I was obviously talking about his public statements. He never actually appeared before the CAS.
Should avoid Jums huh? I'll keep it in mind.
BTW are there any other popular MotoGP forums and the like about too?
BTW are there any other popular MotoGP forums and the like about too?
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None that you can speak freely. But if you're a Rossi apologist (not saying you are) there are many to choose from.
If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
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Who gives a flying fu*k about parties that you have no chance of being invited to anyway ?:mask:
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Rossi: "I paid too much for last year"
Speak for yourself. It's a chance the get the dodgy black suits, shades and trilbies on [emoji1]
Speak for yourself. It's a chance the get the dodgy black suits, shades and trilbies on [emoji1]
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I was invited to the Indy one (after every GP they have a smash up). But I chose to carpool with a buddy to St. Lousy. Worse decision ever. I could have partied with the Monster girls.
If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
None aside from those populated by Rossi apologists? Pity.
What I'd really like to do is avoid slanging matches. They're repetitive, annoying and ultimately pointless.
A pleasant discussion with MichaelM here went downhill in the blink of eye.
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I didn't think it went downhill at all. In fact I was actually quite surprised it carried on in such a civil, informative, intelligently argued manner. Don't go looking for other forums, I think you found a home. Unless you'd like to stay in a comfort zone. Most all the other forums will bubble wrap you if you defend Rossi. But if you want robust testing of your theories, without the looming north Korean treatment, you've come to the right place.
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I don't know but hey, if you had just won your third world title for a manufacturer, it's third in 6 years and your championship celebrations were cancelled because of the feelings or actions of another, that is not minor victimisation but a clear cut public display of power and who is the number 1 in the eyes of those responsible for the party.
Sure, some may see it as minor but I will bet my house (only small but still), wife (she goes ok for an old girl), dog (you want loyalty, he is more loyal than most), cars (admittedly shitboxes) and bike (new but not a sports bike) that WHEN (if?) Rossi wins his tenth there will be no party cancelled no matter what, hell I can see Carmelo Ezpeleta being drunk by the time the podium finishes as he counts the millions.
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Nothing in this thread or your discussion went downhill, if/when you want downhill reference a race thread or any thread that displays or comments on questionable actions by (as an example only here minions) Rossi.
They go downhill really fast when some oft he crash refugees appear
You make your points effectively and in a civilised manner, but perhaps unsurprisingly I don't completely agree.
Jorge is nothing if not bloody-minded as riding a premier class GP bike race competitively 2 days after fracturing a clavicle and having it plated demonstrated. If Valentino thought he had been screwed out of 3 or 7 points at PI, Jorge I imagine would have strongly (and more correctly imo) felt the potential existed for him to be screwed out of a championship by points illicitly gained by Valentino, and then even the probably lenient penalty Rossi did receive being rescinded by legalistic means external to the sport. If he chose to object and deal with the consequences from Yamaha I applaud him as a fan, and he is dealing with the consequences with no recriminations toward Yamaha thus far. I also understand Yamaha's attitude but in no way does this make Jorge the guilty party as many have attempted to paint him. If Valentino doesn't ride illegally in the first place there is no penalty to appeal, if he makes no appeal similarly there is nothing to discuss, and any effort on the part of Valentino's crew which went to waste was also a consequence of Valentino's actions in taking out MM, not down to Jorge at all; I am not aware Jorge was making any moves towards having Rossi disqualified in any case. As others have said, while I guess it should have been no surprise to anyone that he would try any legal or quasi-legal avenues available, Valentino to many other than his fans, including I would guess Jorge Lorenzo, was trying to weasel out, by legal means external to the sport, of what was the minimum penalty he could have gotten for the offence.
Money is important to these guys but not the only thing, as Casey Stoner has shown, and Jorge has rejected big money offers before including from Ducati.
I have to say I don't think Jorge has shown complete loyalty after Yamaha made a large decision in pretty much committing to him as their future in 2010, he has dallied with other teams previously since then, and perhaps Yamaha may have shown him more loyalty if he had shown them same.
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Really? Moral outrage over Yamaha cancelling their celebrations and how Lorenzos feelings because of that?
I couldn't care less had they cancelled Rossis party had the result been different, that doesn't affect me at all. Actually I would've probably figured it made sense with how the season ended. As to what Rossi would've felt, not sure don't know the guy, maybe also understanding considering the situation, maybe just laughed it off, maybe he would've arranged his own party or a second party to offset that, maybe he would've been pissed enough to want Lorenzo fired at the spot. All possibilities.
I couldn't care less had they cancelled Rossis party had the result been different, that doesn't affect me at all. Actually I would've probably figured it made sense with how the season ended. As to what Rossi would've felt, not sure don't know the guy, maybe also understanding considering the situation, maybe just laughed it off, maybe he would've arranged his own party or a second party to offset that, maybe he would've been pissed enough to want Lorenzo fired at the spot. All possibilities.
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You don't get it do you Genius? It isn't about whether you, or I, or JPS or Jumkie or anyone else was affected by it. JORGE LORENZO was affected by it. He busts his ... all year to win his third title (and Yamaha's, the only rider to win for them since 2009) and he is completely disrespected by his team so that they don't offend the other rider.
Are you saying if you busted your ... at your job, and your co-worker got a promotion over you so the company didn't offend him, that you wouldn't be pissed off but more importantly, feel completely undervalued?
Are you saying if you busted your ... at your job, and your co-worker got a promotion over you so the company didn't offend him, that you wouldn't be pissed off but more importantly, feel completely undervalued?
Hmm... it seems the after-season party was cancelled by the team's sponsor (i.e Movistar) rather than Yamaha.
Movistar suspende la fiesta del título que iba a organizar en Madrid
And they do seem to have tried their best to retain Lorenzo this year. Lin Jarvis for one believes it came down to money, competitive bike and No.1 status. All valid incentives to migrate.
Why Jorge Lorenzo Left Yamaha For Ducati
13 races into this season, I haven't heard about any issues between Jorge and Yamaha in the paddock.
Movistar suspende la fiesta del título que iba a organizar en Madrid
And they do seem to have tried their best to retain Lorenzo this year. Lin Jarvis for one believes it came down to money, competitive bike and No.1 status. All valid incentives to migrate.
Why Jorge Lorenzo Left Yamaha For Ducati
13 races into this season, I haven't heard about any issues between Jorge and Yamaha in the paddock.
To be fair though, if he hadn't busted his ... all year and had finished every race say... fifth or lower, Yamaha would have still won both the Team as well as the Manufacturer championships, albeit by smaller margins.
Yamaha continues to insist that it treats the two riders at par and thus far there is little evidence to suggest that that isn't the case (over the recent past at least).
The one thing Lorenzo could justifiably complain about is Yamaha not sticking up for him earlier in the season by telling Rossi to put a cork in it when he started spinning a conspiracy yarn.
That's assuming he did complain to Yamaha about it. If not, Yamaha probably figured the verbal BS would just roll off Lorenzo's back. It certainly didn't affect his racing. Or maybe it did... he was faster than ever over the second half of the season.
Agreed.
Not by itself no. But it would big incentive; the final part of the equation (the competitiveness of the bike being first and foremost factor).
Could be. Though I suspect the availability of some promising new riders would have had a greater impact on the cost-benefit analysis done by Yamaha before making their pitch to Lorenzo in March.
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