Repsol done after 2010?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 6 2010, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One of the open questions could be Rossi though. What if Ducati and Rossi decide they want each other?
It could happen if Yamaha has a bad year and Hayden has a bad year. That create room for both to look for a change.

Rossi's not going to Ducati. He will talk up the possibility until June, then sign back with Yamaha again, once Lorenzo is gone.

And from pre-season testing, Yamaha doesn't look like they're going to have a bad year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kropotkin @ Mar 6 2010, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi's not going to Ducati. He will talk up the possibility until June, then sign back with Yamaha again, once Lorenzo is gone.

And from pre-season testing, Yamaha doesn't look like they're going to have a bad year.

What makes you so certain about Rossi? Let's say that the '10 Ducati turns out ridable, fast and reliable and that the Yamaha turns out unreliable and Yamaha hold on to Jorge by admitting higher status.
There has to be some nationalistic string in Rossi telling him the Ducati is desierable, don't you think?
I know there is a lot of if's and a long shot, but my main point is that I'm certain Rossi would like to win on a Ducati. If only the circumstances are right....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 6 2010, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What makes you so certain about Rossi? Let's say that the '10 Ducati turns out ridable, fast and reliable and that the Yamaha turns out unreliable and Yamaha hold on to Jorge by admitting higher status.

The '10 Ducati is much, much better than the '09 bike, much more ridable and requires significantly less traction control. This in turn will save fuel and make the bike faster over the distance.

At the end of last year, Yamaha said that their engines were already last 2200 kms with little loss of performance, and the extra 200kms required to last three races should be no problem. The Yamaha is extremely unlikely to be unreliable, and the package as a whole is almost unbeatable.

Yamaha's quandary is this: Stick with Rossi, who will sell thousands of 2035 model R1s, or go with Jorge Lorenzo, who might sell thousands of 2035 model R1s, or might have slipped back into the mists of history and be relatively forgotten. If I run Yamaha (not their racing department, the company), my choice is clear.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 6 2010, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There has to be some nationalistic string in Rossi telling him the Ducati is desierable, don't you think?
I know there is a lot of if's and a long shot, but my main point is that I'm certain Rossi would like to win on a Ducati. If only the circumstances are right....

Yes, Rossi would like to win on a Ducati. But he knows he requires a number of things in place to do so: 1. A fast bike (no problem), 2. His crew (much more of a problem).

Rossi is close to Agostini's record no. of wins and titles. He will stick with what he trusts to match that record, then think about leaving. But his place in history (the one thing he truly cares about) is already fixed, and winning on a Ducati will not enhance his reputation much more than it has been already. He has much to lose and little to gain.

Of course, I could be wrong. We'll know for sure by Brno.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 5 2010, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm wondering if the health concerns even enter into it.


It would be a "Feather in the cap" for any manufacturure who's bike Stoner gets on and rides better than he does the Duc.

And if its not so "tough to ride", another "feather in the cap"

The "health concerns" could turn into a marketting gold mine. Just depends on how much "inside info" folks have on what the Duc. is like to ride.
Honda has bought Suppo.

I possibly can believe the "paving the way" theories on Suppo based on this.


The "health concerns" could turn into a marketing gold mine. Sorry I had to repeat that to make sure I wasn't reading it wrong. Would you care to explain? Cause I am not sure when being sick became a great marketing tool.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 6 2010, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What makes you so certain about Rossi? Let's say that the '10 Ducati turns out ridable, fast and reliable and that the Yamaha turns out unreliable and Yamaha hold on to Jorge by admitting higher status.
There has to be some nationalistic string in Rossi telling him the Ducati is desierable, don't you think?
I know there is a lot of if's and a long shot, but my main point is that I'm certain Rossi would like to win on a Ducati. If only the circumstances are right....

It's been pointed out here repeatedly (mostly by me) that Burgess is in his twilight years
insofar as active race development is concerned. He's made it fairly clear that he's tired
of all the travel etc and is sticking around to support Rossi for as long as he can - but
Rossi knows that asking Burgess to move to another company at this late stage in the
game to develop a new bike - is a bit much to ask - and Rossi's not going anywhere without
Burgess for same reason. It's too late in the game to start looking for a Burgess replacement.
Rossi's is too much of an international personality to worry about Italian bikes. He cares about
one thing only; winning.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Mar 6 2010, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The "health concerns" could turn into a marketing gold mine. Sorry I had to repeat that to make sure I wasn't reading it wrong. Would you care to explain? Cause I am not sure when being sick became a great marketing tool.

Didn't you hear? Stoner's coming out with a new "Vegan Cookbook For Racers On The Go".
He'll be shilling it on Oprah next week! Later in the month he'll be announcing his own line
of vitamin supplements and a vomit resistant face shield for motorcycle helmets.

Oh yeah... and he's doing a guest spot on The Fishing Channel.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Mar 6 2010, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didn't you hear? Stoner's coming out with a new "Vegan Cookbook For Racers On The Go".
He'll be shilling it on Oprah next week! Later in the month he'll be announcing his own line
of vitamin supplements and a vomit resistant face shield for motorcycle helmets.

Oh yeah... and he's doing a guest spot on The Fishing Channel.


The Casey Stoner vegan diet??? I bet this is what the inside of his local vegan grocery store looks like.



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We need someone who is good on photoshop to mock up what a Red Bull Honda will look like because with Repsol gone Red Bull I think is the best title sponsorship option for Honda. Has a bit of a ring to it "Red Bull Honda".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Mar 6 2010, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We need someone who is good on photoshop to mock up what a Red Bull Honda will look like because with Repsol gone Red Bull I think is the best title sponsorship option for Honda. Has a bit of a ring to it "Red Bull Honda".

its late here.a quicky yeah diff bike but you get the idea.
RedBull Honda it is 2011

Predicting the rider to hey!!!! Nice job.

Red Bull won't get back into MotoGP unless someone is willing to allow them free reign on the team. Red Bull wants to be in control of riders, team and equipment. That's why the Red Bull KR project never worked out, KR wouldn't let go. Rightfully so.

I'd like Red Bull to come back in a big way, but I can't see them getting a hold of a competitive enough team that would allow them free reign.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kropotkin @ Mar 6 2010, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The '10 Ducati is much, much better than the '09 bike, much more ridable and requires significantly less traction control. This in turn will save fuel and make the bike faster over the distance.

At the end of last year, Yamaha said that their engines were already last 2200 kms with little loss of performance, and the extra 200kms required to last three races should be no problem. The Yamaha is extremely unlikely to be unreliable, and the package as a whole is almost unbeatable.

Yamaha's quandary is this: Stick with Rossi, who will sell thousands of 2035 model R1s, or go with Jorge Lorenzo, who might sell thousands of 2035 model R1s, or might have slipped back into the mists of history and be relatively forgotten. If I run Yamaha (not their racing department, the company), my choice is clear.




Yes, Rossi would like to win on a Ducati. But he knows he requires a number of things in place to do so: 1. A fast bike (no problem), 2. His crew (much more of a problem).

Rossi is close to Agostini's record no. of wins and titles. He will stick with what he trusts to match that record, then think about leaving. But his place in history (the one thing he truly cares about) is already fixed, and winning on a Ducati will not enhance his reputation much more than it has been already. He has much to lose and little to gain.

Of course, I could be wrong. We'll know for sure by Brno.
Woe id be careful saying that here mate. According to his fans here and some dubious reporting last year, stoner didn't use traction control on the 09 bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Mar 7 2010, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Woe id be careful saying that here mate. According to his fans here and some dubious reporting last year, stoner didn't use traction control on the 09 bike.

Having spoken to both Casey Stoner, Nicky Hayden and Fillipo Preziosi, I can perhaps put some of you lot out of your misery.

Casey Stoner does use TC. But he uses a lot less than any of the other Ducati riders. His fine throttle control - in the words of Nicky Hayden "the last 2 or 3%" - is outstanding. What he does is find where the TC is cutting in at each corner, then back off a fraction at that corner next time round, until he is sliding the bike just at the point where the TC cuts in. The bike goes faster that way, both Stoner and Preziosi have explained, plus it uses less fuel, leaving more to burn later in the race.

If you look at his wrist, it looks like he is just pinning the throttle. He is, but at exactly the right point, just before the electronics take control. Standing up at Turn 13 at Valencia the difference was amazing: when Stoner came by you could hardly hear the TC at all; when Kallio came by it sounded like he'd just yanked a plug lead.

The new big bang engine should fix a lot of that anyway. It was cutting out a lot less, whether Hayden or Stoner were riding it. It is much more controllable without the need for electronics.

I know there is a myth that Stoner is only fast because of TC, but that is so much horseshit. If that was true, Melandri, Hayden, Kallio and Canepa/Espargaro would have been right behind him every weekend. They weren't.

I realize that this is not a popular opinion here or elsewhere, but I believe Casey Stoner is the fastest motorcycle racer on the planet. Now, there is a huge difference between being the fastest and the best, but it's a pretty good start.

I also wish that Dorna would let me put the post-session debriefs up online. It would give the fans a much better insight into what the riders are really like. Reading a transcription is not the same, it misses out on all of the inflections which indicate whether something is meant light-heartedly or not.

For the record, I am not a Stoner fan, any more than I'm a fan of Rossi, Hayden, Spies, Pedrosa, or Lorenzo. They are all astonishingly talented and dedicated riders, and worthy of our respect. That, of course, is a call which will fall on the deaf ears of fanboidom.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kropotkin @ Mar 7 2010, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Having spoken to both Casey Stoner, Nicky Hayden and Fillipo Preziosi, I can perhaps put some of you lot out of your misery.

Casey Stoner does use TC. But he uses a lot less than any of the other Ducati riders. His fine throttle control - in the words of Nicky Hayden "the last 2 or 3%" - is outstanding. What he does is find where the TC is cutting in at each corner, then back off a fraction at that corner next time round, until he is sliding the bike just at the point where the TC cuts in. The bike goes faster that way, both Stoner and Preziosi have explained, plus it uses less fuel, leaving more to burn later in the race.

If you look at his wrist, it looks like he is just pinning the throttle. He is, but at exactly the right point, just before the electronics take control. Standing up at Turn 13 at Valencia the difference was amazing: when Stoner came by you could hardly hear the TC at all; when Kallio came by it sounded like he'd just yanked a plug lead.

The new big bang engine should fix a lot of that anyway. It was cutting out a lot less, whether Hayden or Stoner were riding it. It is much more controllable without the need for electronics.

I know there is a myth that Stoner is only fast because of TC, but that is so much horseshit. If that was true, Melandri, Hayden, Kallio and Canepa/Espargaro would have been right behind him every weekend. They weren't.

I realize that this is not a popular opinion here or elsewhere, but I believe Casey Stoner is the fastest motorcycle racer on the planet. Now, there is a hsuge difference between being the fastest and the best, but it's a pretty good start.

I also wish that Dorna would let me put the post-session debriefs up online. It would give the fans a much better insight into what the riders are really like. Reading a transcription is not the same, it misses out on all of the inflections which indicate whether something is meant light-heartedly or not.

For the record, I am not a Stoner fan, any more than I'm a fan of Rossi, Hayden, Spies, Pedrosa, or Lorenzo. They are all astonishingly talented and dedicated riders, and worthy of our respect. That, of course, is a call which will fall on the deaf ears of fanboidom.
This sounds like a rational explanation for him previously being faster than other ducati riders by a greater margin than would seem reasonable, but I hope as a stoner fan leaves some room for him to find some sort of edge with the big bang engined bike as well; in the general run of things if on a more conventional bike he is fairly equivalent to hayden as the last test suggests may be a possibility rossi is very likely to win over a season even if he only has about equal raw pace.

Why won't they let reputable members of the motogp media report these briefings?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kropotkin @ Mar 7 2010, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I realize that this is not a popular opinion here or elsewhere, but I believe Casey Stoner is the fastest motorcycle racer on the planet.


No No thats fine to have such an opinion ........ thats a very popular opinion ....... well very popular with a minority of us anyway


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kropotkin @ Mar 7 2010, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What he does is find where the TC is cutting in at each corner, then back off a fraction at that corner next time round, until he is sliding the bike just at the point where the TC cuts in. The bike goes faster that way, both Stoner and Preziosi have explained, plus it uses less fuel, leaving more to burn later in the race.

If you look at his wrist, it looks like he is just pinning the throttle. He is, but at exactly the right point, just before the electronics take control. Standing up at Turn 13 at Valencia the difference was amazing: when Stoner came by you could hardly hear the TC at all; when Kallio came by it sounded like he'd just yanked a plug lead.


Now this might get me sooked at by the "crack addicts" on here , but again I think Stoners dirt track experience has very much enhanced his ability to do this.

With the exception that instead of it being used to fool TC it was a simillar manuever to get the back end letting loose and into a slide. ie, quick back off, then sharp open up of the throttle ( maybe not full throttle and the back end is out and you are just controlling the bike with power. Ok I know its not TC but any guy who has grown up using that technique will always find another use for it, andits in his "repertoir".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 8 2010, 12:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but I hope as a stoner fan leaves some room for him to find some sort of edge with the big bang engined bike as well;


Ditto, bit of a worry that.

I still see Stoner as a Brumby rider ...... just hope they haven't turned the Duc. into a dressage ride.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 7 2010, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now this might get me sooked at by the "crack addicts" on here , but again I think Stoners dirt track experience has very much enhanced his ability to do this.
I don't think anyone would disagree with that

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Mar 7 2010, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Woe id be careful saying that here mate. According to his fans here and some dubious reporting last year, stoner didn't use traction control on the 09 bike.


Sounds like you are running a bit more of that "dubious reporting" again this year too Rog.

If I recall correctly yourself and a few other boppers on here were saying he used the most TC ( whatever that means ) ........ with complete disregard to the fact that if he was it would be slowing him down to about the "other Duc. riders" speeds.

You boppers were reporting him to be running so much TC ( and borrowing some from Rossi ) that he would have been moving backwards

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 8 2010, 02:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think anyone would disagree with that

I don't get it? You don't disagree now


is it the crack speaking?

I would just add that I prefer to avoid the whole discussion about TC and who does what. Very little of it is rooted in any form of reality. I have even heard some of the most respected journalists in the world repeat things which they know to be rubbish, but accord with their own opinions on this subject.