injuries, Pedro scored a podium with his. Ah, now what you guys gonna say? Not all shoulder injuries are created equal?

Esco, that's pretty rich, considering that you've participated in your fair share, you like Babel thought Stoner and TC was a match made in heaven, to say what exactly? You see boys, there is a saying, maybe you've heard of it: "There won't be nothin if you don't start nothin."

What do you guys want? You want intelligent debate? Like what? You want pages of debate like Rob only for two giants of the forum like Arrabi and Michael to basically tell him he's full of ....? (Only after Rob decided to pull out the Nazi card? Which was my cue to leave the thread cuz that just showed he was unstable, but Esco jumped to his rescue). What exactly do you guys want the forum to sound like? I'm game, but stick to your standard, not compromise it when .... doesn't go your way.

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Jumkie said:

This article should ONLY be read to give you some insight into KENNY NOYES’ shoulder injury, period!





But of course, like the article on Superbikeplanet, certain fans will use it to make some absurd connection into Rossi's shoulder injury. It’s tantamount to saying all broken legs are as severe as Mick Doohan's. Yes, it happened on the part of the body we call the shoulder, but all bodies and impacts are infinitely different and have little comparison across the board. It’s like saying, hey these two people got cancer, so their experience must be the same. Oh really, well sometimes people just need a few treatments and go on living for 20 years while others die in 3 months. Oh but it won’t stop ignorant people from making generalizations to serve their hunger to rationalize race results. Neil Hodgson's shoulder injury put the man in the hospital and was forced to miss races, no such thing happened to Rossi. I await reading about the wrist injuries needing bone grafts that won't heal and how this effects riding a motorcycle at this level…but I won’t hold my breath.

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inam said:

Asusual Jum you missed the point in this article by miles, go back and read it again and you will find out they are not trying to compare shoulder injuries acutally they are talking about effects and healing process of these kind injuries which abviously can take long time to heal.

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Jumkie said:

J4rno, where have you been/ I've missed you.

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gumby1 said:

RDP on the "satellite" Duc is showing the full factory guys with the gun engineering guru,s how to ride. How embarrassing for VR fans. Ducati must be kicking themselves pouring a bucket of money into a rider who,s best achievements are def behind him. nuff said

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Jumkie said:

Ah yes, becuz he's got zero points to date (with the distinction of taking out his teammate too) with no guarantee he will actually score points tomorrow?

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inam said:

Racing With A Shoulder Injury: Kenny Noyes Speaks From Experience

Ever since Valentino Rossi joined Ducati, the burning question of just how competitive the Desmosedici GP11 is has been clouded by



Rossi's shoulder injury. The weakened shoulder - a result of training accident in which Rossi hyperextended his shoulder, fixed by surgery in November of 2010 - has made it very difficult to judge how fast Rossi could be on the bike if he could ride the Ducati unhampered by his shoulder. As a consequence, debate has raged among fans and pundits over how much or Rossi's deficit to put down to the shoulder, and how much to the bike.



Such shoulder injuries are relatively common in motorcycle racing - at Qatar, the list of riders recovering from post-season shoulder surgery was alarmingly long - as being thrown from a moving motorcycle at speed almost invariably causes some kind of damage to shoulders, arms and hands. Add to this the fact that the shoulder is one of the most complex joints in the body, and certainly the one with the largest range of motion, and you begin to understand just how big an effect a shoulder injury can have.



To gauge the extent to which a shoulder injury can slow a rider up, we spoke to Avintia-STX Moto2 rider Kenny Noyes at Qatar. The American had surgery on his shoulder at the beginning of December 2010. The operation, carried out by Dr Armengol, took a bone graft from Noyes' hip and placed it in the shoulder, to reinforce the ligament connection. The rear labrum ligament was broken, and the rest of the shoulder joint was unstable, and the surgery was aimed at restoring that stability. The injury is broadly similar to, though slightly more severe than the problem suffered by Valentino Rossi, and the repairs carried out are comparable.



Noyes' surgery was a success, but the problem is the period required to recuperate fully. Even for a sportsman such as Noyes, who is in outstanding physical conditions, the recovery will only be 100% complete some six months after surgery. Until then, Noyes has to deal with pain, weakness in the shoulder, and, most difficult of all, the sudden disappearance of strength in the joint once it becomes tired.



"My shoulder's painful, but you just grit your teeth and forget about it," Noyes told MotoMatters.com, "The worst thing's not the pain, though, it's the lack of strength; I can't make the bike change directions. I get to to the point where I want to flick the bike in, and it's like everything happens in slow motion, and I end up missing my apex."



The precise control that is needed to exploit the full potential of a racing motorcycle is just missing, as is the strength to correct mistakes. "It's hardest during qualifying, when you really want to push for an extra couple of tenths," Noyes explained. "You start to push the front, and normally you'd be able to catch it. With this injury, you can't save the front."



But racing, too, offers its own set of problems: "It's not so bad at first, but then the strength just goes in one go," Noyes said. "Qatar was the first time I've done more than 10 laps in a row on my shoulder, and it lets you know all about it."



The cancellation of the Japanese Grand Prix, scheduled for April 24th but now postponed to October 2nd, comes as a blessing in disguise for Noyes. Once the Jerez MotoGP round next weekend is out of the way, another month of recovery, doing stretching and light physical exercise to build up the mobility and strength in the joint, should see the American back to something near full fitness at the subsequent race at Estoril in the first week of May.



Whether a nine-time World Champion like Valentino Rossi or a relative newcomer to the MotoGP paddock like Kenny Noyes, a shoulder injury is not a trivial problem. Recovering fully requires surgical expertise and dedication in physical rehabilitation, but most of all, it requires time. This is not an injury where you step back on the bike and go racing again, now matter how many world titles you have to your name.





http://motomatters.c...kenny_noye.html

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Jumkie said:

First of all, I hear peeps crying how the banter is gotten oh so bad and outta hand. 1. We have an ignore button (I've never used it, but its there) 2. It takes me 1-3 seconds to figure out if a post is trolling or part of a slag fest, if I want to participate, I do, if I don't, I move on. 3. I skip over a few members automatically when I scoll, for example: Supershit, Pinky, Scotty (the new Pinky) and others. What is the problem? You guys are having hissy fits because of the "new" tone (which isn't any different than the "old" tone (only difference is Boppers now crying).



Ok, so...



Woods & Esco, boo hoo, too much banter, eh? It wasn't a prob when your boy was up, but now its gotten out of hand? Now its taken up a notch? Oh please, at one time the Stoner fans were ran outta hear like they had plague. God know how many Nicky fans left in 07. For over 2 years straight (and still now) we heard how Stoner was such a moaner faking tummy ache crybaby. Hell, even the journalist took their cues from fans calling his health issue a "mystery illness". I have yet to read a website call Rossi's shoulder injury "pre op" a "mystery". And don't give me this about him getting an operation to prove anything, all of these guys go in for ops post season. Rossi's shoulder has been compared to Neil's as if all shoulder injuries are the same. Its just to give you guys some foder. Where are all the articles about wrist injuries? Did not Stoner have a severe wrist injury that wouldn't heal? They even had to put in a bone graft. Do you remember it? Well what I don't remember is "Stacy Moaner" telling us it hurt every five minutes, nor sympathetic pieces run on websites trying to garner some support. ...., they even had to change his riding position to accommodate the loss of mobility. Krop reported on that in 2010. But .... like that is non sensational, only Rossi's shoulder is, and it gets compared to ridiculous ..... Now am I hating? Is this slagging? If only bothers you guys cuz it reveals a double standard, that Rossi get all the sympathy when in fact all of these guys have injuries that bother them, that inflict pain and compromise strength. But you guys don't give it too much importance. Why? Aoyama broke his damn back, Bautista had an incision form here to China, and we are talking Rossi's shoulder. An injury that seemed to ebb and flow with results. Well now Pedro has one too, and if you guys are going to try and compare shoulder injuries, Pedro scored a podium with his. Ah, now what you guys gonna say? Not all shoulder injuries are created equal?

Esco, that's pretty rich, considering that you've participated in your fair share, you like Babel thought Stoner and TC was a match made in heaven, to say what exactly? You see boys, there is a saying, maybe you've heard of it: "There won't be nothin if you don't start nothin."

What do you guys want? You want intelligent debate? Like what? You want pages of debate like Rob only for two giants of the forum like Arrabi and Michael to basically tell him he's full of ....? (Only after Rob decided to pull out the Nazi card? Which was my cue to leave the thread cuz that just showed he was unstable, but Esco jumped to his rescue). What exactly do you guys want the forum to sound like? I'm game, but stick to your standard, not compromise it when .... doesn't go your way.

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