Rossi shoulder....

That excuse is pretty lame. I remember Schwantz crashing at Assen and of course breaking his wrist, had it pinned or plated overnight and won the race the next day.



This is a real man!

ok these threads are taking the piss now, you could have asked this in the rossi's legacy tainted BS thread.



you guys are being way to quick out of the gate how the hell do you know its an excuse???????????.... whats next.... when did rossi cut his toenails thread?



or even a



ROSSI LUNCHTIME



what did vale really eat for dinner?



rossi is no doubt italy's biggest pasta eater, no question. So why does he keeping telling lies about this when he was seen running from the kitchen with a plate of bacon and egg's?

experts say he thought it was an egg and spoon race......

jazkat said:

ok these threads are taking the piss now, you could have asked this in the rossi's legacy tainted BS thread.



you guys are being way to quick out of the gate how the hell do you know its an excuse???????????.... whats next.... when did rossi cut his toenails thread?



or even a



ROSSI LUNCHTIME



what did vale really eat for dinner?



rossi is no doubt italy's biggest pasta eater, no question. So why does he keeping telling lies about this when he was seen running from the kitchen with a plate of bacon and egg's?

experts say he thought it was an egg and spoon race......

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sorry jaz. its just going to be this way while your man struggles. some of the stoner fans had to deal with more (for a few years i might add) than what you're dealing with now. i'm sure VR will come good in the next few months, but i think the truth hurts. someone is better at adapting to bikes than your guy. VR has had to be the "man" at all times, and everyone needs to listen to him. only then can the bike be good enough for a championship.



well. we'll see who is the better rider now won't we? while i like casey, i've been a huge spies fan over the years. and unfortunately a kaw guy. not much to root for in GP, but i have enjoyed some success in supercross, late AMA, and WSS.

I do believe that Rossi is the "consummate marketing acquisition", as all MGP rider must be to a fair extent.



As such he would be very wary of passing too much blame directly too the Ducati.





Perhaps the "shoulder talk" is part of that, hence I think we need to take the shoulder talk as perhaps subterfuge, and perhaps honorable subterfuge at that.

After all how many times after a front end migration, and subsequent crash, did we hear Stoner take the blame.



Seems common practice to "not blame the tools", but for the operator to take the blame.



The shoulder may be an excuse, but not necessarily as dishonorable an excuse as some may think.



Just watch the riding/races and admire when they do good and it will all feel better.













I'd question your "he is the GOAT" theory though

Even though ive read Rossi quantify in lap time tenths, im not so sure it can be done that way. He would know better, but my gut feeling is it doesnt seem quantifiable. Anyway, i don't doubt at one time it bothered him, but the constant pointing to the shoulder seems a bit contrived (in my BIAS view). I'd make a deal with every Rossi fan, if we r to believe Rossi at face value then i'd propose we believe Stoner at face value and never again hear he faked or exaggerated his illness. Deal?

I never thought stoner faked or exaggerated his illness. I just thought he was a ..... for complaining about a tummy ache. Maybe Rossi needs a fishing trip.

woody996 said:

I never thought stoner faked or exaggerated his illness. I just thought he was a ..... for complaining about a tummy ache. Maybe Rossi needs a fishing trip.

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Now you are talking!!! that would man him up!!

BarryMachine said:

Now you are talking!!! that would man him up!!

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yeah and if the found out the ....... lied about the shoulder id kick him in the lake

i don't like rossi saying "my shoulder is costing me x seconds"..but i'm sure his shoulder still bothers him...with that said, him at 100% wouldn't be able to match the honda pace at this point in my opinion

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yeah and if the found out the ....... lied about the shoulder id kick him in the lake

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Agreed, I don't want to be fed .........

Woods, Jaz, u got me rolling. Hahaha!

Preditcion: Melandri = Fail: Correct

Prediction: Hayden = Fail: Correct

Prediction: Rossi = Fail: So far correct



TOLD YOU SO

double

Jumkie said:

I'd make a deal with every Rossi fan, if we r to believe Rossi at face value then i'd propose we believe Stoner at face value and never again hear he faked or exaggerated his illness. Deal?

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Exactly my view. I am sure both are/were genuine. It could be said that valentino is mentioning the shoulder injury at least as much as stoner mentioned his wrist though .

jazkat said:

ok these threads are taking the piss now, you could have asked this in the rossi's legacy tainted BS thread.



you guys are being way to quick out of the gate how the hell do you know its an excuse???????????.... whats next.... when did rossi cut his toenails thread?

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I don't doubt for a second Rossi's shoulder isn't quite right, or that it slows him down to some extent but he mentions it every single day. It's also a little hard to take when he presents arbitrary figures for how much time its costing him, changing wildly from day to day and track to track and often correlating with how far behind the leaders he is. It's just silly, where are the same figures for Pedrosa or Cal Crutchlow?

Tom said:

I don't doubt for a second Rossi's shoulder isn't quite right, or that it slows him down to some extent but he mentions it every single day. It's also a little hard to take when he presents arbitrary figures for how much time its costing him, changing wildly from day to day and track to track and often correlating with how far behind the leaders he is. It's just silly, where are the same figures for Pedrosa or Cal Crutchlow?

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I must admit that is exactly what doesn't sit right with me at the moment as well. Rossi has a fantastic record, he doesn't need to be carrying on iike this, unless he geniunely feels under pressure having bitten off a bigger challenge than he or JB anticpiated. How can he arbitrarily attribute on a session by session basis, excatly how many tenths his shoulder is costing him, and as you say, it seems to be changing from day to day. How could he know exactly what time he is capable of on the Ducati, he's never ridden it to the limit yet, to then be able to accurately quantify the loss in tenths by his shoulder. It's just not a logical proposition.



Those of us that aren't one eyed supporters of one rider or the other, and appreciate the sport for what it is, can't help but view Rossi's current PR tactics with a level of scepticism, and that I think is what we're seeing come through in some of these posts.



Rossi's latest statement that it's costing him 7 tenths in QP (see other topic comparing 2010 Qatar laptimes) would conveniently drop him fractionally below Stoner's 2010 QP time on the Ducati - merely a coincidence, or in fact is that a reasonable expectation of exactly where he should be on a bike that has undergone a season's and a winter's evolution since then? Probably gives us a good insight into Rossi's mindset at present, and where he thinks he needs to be (ie, bettering Stoner on the same bike).



We all know his shoulder will recover soon, and for me the sooner the better, so we don't have to have these hypothetical debates.

Tekniqs said:

i don't like rossi saying "my shoulder is costing me x seconds"..but i'm sure his shoulder still bothers him...with that said, him at 100% wouldn't be able to match the honda pace at this point in my opinion

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Rossi said last night his shoulder was costing him half a second, and Honda's gearbox is costing him four tenths. That leaves him 0.6 down on Stoner.

Kropotkin said:

Rossi said last night his shoulder was costing him half a second, and Honda's gearbox is costing him four tenths. That leaves him 0.6 down on Stoner.

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for now! if stoner or god forbid lorenzo find a couple of tenths the shoulder will get much worse of course.too pathetic to be called the goat anymore...

cliché guevara said:

for now! if stoner or god forbid lorenzo find a couple of tenths the shoulder will get much worse of course.too pathetic to be called the goat anymore...

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And all this by a man whos interests include: "smoking weed" and there favorite track is: "the local kart track"

He must be right then?