Repsol done after 2010?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Mar 9 2010, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I had no idea what the answer to this was, so I looked it up. Make of it what you will

2007
Stoner: 10 wins, 5 poles, 6 fastest laps
Rossi : 4 wins, 4 poles, <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%3 fastest laps
Pedrosa : 2 wins, 5 poles, 3 fastest laps

2008
Stoner: 6 wins, 9 poles, 9 fastest laps
Rossi : 9 wins, 2 poles, <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%5 fastest laps
Pedrosa : 2 wins, 2 poles, 2 fastest laps
Lorenzo : 1 win, 4 poles, 1 fastest lap

2009
Stoner: 4 wins, 3 poles, 2 fastest laps
Rossi : 6 wins, 7 poles, <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%6 fastest laps
Pedrosa : 2 wins, 2 poles, 4 fastest laps
Lorenzo : 4 wins, 5 poles, 4 fastest lap

Lap Records on circuits still currently in use
Losail : 1'55.153, C. Stoner '08, Ducati
Motegi : 1'47.091, C. Stoner '08, Ducati
Jerez : 1'39.818, V. Rossi '09, Yamaha
Le Mans : 1'34.215, V. Rossi '08, Yamaha
Mugello : 1'50.003, C. Stoner '08, Ducati
Assen : 1'36.558, V. Rossi '09, Yamaha
Catalunya : 1'42.358, D. Pedrosa '08, Honda
Sachsenring : 1'22.126, D. Pedrosa '09, Honda
Laguna Seca : 1'21.488, C. Stoner '08, Ducati
Brno : 1'56.670, J. Lorenzo '09, Yamaha
Indianapolis : 1'40.152, J. Lorenzo '09, Yamaha
Misano : 1'34.746, V. Rossi '09, Yamaha
Sepang : 2'02.108, C. Stoner '09, Ducati
Phillip Island : 1'30.059, N. Hayden '08, Honda
Estoril : 1'36.937, D. Pedrosa '09, Honda
Valencia : 1'32.582, C. Stoner '08, Ducati

That's 6 to Stoner, 4 to Rossi, 3 to Pedrosa, 2 to Lorenzo and 1 to Hayden

Rossi is going upwards and... Anyway, you shoud cosidere all the tracks Rossi has race at, and get the same averages per track perhaps.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Mar 9 2010, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi is going upwards and... Anyway, you shoud cosidere all the tracks Rossi has race at, and get the same averages per track perhaps.
Not really,Rossi was undoubtedly the fastest before Stoner entered the scene, so that is a moot point. The real story is Stoner has been the fastest rider since they went to 800cc machines. It will be interesting to see what he does back on the 1000's

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Mar 9 2010, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wasn´t it Pedrosa (on his Honda) with 349.3 km/hr during FP1? Capirossi left it at 347.4 Km/hr in Pre-Season Testing! And Barros at 339.4 at Race Day! Could be wrong though... Can't be wrong, I checked:

http://www.motogp.com/es/news/2009/racing+numbers+catalunya


I stand corrected. I remember the clip in Faster when Livio said the Ducati was the fastest motorcycle on "hearth". Well Dani is a tiny dude so no wonder.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 9 2010, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not really,Rossi was undoubtedly the fastest before Stoner entered the scene, so that is a moot point. The real story is Stoner has been the fastest rider since they went to 800cc machines. It will be interesting to see what he does back on the 1000's

But Rossi usually takes a year to learn the new category (125, 250, 500 and 800, except 990), considering this, since the ‘Big’ change from 990 to 800 in 2007, Rossi has been upwards no doubt, closing 2009 with the most Race Fastest Laps, most Poles and Most Wins. And Stoner showed a pic at 2008 and a downward trend in 2009 just when Rossi went up; 2007 = 6 Race Fastest Laps and 5 Poles, 2008 = 9 Race Fastest Laps and 9 Poles, 2009 = 2 Race Fastest Laps and 3 Poles.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Mar 9 2010, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I had no idea what the answer to this was, so I looked it up. Make of it what you will

2007
Stoner: 10 wins, 5 poles, 6 fastest laps
Rossi : 4 wins, 4 poles, 3 fastest laps
Pedrosa : 2 wins, 5 poles, 3 fastest laps

2008
Stoner: 6 wins, 9 poles, 9 fastest laps
Rossi : 9 wins, 2 poles, 5 fastest laps
Pedrosa : 2 wins, 2 poles, 2 fastest laps
Lorenzo : 1 win, 4 poles, 1 fastest lap

2009
Stoner: 4 wins, 3 poles, 2 fastest laps
Rossi : 6 wins, 7 poles, 6 fastest laps
Pedrosa : 2 wins, 2 poles, 4 fastest laps
Lorenzo : 4 wins, 5 poles, 4 fastest lap

Lap Records on circuits still currently in use
Losail : 1’55.153, C. Stoner ’08, Ducati
Motegi : 1’47.091, C. Stoner ’08, Ducati
Jerez : 1’39.818, V. Rossi ’09, Yamaha
Le Mans : 1’34.215, V. Rossi ’08, Yamaha
Mugello : 1’50.003, C. Stoner ’08, Ducati
Assen : 1’36.558, V. Rossi ’09, Yamaha
Catalunya : 1'42.358, D. Pedrosa ’08, Honda
Sachsenring : 1’22.126, D. Pedrosa ’09, Honda
Laguna Seca : 1'21.488, C. Stoner ’08, Ducati
Brno : 1’56.670, J. Lorenzo ’09, Yamaha
Indianapolis : 1’40.152, J. Lorenzo ’09, Yamaha
Misano : 1’34.746, V. Rossi ’09, Yamaha
Sepang : 2’02.108, C. Stoner ’09, Ducati
Phillip Island : 1’30.059, N. Hayden ’08, Honda
Estoril : 1’36.937, D. Pedrosa ’09, Honda
Valencia : 1’32.582, C. Stoner ’08, Ducati

That's 6 to Stoner, 4 to Rossi, 3 to Pedrosa, 2 to Lorenzo and 1 to Hayden
Cheers for posting these facts mate Looking at these i would say stoner was the fastest rider in 07 and 08 but rossi was the fastest rider in 09 rossi was the better racer ie more wins in 08 and 09

there both good for the sport simples

anyway Man U are better than the other EPL Aliens..gooners,chelski,red scouse.
up the Internazionale.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Mar 10 2010, 05:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But Rossi usually takes a year to learn the new category (125, 250, 500 and 800, except 990), considering this, since the ‘Big’ change from 990 to 800 in 2007, Rossi has been upwards no doubt, closing 2009 with the most Race Fastest Laps, most Poles and Most Wins. And Stoner showed a pic at 2008 and a downward trend in 2009 just when Rossi went up; 2007 = 6 Race Fastest Laps and 5 Poles, 2008 = 9 Race Fastest Laps and 9 Poles, 2009 = 2 Race Fastest Laps and 3 Poles.
Rossi was undoubtedly both the fastest and the best racer in 2009. But he needed a year to learn 800s at that stage in his career? that's pretty lame and unworthy of you .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 10 2010, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi was undoubtedly both the fastest and the best racer in 2009. But he needed a year to learn 800s at that stage in his career? that's pretty lame and unworthy of you .

He had the 990 all crack up! "What the hell with this 'Barbie' sized bike?" Both Hayden and Rossi must have said and at least a year to get the hang of miniature crap!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Mar 10 2010, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Cheers for posting these facts mate Looking at these i would say stoner was the fastest rider in 07 and 08 but rossi was the fastest rider in 09 rossi was the better racer ie more wins in 08 and 09
In 09, Stoner had a belly ache the first 3/4ths of the season. When he came back,he was fast out of the gate. I look for him to be on top of his game this year. Rossi being the better racer was not in doubt, pretty much everyone concedes his racecraft is second to none.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Mar 10 2010, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Cheers for posting these facts mate Looking at these i would say stoner was the fastest rider in 07 and 08 but rossi was the fastest rider in 09 rossi was the better racer ie more wins in 08 and 09

Yes well my point is ...... Given that that is perhaps how it all looks, why are many folk saying Stoner is the "best"? I understand that sure you Boppers will be saying "no Rossi is" till long afer he has left the game but why are so many outwardly saying otherwise?


IS it as simple as this?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 11 2010, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In 09, Stoner had a belly ache the first 3/4ths of the season. When he came back,he was fast out of the gate. I look for him to be on top of his game this year.

and given that he is many folks pick to take out next years WC, they are obviously saying Stoner is the best ..... at what it takes to win it, ie. including racecraft etc. .......... allways with the "dispensations" you lot

Even the betting odds for this year indicate something is happening thats not that recogniseable, and I say that as a Stoner fan who does believe he is the best thing out there, even I don't get the current public "upping" of expectations from him.

Do folk expect that the new engine rules will make it more of a year like 07 again? Is Rossi all that much more dependent on technology to the point that "those in the know" see another change in formula .... so Rossi will have a "blip" again?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 11 2010, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do folk expect that the new engine rules will make it more of a year like 07 again? Is Rossi all that much more dependent on technology to the point that "those in the know" see another change in formula .... so Rossi will have a "blip" again?
So BM you admit that 06/07 were just blip for Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 10 2010, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes well my point is ...... Given that that is perhaps how it all looks, why are many folk saying Stoner is the "best"? I understand that sure you Boppers will be saying "no Rossi is" till long afer he has left the game but why are so many outwardly saying otherwise?

IS it as simple as this?

and given that he is many folks pick to take out next years WC, they are obviously saying Stoner is the best ..... at what it takes to win it, ie. including racecraft etc. .......... allways with the "dispensations" you lot

Even the betting odds for this year indicate something is happening thats not that recogniseable, and I say that as a Stoner fan who does believe he is the best thing out there, even I don't get the current public "upping" of expectations from him.

Do folk expect that the new engine rules will make it more of a year like 07 again? Is Rossi all that much more dependent on technology to the point that "those in the know" see another change in formula .... so Rossi will have a "blip" again?

Well I am sorry to insist, but I think you see what you´ll like to see. Perhaps I am not Neutral either (Rossi Bopper with some Stats; is like saying an ..... with a Cause , but I do have them Stats ). Anyway, I see the same phenomenom in Spanish Forums: "Lots of knowledgeable inside people are seeing Rossi decline and Lorenzo (before it was Pedrosa) taking even higher than Rossi ever dreamed of!"...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 11 2010, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes well my point is ...... Given that that is perhaps how it all looks, why are many folk saying Stoner is the "best"? I understand that sure you Boppers will be saying "no Rossi is" till long afer he has left the game but why are so many outwardly saying otherwise?

Well, let me ask you: How do you rate Rossi this year? According to you and Tom he was after all on a steep downhill of his career already in '08, and then you rated him to 4th or 5th. Is he still top 10?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 12 2010, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, let me ask you: How do you rate Rossi this year? According to you and Tom he was after all on a steep downhill of his career already in '08, and then you rated him to 4th or 5th. Is he still top 10?

Well if you cared to look at the Stats. In terms of a trend seeing figures of 1st, 2nd then 3rd for 3 consecutive years what does that suggest to you

Thats part of why when you look at it, and take out all "Bopperism" 08 and 09 have been perhaps Rossi's best years ever. The other part is the competition he has at the moment.

What would you have rated Rossi's WC chances late 07 Babel? ( he askes knowing what the Bopper will say )

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 11 2010, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well if you cared to look at the Stats. In terms of a trend seeing figures of 1st, 2nd then 3rd for 3 consecutive years what does that suggest to you

That Stoner has been in a downhill!



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 11 2010, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats part of why when you look at it, and take out all "Bopperism" 08 and 09 have been perhaps Rossi's best years ever. The other part is the competition he has at the moment.

Well if Rossi gets his 8th Top Class Title (+2 petite ones), this could be considered his 'Best Ever' too, simple because it adds up, few Riders have achieved it and Rossi would have more wins than any. That could make it 'The Best One Ever', even when he has mention most of them have had their share of 'Greatness' in their time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 11 2010, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What would you have rated Rossi's WC chances late 07 Babel? (he askes knowing what the Bopper will say )

Higher than most with his background Stats!