Rossi changing riding style for Ducati
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Well lets hope he can pull it off, it will be hard not seeing that thing slide around the corners this year if he doesn't. Then in the end I guess they are planning on changing it too.
Wasn't there a vid recently of Vale practicing some dirt track ( not motocross ), he's already on the right path at least.
Wasn't there a vid recently of Vale practicing some dirt track ( not motocross ), he's already on the right path at least.
The funny part is Rossi bashing his haters and his rivals.
Wtf, I though Valentino had mature enough to deal with this things. Why the hell he has to talk bout it?
Well, let's gave Vale a chance, but I would like to refresh him that Troy Bailys got the damn bike one time (2006 - when Gibernau crashed), and after so many months off Motogp, he win the race. All that 37~38 years old.
Rossi has no excuses this time.
Wtf, I though Valentino had mature enough to deal with this things. Why the hell he has to talk bout it?
Well, let's gave Vale a chance, but I would like to refresh him that Troy Bailys got the damn bike one time (2006 - when Gibernau crashed), and after so many months off Motogp, he win the race. All that 37~38 years old.
Rossi has no excuses this time.
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meh I think folk just expect .... to come out of Rossi's mouth, even moreso since he went to Ducati and says one thing one day then contradicts it the next. Folk are used to it ..... thats if he even said it ...... meh we got our answers when Rossi first stepped onto the Duc. and rode like a blinder ( thats as in rode it like he was a blind man as distinct from a real "blinder" )
Those type of comments are all just the prattle of frustration .......
The real story is in the style change thingo
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Cringe!
Large egos often tend to be surprisingly fragile. The last 3 paragraphs are slightly confused, and perhaps there's a bit of mis-translation going on, but Valentino's view of the world sounds about as polarized and simplistic as that of his 'Bopper' fans. When a person has a hard time understanding why someone might not like them (e.g. incapable of recognizing their shortcomings), they are probably a little too far lost in themselves!
Large egos often tend to be surprisingly fragile. The last 3 paragraphs are slightly confused, and perhaps there's a bit of mis-translation going on, but Valentino's view of the world sounds about as polarized and simplistic as that of his 'Bopper' fans. When a person has a hard time understanding why someone might not like them (e.g. incapable of recognizing their shortcomings), they are probably a little too far lost in themselves!
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Bopper and Boner war in the making here.
Look I know I'm unashamedly trolling
But I have to say
STONER ISN'T HAVING PROBLEMS ADAPTING TO THE HONDA NOW IS HE?
There, got it out.
On a serious note Valentino says a couple of things. He talks about the Max, Giblet and now Stoner fan base. Nasty boy Vale, trying to heap Stoner fans in this those two. I always like Max but seriously rated Giblets as a great big sook.
He points out that it doesn't turn, and that he has to slide it. Casey has (like) 70+ backing it in (flat track) titles, although some of those were really just state titles in juniors and the like, but he got them nonetheless. He is a multiple Australian Champ. It's funny to see a mention of Vale flat tracking, because he is going to need to turn himself inside out learning how to really back it in to get a handle on the cantankerous pig of a bike.
I still don't write Rossi off, but it has to be hard for an old dog to learn new tricks.
Look I know I'm unashamedly trolling
But I have to say
STONER ISN'T HAVING PROBLEMS ADAPTING TO THE HONDA NOW IS HE?
There, got it out.
On a serious note Valentino says a couple of things. He talks about the Max, Giblet and now Stoner fan base. Nasty boy Vale, trying to heap Stoner fans in this those two. I always like Max but seriously rated Giblets as a great big sook.
He points out that it doesn't turn, and that he has to slide it. Casey has (like) 70+ backing it in (flat track) titles, although some of those were really just state titles in juniors and the like, but he got them nonetheless. He is a multiple Australian Champ. It's funny to see a mention of Vale flat tracking, because he is going to need to turn himself inside out learning how to really back it in to get a handle on the cantankerous pig of a bike.
I still don't write Rossi off, but it has to be hard for an old dog to learn new tricks.
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Rossi can slide a bike. I wouldn't write him off.
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of course he can on corner exit, but i've never seen him slide it on the corner entry to get the bike turned before the apex in the manner stoner does it regulary
from my fan point of view that is what makes stoner special,his ability to slide it into the corner and i can't recall rossi riding like that ,ever.
this is just what i was hoping for for years, not a yamacati but rossi being forced to ride hard
the only thing that bums me out is that hayden seems to be the last rider that uses the rear brake to get it sideways before the corner ,yet rossi seems to run faster than him (edit : that is dealing better with what he calls understeer issues)
Hey BM , why not write nicky and tell him how to back it in correctly...
Andy, did you watch phillip island 09 ? if not go and watch that race and you will get your answer
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Andy, did you watch phillip island 09 ? if not go and watch that race and you will get your answer
that was one of the best races ever, seeing stoner and rossi slide it lap after lap was pure poetry
i'm watching it right now, but again , i only see rossi on corner exit sliding it and from what i've come to understand the turning into the corner is the difficult thing with the desmo
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Andy, did you watch phillip island 09 ? if not go and watch that race and you will get your answer
I was there, I posted a heap of pics of the forum at the time.
I froze my ring off (wedding ring that turned out to be), I got vicious sunburn in '08.
Stoner would slide the bike through the last two turns (after Lukey Heights) onto the Main Straight as one single uninterrupted slide.
No one else did,
I saw and I have the answer
Rossi can slide a bike, just not like Stoner can
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Say wot? You've never seen Rossi back in a 500 smoker, a 990 or an 800 at PI and other select venues? Did you have a brain fart there or was the chronic especially good dude? EDIT> OK maybe its MY chronic... AR's post clears my brain and I back slowly out of the conversation...
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Hey BM , why not write nicky and tell him how to back it in correctly...
Something tells me Nicky knows what do do .... on many a corner too
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of course he can on corner exit, but i've never seen him slide it on the corner entry to get the bike turned before the apex in the manner stoner does it regulary
from my fan point of view that is what makes stoner special,his ability to slide it into the corner and i can't recall rossi riding like that ,ever.
this is just what i was hoping for for years, not a yamacati but rossi being forced to ride hard
the only thing that bums me out is that hayden seems to be the last rider that uses the rear brake to get it sideways before the corner ,yet rossi seems to run faster than him
Hey BM , why not write nicky and tell him how to back it in correctly...
This whole post expresses the outcome of my points on "backing it in".
Stoner knows how to control a bike loose, whether its on deceleration or acceleration, he is on the limit so the back end needs little to get it loose. PI the last few corners shows exactly that.
If Nicky is always using the rear brake then it could explain a lot, but I am not going to pretend to know what he is actually doing ..... especially if its from a video commentary or a magazine.
If Rossi hasn't learned these things from a very young age then it will be hard, and I'm again not talking about getting the back loose with the rear brake, sure he could do that and it will look stylish ........ but he will go a lot slower, its getting it round the corner, with a loose back end, with minimal trajectory speed loss that Stoner has and that Rossi needs to get.
Funnily enough, I'm kinda hoping it works for Stoner on the Honda, I suspect we won't see it at first a lot but later on he will do the same as he steps it up to finding were the grip balance of the Honda is ....... yes I think there is more to come from Stoner yet.
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All this sliding talk may be missing the point.
It seems that last year's Duc understeered badly getting INTO the corners. Casey's critical point occurred at the very end of the trail braking zone, as the bike transitioned to steady-state cornering. That's supposedly where the bike offers the most vague feedback, and where VR and the other Duc riders seem most uncomfortable. That's also where Stoner was either making time ... or crashing. What Rossi calls 'understeer' is just a lack of faith on the rider's part! "Drive that ..... in there ya big wimp! It'll stick!" (You hope....)
Once past mid corner, with the bike picked up a little, it's safe to drift the rear on the way out. Even Rossi can do that.
It seems that last year's Duc understeered badly getting INTO the corners. Casey's critical point occurred at the very end of the trail braking zone, as the bike transitioned to steady-state cornering. That's supposedly where the bike offers the most vague feedback, and where VR and the other Duc riders seem most uncomfortable. That's also where Stoner was either making time ... or crashing. What Rossi calls 'understeer' is just a lack of faith on the rider's part! "Drive that ..... in there ya big wimp! It'll stick!" (You hope....)
Once past mid corner, with the bike picked up a little, it's safe to drift the rear on the way out. Even Rossi can do that.
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This is the bit he will have difficulty with and the bit I gather Stoner solved by skills he learned as a kid on his way to a few titles. In general a loose front end would have been countered by getting the rear even more loose whether or not it actually gave the front more grip or just creates a feeling of more grip at front now, Stoner seemed to ride the Duc in the area of just loose and probably did what most dirt trackers do and rather than use any braking but threw some power at it, a lot of folk used to misinterpret this as TC on Stoners bike I think as he would do it into the corner ( they would say "look he cracks the throttle into the corner so the TC must be taking care of it for him" ) Nup I think it was Stoner just scaling up things he learned on the dirt with a loose bike . It sure is a leap of faith ....... and Rossi is a loooong way from that yet judging on his testing ....... he appeared to only get to the front end was loose bit and because I gather its a very "unYamaha" feeling backed off rather than taking that next ( HUGE ) leap of faith that Stoner does.
I bet Stoner was objectionable on a KX60 as a kid
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Rossi is a "showcase" slider, the nearest I have seen him get to using it to increase his speed is when he followed Stoner for a few laps at PI there.
Rossi knows how to ride a bike round a corner and keep the tyres in grip, thats his specialty.
Stoner on the Duc. was riding the bike just past grip.
Rossi matched Stoner on pace for a fair few laps of that race and was cornering in pretty much exactly the same way (through that turn anyway), he even commented on it after the race. Was pretty impressive to watch the normally glued Yam mimicking the wild Ducati.
Rossi will master the Duc, especially if it lends itself to riding in that particular style, which it clearly does. Only once he's 100% though. Would you be willing to push the limits of a bike knowing that if you bin it you could really royally .... your shoulder/career for good? Didnt think so!
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I think what all this talk boils down to is, is Rossi scared of the Ducati? I'm not betting my liver on it, but my gut feeling is that yes, he probably is.
It's no shame on his part. The list of recent Ducati riders can be lumped into two boxes marked "Stoner" and "All Others" ......it just looks like Rossi belongs in the second box at this point in time.
As a fan, I'm a little concerned that Rossi said, "I'm confident we'll soon see improvements on these issues because the Ducati technicians are very good and I think I've given them precise indications." Riiiiiiight.......your job done then? Good to get that out of the way........
Hasn't he heard the expression, "If you want a job done right, do it yourself"? Why isn't he in the factory, splitting atoms and cracking whips?
It's no shame on his part. The list of recent Ducati riders can be lumped into two boxes marked "Stoner" and "All Others" ......it just looks like Rossi belongs in the second box at this point in time.
As a fan, I'm a little concerned that Rossi said, "I'm confident we'll soon see improvements on these issues because the Ducati technicians are very good and I think I've given them precise indications." Riiiiiiight.......your job done then? Good to get that out of the way........
Hasn't he heard the expression, "If you want a job done right, do it yourself"? Why isn't he in the factory, splitting atoms and cracking whips?
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