Rossi changing riding style for Ducati

Mick D said:

Say wot? You've never seen Rossi back in a 500 smoker, a 990 or an 800 at PI and other select venues? Did you have a brain fart there or was the chronic especially good dude? EDIT> OK maybe its MY chronic... AR's post clears my brain and I back slowly out of the conversation...

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whoa dude, of course i've seen rossi on the old strokers and the 990s



neither brain fart nor claiming to know it all ,i'm just expressing my impression that rossi slides it mostly on corner exit whereas from the current top riders stoner and hayden come to my mind when it comes to getting it sideways very early on, no need to be rude

but yes,chronics always good,glad you've asked

Well..... from what Rossi says that the Ducati has trouble turning through the corners and has to be ridden in a certain way. This means the Ducati's rear end has to become loose before entering the corner so that the Duc can be pointed into a turn instead of gripping it's way all throughout the turn. If this is the case then the tires will certainly play a huge part in how the Ducati performs. Ducati or should I say Rossi won't have 'special' tires made especially for him anymore so the only option left is for the Ducati to design a bike that works well with the tires. The fundamental flaw is the chassis itself, everyone and their mother's know that....... Ducati just can not figure out how to design such a chassis that can actually turn on it's own without having the rider to manipulate it in such a way that it has to be ridden like a bucking bronco in order for the package to work.

SuperShinya56 said:

Well..... from what Rossi says that the Ducati has trouble turning through the corners and has to be ridden in a certain way. This means the Ducati's rear end has to become loose before entering the corner so that the Duc can be pointed into a turn instead of gripping it's way all throughout the turn. If this is the case then the tires will certainly play a huge part in how the Ducati performs. Ducati or should I say Rossi won't have 'special' tires made especially for him anymore so the only option left is for the Ducati to design a bike that works well with the tires. The fundamental flaw is the chassis itself, everyone and their mother's know that....... Ducati just can not figure out how to design such a chassis that can actually turn on it's own without having the rider to manipulate it in such a way that it has to be ridden like a bucking bronco in order for the package to work.

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Spot on! Let's see, Fogarty and Bayliss were Ducati's two best riders and both rode it like a bunking bronco!

Geonerd said:

All this sliding talk may be missing the point.



It seems that last year's Duc understeered badly getting INTO the corners. Casey's critical point occurred at the very end of the trail braking zone, as the bike transitioned to steady-state cornering. That's supposedly where the bike offers the most vague feedback, and where VR and the other Duc riders seem most uncomfortable. That's also where Stoner was either making time ... or crashing. What Rossi calls 'understeer' is just a lack of faith on the rider's part! "Drive that ..... in there ya big wimp! It'll stick!" (You hope....)



Once past mid corner, with the bike picked up a little, it's safe to drift the rear on the way out. Even Rossi can do that.

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+1 ,had the exact same thoughts but the language barrier kept me from mentioning



as for what barry called rossis showcase slides:



i think most bikers will agree that both , "kid skidding" in the breaking zone and sliding out of the corner are things that can be done with enough practice and in safe conditions where as if you want so slide it into the corner you either have to have absolutly supreme riding skills ,a style that is compatible with getting it sideways early on,and a lot of faith in yourself.

i can certainly tell the one or two times that my rear let go unintentionally into the corner i almost pissed my pants because in my mind, that is falling without crashing.

now elevate that to motogp level and you'll get that only a couple of guys are both, capable and comfortable approaching a corner like that.hence my admiration of especially stoner



as long as the duc is not capable of tight smooth cornering like for example the yamaha, you have to ride around it and find other ways to get it turned (aggressive throttle use, back brake or whatever stoner does exactly), and i can't wait to see the master of smooth riding and consistency walking on a rope

BHarvey said:

Spot on! Let's see, Fogarty and Bayliss were Ducati's two best riders and both rode it like a bunking bronco!

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i guess you meant capirossi,he could slide the desmo only too beautiful

BHarvey said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhFYYa6v0K8&feature=related

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No matter how often this gets posted, I never get tired of watching it.

cliché guevara said:

where as if you want so slide it into the corner you either have to have absolutly supreme riding skills ,a style that is compatible with getting it sideways early on,and a lot of faith in yourself.

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This is where Stoner got that from:

http://www.caseystoner.com.au/process.php?image=1163743659&type=main



No brakes slowing down for corners is all done with throttle and throwing the bike sideways .......... it is indeed a leap of faith to do it ...... and look at the age he learned it ( I believe McCoy also came from a childhood background in this as well )



Rossi needs to have spent the off season on one of those ........ no brakes. Though it seems odd to be realizing that for all that effort in practice perhaps 20 years ago when he was say 10 .......... it would get him the 2 seconds he is behind today

I am sure the Ducati masked Stoner's true level of talent.

Here is a cool video too. DUCATI 2011



I hope they do well, as you know I'll be rooting for Nicky! They are certainly the most beautiful bikes on the grid.

Funny Thing......Rossi is consistently Quicker than Stoner was on the Duck already......



Rossi now has to make up a second though the corners due a wonderful Gearbox from the Big H. Simple fact, everyone including the current world Champ on the all-conquering M1 only made minimal/usual gains.



Boners are just on there high-horse and completely full of .... as usual, I especially love the fuckwits who feel they can explain how a motogp bike can understeer and how Rossi should ride it properly!!! Must be fun living in a world so deluded...... OMG

'Yeah I know, I've seen the bike on TV, and the closest I got was a pit walk and my binoculars!! But I know better than the 9 time champ!! ....... hilarious!



This re-invents the term 'Armchair Critic' We need to add something 'Boner Armchair Critic'......I'm sure even Casey would be pissing himself reading some a .... you guys post!!

gui22a said:

The funny part is Rossi bashing his haters and his rivals.



Wtf, I though Valentino had mature enough to deal with this things. Why the hell he has to talk bout it?



Well, let's gave Vale a chance, but I would like to refresh him that Troy Bailys got the damn bike one time (2006 - when Gibernau crashed), and after so many months off Motogp, he win the race. All that 37~38 years old.



Rossi has no excuses this time.

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"Rossi has no excuses this time"

Let's wait until the shoulder is healed

My bet is he'll move up to the podium

Talpa said:

Funny Thing......Rossi is consistently Quicker than Stoner was on the Duck already......



Rossi now has to make up a second though the corners due a wonderful Gearbox from the Big H. Simple fact, everyone including the current world Champ on the all-conquering M1 only made minimal/usual gains.



Boners are just on there high-horse and completely full of .... as usual, I especially love the fuckwits who feel they can explain how a motogp bike can understeer and how Rossi should ride it properly!!! Must be fun living in a world so deluded......

OMG

'Yeah I know, I've seen the bike on TV, and the closest I got was a pit walk and my binoculars!! But I know better than the 9 time champ!! ....... hilarious!

This re-invents the term 'Armchair Critic'

We need to add something 'Boner Armchair Critic'......I'm sure even Casey would be pissing himself reading some a .... you guys post!!

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Talpa - great post

Just think about how many potential World Champions contribute in the forum - if only they all had MotoGP bikes, money, sponsors, half as much riding and sliding skill as they have ability to write crap - there'd be 50 or more bikes on the grid. Holy .... and the armchair understeers into a massive drift to pass the couch in T3, six pack ecu tuning - holy crap they'd have to introduce 10 man podiums.

ptk50 said:

"Rossi has no excuses this time"

Let's wait until the shoulder is healed

My bet is he'll move up to the podium

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When your as used to being on top of the podium as Rossi, a move 'UP' to the podium is a big step backwards.



If he has the skills everyone thinks he has, then there is no need to change the bike.



Hell, some here feel as though Stoner is such a lousy rider that if he can win on the Duck, then a caliber of Rossi like talent should have no problem smoking everyone's ....

Talpa said:

Funny Thing......Rossi is consistently Quicker than Stoner was on the Duck already......



Rossi now has to make up a second though the corners due a wonderful Gearbox from the Big H. Simple fact, everyone including the current world Champ on the all-conquering M1 only made minimal/usual gains.



Boners are just on there high-horse and completely full of .... as usual, I especially love the fuckwits who feel they can explain how a motogp bike can understeer and how Rossi should ride it properly!!! Must be fun living in a world so deluded......

OMG

'Yeah I know, I've seen the bike on TV, and the closest I got was a pit walk and my binoculars!! But I know better than the 9 time champ!! ....... hilarious!

This re-invents the term 'Armchair Critic'

We need to add something 'Boner Armchair Critic'......I'm sure even Casey would be pissing himself reading some a .... you guys post!!

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THIS POST IS TYPICAL OF YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS HERE.



Its looking bad for Rossi in 2011, so the ever-faithful, blinkered fan does the only thing left..........lash out at the messengers. There is quite a lot of pent-up disgruntlement from Stoner fans from years of unfair assessment of Stoners abilities, and finally, with Rossi struggling, it's being all let out and seems a bit overwhelming and unfair. For many of us, this is a cathartic moment, when the great one struggles on the machine Casey mastered. When there can be no longer no doubt that not only was it not true that Casey had a machine advantage in 2007, but that his overall results were quite amazing considering the machine DISADVANTAGE he had over the past four years. Theres a bit of schadenfreude going on, but its difficult not to indulge because its been a long time coming. Be a man and take it as we have for years.

Bunyip said:

THIS POST IS TYPICAL OF YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS HERE.



Its looking bad for Rossi in 2011, so the ever-faithful, blinkered fan does the only thing left..........lash out at the messengers. There is quite a lot of pent-up disgruntlement from Stoner fans from years of unfair assessment of Stoners abilities, and finally, with Rossi struggling, it's being all let out and seems a bit overwhelming and unfair. For many of us, this is a cathartic moment, when the great one struggles on the machine Casey mastered. When there can be no longer no doubt that not only was it not true that Casey had a machine advantage in 2007, but that his overall results were quite amazing considering the machine DISADVANTAGE he had over the past four years. Theres a bit of schadenfreude going on, but its difficult not to indulge because its been a long time coming. Be a man and take it as we have for years.

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2011 season hasn't start yet.. we're about to find out the answer

Bunyip said:

THIS POST IS TYPICAL OF YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS HERE.



Its looking bad for Rossi in 2011, so the ever-faithful, blinkered fan does the only thing left..........lash out at the messengers. There is quite a lot of pent-up disgruntlement from Stoner fans from years of unfair assessment of Stoners abilities, and finally, with Rossi struggling, it's being all let out and seems a bit overwhelming and unfair. For many of us, this is a cathartic moment, when the great one struggles on the machine Casey mastered. When there can be no longer no doubt that not only was it not true that Casey had a machine advantage in 2007, but that his overall results were quite amazing considering the machine DISADVANTAGE he had over the past four years. Theres a bit of schadenfreude going on, but its difficult not to indulge because its been a long time coming. Be a man and take it as we have for years.

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well this takes the term '........' to all new levels, we have some new benchmarks here......Are you going to tell me about the intricacies of a motogp bikes capacity to understeer some more as well?





Who says Rossi is struggling? Only the Haters and Boners. As I said hes already quicker than your 'master' was. All I'm pointing out is the fact that your 'letting out' from a pre-season test result is so pre-mature its beyond funny.....I suggest, that most with intelligence would wait until Stoner actually wins the title before revealing in invented cathartic moments

BHarvey said:

When your as used to being on top of the podium as Rossi, a move 'UP' to the podium is a big step backwards.



If he has the skills everyone thinks he has, then there is no need to change the bike.



Hell, some here feel as though Stoner is such a lousy rider that if he can win on the Duck, then a caliber of Rossi like talent should have no problem smoking everyone's ....

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Excellent!



Stoner won a few races in 2010, but that's only because the Duc was so good. Like today, the Honda is the best, hence, Stoner on top of time charts.

Talpa said:

well this takes the term '........' to all new levels, we have some new benchmarks here......Are you going to tell me about the intricacies of a motogp bikes capacity to understeer some more as well?





Who says Rossi is struggling? Only the Haters and Boners. As I said hes already quicker than your 'master' was. All I'm pointing out is the fact that your 'letting out' from a pre-season test result is so pre-mature its beyond funny.....I suggest, that most with intelligence would wait until Stoner actually wins the title before revealing in invented cathartic moments

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11th place in testng says Rossi is struggling - I am neither a hater or a "boner". What say you now?. He may be quicker then Stoners time in testing last year (haven't bothered checking), but the bikes move on. Not saying he'll be ..... all season - I expect Rssi to improve.



Stoner faster than Pedrosa on a machine he's put very few laps on ( in comparison to DP) does not a WC make, but it does look rather compelling.

Bunyip said:

THIS POST IS TYPICAL OF YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS HERE.



Its looking bad for Rossi in 2011, so the ever-faithful, blinkered fan does the only thing left..........lash out at the messengers. There is quite a lot of pent-up disgruntlement from Stoner fans from years of unfair assessment of Stoners abilities, and finally, with Rossi struggling, it's being all let out and seems a bit overwhelming and unfair. For many of us, this is a cathartic moment, when the great one struggles on the machine Casey mastered. When there can be no longer no doubt that not only was it not true that Casey had a machine advantage in 2007, but that his overall results were quite amazing considering the machine DISADVANTAGE he had over the past four years. Theres a bit of schadenfreude going on, but its difficult not to indulge because its been a long time coming. Be a man and take it as we have for years.

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Enjoy it Bunny. Hopefully it will be the gift that keeps on giving all year.