Repsol done after 2010?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Otis Driftwood @ Mar 7 2010, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There was a program on `Motors` tv with Warren Pole learning how to back a motard in,he was being taught by one of the frontrunners in the world champ`s .We need to dig it up as I`m sure it would shed some light on this ,ahem

,debate.Anyone remember watching it?(twas a year or two ago)
Very diplomatically put Craig I remember a highly entertaining programme he presented called 'Crash Stunt Idiots' (but this was on Men and Motors), which was largely compiled camcorder footage of assorted stoppies and burnouts gone wrong and kids flipping gixers. In addition to that there would always be home footage of some tool on a motocross bike unsuccessfully trying to jump a sand dune in his local desert and ending up breaking his back in the process. It was like ....... on two wheels. Then an instructor would come on or a copper reminding us that the public highway was no place for such foolish behaviour. So linked to this responsible part of the programme, they would turn to instructors, racers, and stunt riders to enlighten us with some trade secrets to be performed on the relative safety of the track. Could well have been this.

They even dredged up some lunatic from Australia who claimed to be able to back in a 749s purely by shutting the throttle

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kropotkin @ Mar 7 2010, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Having spoken to both Casey Stoner, Nicky Hayden and Fillipo Preziosi, I can perhaps put some of you lot out of your misery.

Casey Stoner does use TC. But he uses a lot less than any of the other Ducati riders. His fine throttle control - in the words of Nicky Hayden "the last 2 or 3%" - is outstanding. What he does is find where the TC is cutting in at each corner, then back off a fraction at that corner next time round, until he is sliding the bike just at the point where the TC cuts in. The bike goes faster that way, both Stoner and Preziosi have explained, plus it uses less fuel, leaving more to burn later in the race.

If you look at his wrist, it looks like he is just pinning the throttle. He is, but at exactly the right point, just before the electronics take control. Standing up at Turn 13 at Valencia the difference was amazing: when Stoner came by you could hardly hear the TC at all; when Kallio came by it sounded like he'd just yanked a plug lead.

The new big bang engine should fix a lot of that anyway. It was cutting out a lot less, whether Hayden or Stoner were riding it. It is much more controllable without the need for electronics.

I know there is a myth that Stoner is only fast because of TC, but that is so much horseshit. If that was true, Melandri, Hayden, Kallio and Canepa/Espargaro would have been right behind him every weekend. They weren't.

I realize that this is not a popular opinion here or elsewhere, but I believe Casey Stoner is the fastest motorcycle racer on the planet. Now, there is a huge difference between being the fastest and the best, but it's a pretty good start.

I also wish that Dorna would let me put the post-session debriefs up online. It would give the fans a much better insight into what the riders are really like. Reading a transcription is not the same, it misses out on all of the inflections which indicate whether something is meant light-heartedly or not.

For the record, I am not a Stoner fan, any more than I'm a fan of Rossi, Hayden, Spies, Pedrosa, or Lorenzo. They are all astonishingly talented and dedicated riders, and worthy of our respect. That, of course, is a call which will fall on the deaf ears of fanboidom.

Thanks for this post. Nice to hear a measured, objective report on this - as opposed to all the rabid
speculation based on strange agendas and half truths gleaned from unreliable sources. A breath of fresh air.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Mar 8 2010, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks for this post. Nice to hear a measured, objective report on this - as opposed to all the rabid
speculation based on strange agendas and half truths gleaned from unreliable sources. A breath of fresh air.

It is true that a comment from Kropotkin carries much weight. MotoMatters is always my first website of the day. But these same things have been said by many commentators inside the inner circle and repeatedly quoted by many on this forum. Unfortunately it has ALWAYS been referred to as Stoner Fanboism. Glad to see that now some justice can be gleaned from a respected voice confirming what Stoner fans have been saying for 3 seasons.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kropotkin @ Mar 7 2010, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Having spoken to both Casey Stoner, Nicky Hayden and Fillipo Preziosi, I can perhaps put some of you lot out of your misery.

Casey Stoner does use TC. But he uses a lot less than any of the other Ducati riders. His fine throttle control - in the words of Nicky Hayden "the last 2 or 3%" - is outstanding. What he does is find where the TC is cutting in at each corner, then back off a fraction at that corner next time round, until he is sliding the bike just at the point where the TC cuts in. The bike goes faster that way, both Stoner and Preziosi have explained, plus it uses less fuel, leaving more to burn later in the race.

If you look at his wrist, it looks like he is just pinning the throttle. He is, but at exactly the right point, just before the electronics take control. Standing up at Turn 13 at Valencia the difference was amazing: when Stoner came by you could hardly hear the TC at all; when Kallio came by it sounded like he'd just yanked a plug lead.

The new big bang engine should fix a lot of that anyway. It was cutting out a lot less, whether Hayden or Stoner were riding it. It is much more controllable without the need for electronics.

I know there is a myth that Stoner is only fast because of TC, but that is so much horseshit. If that was true, Melandri, Hayden, Kallio and Canepa/Espargaro would have been right behind him every weekend. They weren't.

I realize that this is not a popular opinion here or elsewhere, but I believe Casey Stoner is the fastest motorcycle racer on the planet. Now, there is a huge difference between being the fastest and the best, but it's a pretty good start.

I also wish that Dorna would let me put the post-session debriefs up online. It would give the fans a much better insight into what the riders are really like. Reading a transcription is not the same, it misses out on all of the inflections which indicate whether something is meant light-heartedly or not.

For the record, I am not a Stoner fan, any more than I'm a fan of Rossi, Hayden, Spies, Pedrosa, or Lorenzo. They are all astonishingly talented and dedicated riders, and worthy of our respect. That, of course, is a call which will fall on the deaf ears of fanboidom.

Bloody excellent no-nonsense post. Welcome to the Forum.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 8 2010, 08:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They even dredged up some lunatic from Australia who claimed to be able to back in a 749s purely by shutting the throttle

I'd concur with that guy, I know from 1st hand experience that the 749S has a very loose rear end under deceleration

But thats pretty understandable really, it a high compression Vtwin ...... say no more

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 8 2010, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd concur with that guy, I know from 1st hand experience that the 749S has a very loose rear end under deceleration

But thats pretty understandable really, it a high compression Vtwin ...... say no more
Im sure Ducati would sell a bike that steps out sideways just because the rider closed the throttle Makes the old TL thou sound like a ..... cat.
Theres only one thing with a loose rear end and it aint your bike

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Oniker @ Mar 8 2010, 06:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bloody excellent no-nonsense post. Welcome to the Forum.

Aye,I`ve read it myself a few times now and concur.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Mar 9 2010, 05:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im sure Ducati would sell a bike that steps out sideways just because the rider closed the throttle Makes the old TL thou sound like a ..... cat.
Theres only one thing with a loose rear end and it aint your bike


Rog. I know you must have lead a "sheltered life"

But get real


Same goes for your couch buddy Arab

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Mar 6 2010, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ducati
- Stoner
- ?? (depends on NH's year. Maybe Pedro ??)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Mar 9 2010, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Hey V, I can't see any pin pricks in your vodoo model.

The kids got one of those each the other day, and by gum the Boppers were right !! He's totally controlled by electronics!!

I realize that this is not a popular opinion here or elsewhere, but I believe Casey Stoner is the fastest motorcycle racer on the planet. Now, there is a huge difference between being the fastest and the best, but it's a pretty good start.
I would say that is a fair assesment of Stoner.Another motorcycle racer that popped into my mind when i read that was James Stewart.He is by far the fastest MX rider in the world, but he cant get it thru his head that winning by 2 seconds pays the same as winning by 30 seconds. As a result, he stays injured, which i beleive will keep him from reaching legend status like Mcgrath and Carmichael.
Its a mental toughness that guys like Rossi, Doohan, Mcgrath and Carmichael have that seperates them from the others. Mental toughness is the X factor that allows the superstars to push thru bad days and make something happen. Are you born with it, or is it learned. Whatever IT is, some have IT, and some dont.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Mar 9 2010, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey V, I can't see any pin pricks in your vodoo model.

No bro... This is Pedrosa's Prototype in the makes! In any case Dani Puig should sign!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 9 2010, 08:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I realize that this is not a popular opinion here or elsewhere, but I believe Casey Stoner is the fastest motorcycle racer on the planet. Now, there is a huge difference between being the fastest and the best, but it's a pretty good start.
I would say that is a fair assesment of Stoner.Another motorcycle racer that popped into my mind when i read that was James Stewart.He is by far the fastest MX rider in the world, but he cant get it thru his head that winning by 2 seconds pays the same as winning by 30 seconds. As a result, he stays injured, which i beleive will keep him from reaching legend status like Mcgrath and Carmichael.
Its a mental toughness that guys like Rossi, Doohan, Mcgrath and Carmichael have that seperates them from the others. Mental toughness is the X factor that allows the superstars to push thru bad days and make something happen. Are you born with it, or is it learned. Whatever IT is, some have IT, and some dont.

Agreed Povol. (And not as in ‘A Greed’ from Duhrna).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 9 2010, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I realize that this is not a popular opinion here or elsewhere, but I believe Casey Stoner is the fastest motorcycle racer on the planet. Now, there is a huge difference between being the fastest and the best, but it's a pretty good start.
Why is he the fastest motorcycle racer on the planet ? What exactly makes stoner the fastest ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Mar 9 2010, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why is he the fastest motorcycle racer on the planet ? What exactly makes stoner the fastest ??
I have not looked it up,but it seems for the last 2-3 years that Stoner sat on a lot of poles and broke a lot of track records and was BMW pole winner one year and probably would have gotten it last year had he not missed races.He is just ....... fast. But like he said,being fastest dont make you the best.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 9 2010, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have not looked it up,but it seems for the last 2-3 years that Stoner sat on a lot of poles and broke a lot of track records and was BMW pole winner one year and probably would have gotten it last year had he not missed races.He is just ....... fast. But like he said,being fastest dont make you the best.
Im not saying he isn't fast or the fastest. It's just i keep hearing people here state stoner is the fastest rider in the world but back it up with no facts. Now if a fan posts up poles,lap records. race lap records for all the tracks against the other top riders i would take the statement seriously.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Mar 9 2010, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im not saying he isn't fast or the fastest. It's just i keep hearing people here state stoner is the fastest rider in the world but back it up with no facts. Now if a fan posts up poles,lap records. race lap records for all the tracks against the other top riders i would take the statement seriously.

I had no idea what the answer to this was, so I looked it up. Make of it what you will

2007
Stoner: 10 wins, 5 poles, 6 fastest laps
Rossi : 4 wins, 4 poles, 3 fastest laps
Pedrosa : 2 wins, 5 poles, 3 fastest laps

2008
Stoner: 6 wins, 9 poles, 9 fastest laps
Rossi : 9 wins, 2 poles, 5 fastest laps
Pedrosa : 2 wins, 2 poles, 2 fastest laps
Lorenzo : 1 win, 4 poles, 1 fastest lap

2009
Stoner: 4 wins, 3 poles, 2 fastest laps
Rossi : 6 wins, 7 poles, 6 fastest laps
Pedrosa : 2 wins, 2 poles, 4 fastest laps
Lorenzo : 4 wins, 5 poles, 4 fastest lap

Lap Records on circuits still currently in use
Losail : 1’55.153, C. Stoner ’08, Ducati
Motegi : 1’47.091, C. Stoner ’08, Ducati
Jerez : 1’39.818, V. Rossi ’09, Yamaha
Le Mans : 1’34.215, V. Rossi ’08, Yamaha
Mugello : 1’50.003, C. Stoner ’08, Ducati
Assen : 1’36.558, V. Rossi ’09, Yamaha
Catalunya : 1'42.358, D. Pedrosa ’08, Honda
Sachsenring : 1’22.126, D. Pedrosa ’09, Honda
Laguna Seca : 1'21.488, C. Stoner ’08, Ducati
Brno : 1’56.670, J. Lorenzo ’09, Yamaha
Indianapolis : 1’40.152, J. Lorenzo ’09, Yamaha
Misano : 1’34.746, V. Rossi ’09, Yamaha
Sepang : 2’02.108, C. Stoner ’09, Ducati
Phillip Island : 1’30.059, N. Hayden ’08, Honda
Estoril : 1’36.937, D. Pedrosa ’09, Honda
Valencia : 1’32.582, C. Stoner ’08, Ducati

That's 6 to Stoner, 4 to Rossi, 3 to Pedrosa, 2 to Lorenzo and 1 to Hayden

I'm not sure who the fastest is maybe Capirossi on the 990 Ducati...anyway only quickest matters. Time to re-study your units...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Mar 9 2010, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sure who the fastest is maybe Capirossi on the 990 Ducati...anyway only quickest matters. Time to re-study your units...

Wasn´t it Pedrosa (on his Honda) with 349.3 km/hr during FP1? Capirossi left it at 347.4 Km/hr in Pre-Season Testing! And Barros at 339.4 at Race Day! Could be wrong though... Can't be wrong, I checked:

http://www.motogp.com/es/news/2009/racing+numbers+catalunya