I thought he did ok for the first time on the beast. What I wanna know is how come no one points out to the haters that Rossi has won championships on diff bikes. If he doesnt win with the duc then that will be his first bike with no championship. Its still a very good ratio in my opinion. It's gonna be hard and like I said he's probably gonna need to watch some stoner videos. Anyways just replying to another thread. Gotta keep the haters on their toes. Hehe.
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just watched the race again.i've got the feeling there is another front running rider that is much more banged up,dani really looked like .... yesterday.if his injuries are really that bad (and lets face it,pedro breaks bones regulary) i wonder why he keeps so quiet about it.....fear?
its really a shame with all these injuries.why don't those guys just go go-karting or something where you don't break bones all the time and use the same machinery for at least a race or two,that way there wouldn't be these discussions
no really, broken bones ruin racing
get well dani,vale and everybody else.....
its really a shame with all these injuries.why don't those guys just go go-karting or something where you don't break bones all the time and use the same machinery for at least a race or two,that way there wouldn't be these discussions
no really, broken bones ruin racing
get well dani,vale and everybody else.....
this is the difference in the figures below and as ive said this before that vals w/c's have all come from jap teams and not like stoner who got a completely unconventional bike that didnt do anything until he rode it and he won the w/c ...stoner has to get the credit and please forget the excuses because stoner never had any…now its stoners time to get and be who he really should have been in 2009, 09, 10 & 11 and lets forget the ........ because stoner speaks with his riding now that he has a competitive unit that vals had Jorge has and dani has…lets see in 2011 how they fair…and I know what the outcome will be
2011 - 7th - 46 - Valentino ROSSI ITA Ducati Team Ducati (+16.431 off the pace) hahaaa
2007 – 2nd - 27 Casey STONER AUS Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati (+0.080)
The diff = 16.351 seconds ooohh but its vals shoulder sorry
Contradictions.. aren't they funny...
I dont think this guy watches enough to know the contradiction.
look lets cut through the BS for the past two pages with the die hard Rossi fans clutching at straws and posting ridiculous comments whilst Casey fans are quitly confident that finally he is on an equal bike all be it dani,s was exiting corners far better, possibly due to weight diff and traction control as Casey has stated always he likes the bike to move around under him.
Where there lies the issue that Rossi cant ride a bike that is unstable and prefers for it to sit on rails, tell me a rider that doesnt want that ! does that make a champ, def not... if you look at faces in the Duc camp pitcrew frustration is the norm, i imagine they are singing the song "you dont know what youve got till its gone" with regards to Casey, and thinking when is this superstar going to start earning his ridiculous pay cheque...
so far he hasnt impressed Ducati, hasnt impressed his fans (cmon admit it) hasnt impressed Nicky Hayden, hasnt impressed the media and critics, definately hasnt impressed Casey and most of all he himself clearly cant be happy with his lame achievements to date in testing and the race. And he certainly has dropped way down to the bottom of the ladder for me along side Marco melandri....
one last thing if the problem was truly the shoulder as he states then leave the bike alone as it was a race winning machine late last season, i can remember what Casey did to the field at Phillip island, you cant say that bike that day needed to be completely redesigned as JB will let you believe. Casey just grabbed it by the scruff of the neck and rode the wheels off it.
So clearly by rebuilding the bike its not his "shoulder" and its the bike he cant ride, just like Nicky, Marco and to a lesser extent Loris.
It wont be long that they will wheel out a red Yamaha and he will podium and the fans will go troppo, but just remember he wasnt good enough to ride it as a race winning bike and the princess made them build him a new one.....lol
Where there lies the issue that Rossi cant ride a bike that is unstable and prefers for it to sit on rails, tell me a rider that doesnt want that ! does that make a champ, def not... if you look at faces in the Duc camp pitcrew frustration is the norm, i imagine they are singing the song "you dont know what youve got till its gone" with regards to Casey, and thinking when is this superstar going to start earning his ridiculous pay cheque...
so far he hasnt impressed Ducati, hasnt impressed his fans (cmon admit it) hasnt impressed Nicky Hayden, hasnt impressed the media and critics, definately hasnt impressed Casey and most of all he himself clearly cant be happy with his lame achievements to date in testing and the race. And he certainly has dropped way down to the bottom of the ladder for me along side Marco melandri....
one last thing if the problem was truly the shoulder as he states then leave the bike alone as it was a race winning machine late last season, i can remember what Casey did to the field at Phillip island, you cant say that bike that day needed to be completely redesigned as JB will let you believe. Casey just grabbed it by the scruff of the neck and rode the wheels off it.
So clearly by rebuilding the bike its not his "shoulder" and its the bike he cant ride, just like Nicky, Marco and to a lesser extent Loris.
It wont be long that they will wheel out a red Yamaha and he will podium and the fans will go troppo, but just remember he wasnt good enough to ride it as a race winning bike and the princess made them build him a new one.....lol
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It is obvious there is a lot of payback happening and a lot of anti-Rossi sentiment flying around. It's just not worth arguing about.
What, you think Ducati is going to change colors when they roll out the Yamaduc.
did people complain of rossi turning the yamaha into a "hondaha" (i couldn't think of a better name lol)? yamaha was pretty ...... before he threw his legs over it and guided them in another direction...
is it such a bad thing that he's trying to make the duc a more rider friendly machine? every manufacture is pretty much striving for the same "on rails" handling...
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After decades of building engines and bikes that went against the norm, it would be blasphemy for Ducati to abandon their non conformist heritage and copy a Jap machine. Its not that big of deal for a Japanese company to copy another Japanese company, their machines mirror each other anyway.Ducati has based their entire existence on being different, will this be the turning point in their history, where they admit they have been following the wrong path of development. If they listen to JB and Rossi, they have no choice but to go towards a Japanese design on the engine and frame, thats what they know works.
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did not know ducati was basing their whole existence on "being different"...but are they too prideful to admit that what they have is innately flawed? or maybe there's a way to make the handling better on what they currently have...they gotta figure it out soon
did not know ducati was basing their whole existence on "being different"...but are they too prideful to admit that what they have is innately flawed? or maybe there's a way to make the handling better on what they currently have...they gotta figure it out soon
hey Im all for Rossi and ducati building the Honayamaduc. If you only have one rider (stoner) that can do a dam thing on the bike, you really should look at correcting the problem. So yes Stoner was a screamer on the bike, Im not denying that, but everyone else couldnt do much with it, inlcuding Rossi. I dont care what Ducati has to do, make the bike a true contender for the factory team and satillite teams, clearly it's not in its current state. So they tried CF and it didnt really work THAT well, so toss it, who cares. I hope for all the ducati riders, they make some solid progession forward.
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I agree with this, because it acknowledges some truths that others just won't accept. Btw, as I was reading this, I couldn't help but compare the difference between Ducati and Suzuki. It seems not only Suzuki accept failure as an option.
Even Casey stoner doesn't agree with this, I.e. He doesn't know what Rossi can do with the Ducati until his shoulder improves. People say ride through the pain, it's not pain that is the issue, it's a lack of strength. Not something that you can grit your teeth and push through.
EDIT:
I'm inserting the link to Casey's comments. Rossi Not Written Off Yet.
EDIT:
I'm inserting the link to Casey's comments. Rossi Not Written Off Yet.
Valli said himself he,s fine for a period of time then it becomes difficult to manhandle.
Dani was fighting for the lead till he couldnt anymore is this not possible for the great one.
Dani threw done great practice and quali times early in his sessions, is this not possible for the great one.
A true champ would ride through adversity and pull a miraculous top 2 or 3 finish on a bike that clearly isnt suited to him, only then will i
stand and applaud on an impressive effort.
Dani was fighting for the lead till he couldnt anymore is this not possible for the great one.
Dani threw done great practice and quali times early in his sessions, is this not possible for the great one.
A true champ would ride through adversity and pull a miraculous top 2 or 3 finish on a bike that clearly isnt suited to him, only then will i
stand and applaud on an impressive effort.
I agree with this post but I'll add a little more context.
A true champ can ride through adversity but not all adversity. Sometimes it doesn't matter how much willpower there is, it is out of their control. Why else would a champion who gets injured come back with results getting progressively better rather than straight to the top? Look at those who have suffered big injuries in Motogp - eg. Lorenzo, Rossi, Stoner (couldn't rise above the lactose intolerance).
If the true champ does miraculously come back and win then yes it is worth standing and applauding. I'm not applauding Rossi's 7th place as a win. It's the expected finish given the circumstances. If he knocked off Lorenzo I'd be applauding.
Racing With A Shoulder Injury: Kenny Noyes Speaks From Experience
Ever since Valentino Rossi joined Ducati, the burning question of just how competitive the Desmosedici GP11 is has been clouded by
Rossi's shoulder injury. The weakened shoulder - a result of training accident in which Rossi hyperextended his shoulder, fixed by surgery in November of 2010 - has made it very difficult to judge how fast Rossi could be on the bike if he could ride the Ducati unhampered by his shoulder. As a consequence, debate has raged among fans and pundits over how much or Rossi's deficit to put down to the shoulder, and how much to the bike.
Such shoulder injuries are relatively common in motorcycle racing - at Qatar, the list of riders recovering from post-season shoulder surgery was alarmingly long - as being thrown from a moving motorcycle at speed almost invariably causes some kind of damage to shoulders, arms and hands. Add to this the fact that the shoulder is one of the most complex joints in the body, and certainly the one with the largest range of motion, and you begin to understand just how big an effect a shoulder injury can have.
To gauge the extent to which a shoulder injury can slow a rider up, we spoke to Avintia-STX Moto2 rider Kenny Noyes at Qatar. The American had surgery on his shoulder at the beginning of December 2010. The operation, carried out by Dr Armengol, took a bone graft from Noyes' hip and placed it in the shoulder, to reinforce the ligament connection. The rear labrum ligament was broken, and the rest of the shoulder joint was unstable, and the surgery was aimed at restoring that stability. The injury is broadly similar to, though slightly more severe than the problem suffered by Valentino Rossi, and the repairs carried out are comparable.
Noyes' surgery was a success, but the problem is the period required to recuperate fully. Even for a sportsman such as Noyes, who is in outstanding physical conditions, the recovery will only be 100% complete some six months after surgery. Until then, Noyes has to deal with pain, weakness in the shoulder, and, most difficult of all, the sudden disappearance of strength in the joint once it becomes tired.
"My shoulder's painful, but you just grit your teeth and forget about it," Noyes told MotoMatters.com, "The worst thing's not the pain, though, it's the lack of strength; I can't make the bike change directions. I get to to the point where I want to flick the bike in, and it's like everything happens in slow motion, and I end up missing my apex."
The precise control that is needed to exploit the full potential of a racing motorcycle is just missing, as is the strength to correct mistakes. "It's hardest during qualifying, when you really want to push for an extra couple of tenths," Noyes explained. "You start to push the front, and normally you'd be able to catch it. With this injury, you can't save the front."
But racing, too, offers its own set of problems: "It's not so bad at first, but then the strength just goes in one go," Noyes said. "Qatar was the first time I've done more than 10 laps in a row on my shoulder, and it lets you know all about it."
The cancellation of the Japanese Grand Prix, scheduled for April 24th but now postponed to October 2nd, comes as a blessing in disguise for Noyes. Once the Jerez MotoGP round next weekend is out of the way, another month of recovery, doing stretching and light physical exercise to build up the mobility and strength in the joint, should see the American back to something near full fitness at the subsequent race at Estoril in the first week of May.
Whether a nine-time World Champion like Valentino Rossi or a relative newcomer to the MotoGP paddock like Kenny Noyes, a shoulder injury is not a trivial problem. Recovering fully requires surgical expertise and dedication in physical rehabilitation, but most of all, it requires time. This is not an injury where you step back on the bike and go racing again, now matter how many world titles you have to your name.
http://motomatters.c...kenny_noye.html
Ever since Valentino Rossi joined Ducati, the burning question of just how competitive the Desmosedici GP11 is has been clouded by
Rossi's shoulder injury. The weakened shoulder - a result of training accident in which Rossi hyperextended his shoulder, fixed by surgery in November of 2010 - has made it very difficult to judge how fast Rossi could be on the bike if he could ride the Ducati unhampered by his shoulder. As a consequence, debate has raged among fans and pundits over how much or Rossi's deficit to put down to the shoulder, and how much to the bike.
Such shoulder injuries are relatively common in motorcycle racing - at Qatar, the list of riders recovering from post-season shoulder surgery was alarmingly long - as being thrown from a moving motorcycle at speed almost invariably causes some kind of damage to shoulders, arms and hands. Add to this the fact that the shoulder is one of the most complex joints in the body, and certainly the one with the largest range of motion, and you begin to understand just how big an effect a shoulder injury can have.
To gauge the extent to which a shoulder injury can slow a rider up, we spoke to Avintia-STX Moto2 rider Kenny Noyes at Qatar. The American had surgery on his shoulder at the beginning of December 2010. The operation, carried out by Dr Armengol, took a bone graft from Noyes' hip and placed it in the shoulder, to reinforce the ligament connection. The rear labrum ligament was broken, and the rest of the shoulder joint was unstable, and the surgery was aimed at restoring that stability. The injury is broadly similar to, though slightly more severe than the problem suffered by Valentino Rossi, and the repairs carried out are comparable.
Noyes' surgery was a success, but the problem is the period required to recuperate fully. Even for a sportsman such as Noyes, who is in outstanding physical conditions, the recovery will only be 100% complete some six months after surgery. Until then, Noyes has to deal with pain, weakness in the shoulder, and, most difficult of all, the sudden disappearance of strength in the joint once it becomes tired.
"My shoulder's painful, but you just grit your teeth and forget about it," Noyes told MotoMatters.com, "The worst thing's not the pain, though, it's the lack of strength; I can't make the bike change directions. I get to to the point where I want to flick the bike in, and it's like everything happens in slow motion, and I end up missing my apex."
The precise control that is needed to exploit the full potential of a racing motorcycle is just missing, as is the strength to correct mistakes. "It's hardest during qualifying, when you really want to push for an extra couple of tenths," Noyes explained. "You start to push the front, and normally you'd be able to catch it. With this injury, you can't save the front."
But racing, too, offers its own set of problems: "It's not so bad at first, but then the strength just goes in one go," Noyes said. "Qatar was the first time I've done more than 10 laps in a row on my shoulder, and it lets you know all about it."
The cancellation of the Japanese Grand Prix, scheduled for April 24th but now postponed to October 2nd, comes as a blessing in disguise for Noyes. Once the Jerez MotoGP round next weekend is out of the way, another month of recovery, doing stretching and light physical exercise to build up the mobility and strength in the joint, should see the American back to something near full fitness at the subsequent race at Estoril in the first week of May.
Whether a nine-time World Champion like Valentino Rossi or a relative newcomer to the MotoGP paddock like Kenny Noyes, a shoulder injury is not a trivial problem. Recovering fully requires surgical expertise and dedication in physical rehabilitation, but most of all, it requires time. This is not an injury where you step back on the bike and go racing again, now matter how many world titles you have to your name.
http://motomatters.c...kenny_noye.html
